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(CNN)   On this Fourth of July, celebrate America giving back 1,000 acres of stolen land to the Onondaga Nation but only after it was poisoned and destroyed by Honeywell   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-07-02 2:11:11 PM  
How do we know it wasn't that way when Honeywell found it?
 
2022-07-02 2:18:52 PM  
The article also mentions that several restoration projects are being worked on by Honeywell to fix it. Here's to hoping they actually follow through.
 
2022-07-02 2:20:46 PM  
They threw in some blankets.
 
2022-07-02 2:23:40 PM  
On a side note. Shouldn't reservations build apartments and rent to Americans? Then they get that cost of living difference? Like working in Austin and living in San Antonio
 
2022-07-02 2:26:33 PM  
1000 acres? How many casinos is that?
 
2022-07-02 2:27:41 PM  
Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.
 
2022-07-02 2:29:11 PM  
The reason for America's imminent collapse will be directly attributable to everything having been built on an Indian Burial Ground.
 
2022-07-02 2:30:49 PM  

Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.


I'll never understand why that is  Relevant? Same when people bring up slaves was sold by wining African tribes.
 
2022-07-02 2:31:28 PM  
farking Republicans.

(psst. This was back on the early 1800's)

Oh.

farking Democrats.

/the Aristocrats?
 
2022-07-02 2:34:31 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: The reason for America's imminent collapse will be directly attributable to everything having been built on an Indian Burial Ground.


Agrees.
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2022-07-02 2:36:11 PM  
America should just do what we do here in Canada: put up a little sign on all public buildings that basically reads "We acknowledge that this building is built on traditional <tribe> land. <other platitudes, carefully omitting the implied 'and they're not getting it back' deal>" and be done with it.
 
2022-07-02 2:36:28 PM  
Why bother. Now it doesn't have to be designated as a superfund cleanup site and we'll let casino money pay for it.
 
2022-07-02 2:38:37 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 1000 acres? How many casinos is that?


I'm not sure but it seems to me there should be about 25 mules involved in this transaction
 
2022-07-02 2:47:08 PM  
That's on brand. Let them "have" the land until they find valuable minerals
 
2022-07-02 2:50:31 PM  
It's tragic what Honeywell, Allied and Solvay Process did to Onondaga Lake. At one point in the early 1990s it was considered the most polluted lake in America according to the US Army Corps of Engineers. There was a layer of industrial waste sludge 50 feet thick on the lake bottom near the factories. Swimming has been banned in the lake since 1940 and fishing since 1970. It used to stink up the whole area. There have been efforts to clean the lake with some degree of success but it's a long way from being clean.
 
2022-07-02 2:50:54 PM  
These gestures are meaningless and hollow. If you can't deal with the guilt of benefitting from the horrible actions of the US government and early settlers...leave. Anything short of the US disbanding and letting the Native tribes take control is inadequate.

And even if you did get the US government to disband itself, that's just returning what was stolen. It doesn't make up for the hundreds of years we benefitted, it doesn't restore all the lives taken, it doesn't correct the multi-generational abuses.

You'd have to give back the land *AND THEN* do a whole lot more. Maybe you could stick around and promise to work as an indentured servant for the rest of your days.

What was done was awful. It can't be fixed. Deal with it, or don't.
 
2022-07-02 2:52:11 PM  

waxbeans: Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.

I'll never understand why that is  Relevant?


Because if they gained their land by right of conquest then losing it through conquest that is perfectly fair and there is no reason to return anything to them.
 
2022-07-02 2:57:50 PM  
Fark the Fourth of July.
 
2022-07-02 2:58:13 PM  
We broke this, so you can have it.
 
2022-07-02 2:58:26 PM  

trialpha: America should just do what we do here in Canada: put up a little sign on all public buildings that basically reads "We acknowledge that this building is built on traditional <tribe> land. <other platitudes, carefully omitting the implied 'and they're not getting it back' deal>" and be done with it.


There's a sign about a half mile from my house saying-- "this is the border to the Cherokee nation as agreed in 17xx". The Jackson gave the Cherokee  marching orders about 50 years later. It is no longer the border of the Cherokee nation.
 
2022-07-02 2:59:10 PM  
And this year's Liar of the Year Award goes to Donald Trump, the presenter.
 
2022-07-02 3:06:54 PM  

Iowan73: We broke this, so you can have it.


It's just like having a sibling.
 
2022-07-02 3:19:51 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: These gestures are meaningless and hollow. If you can't deal with the guilt of benefitting from the horrible actions of the US government and early settlers...leave. Anything short of the US disbanding and letting the Native tribes take control is inadequate.

And even if you did get the US government to disband itself, that's just returning what was stolen. It doesn't make up for the hundreds of years we benefitted, it doesn't restore all the lives taken, it doesn't correct the multi-generational abuses.

You'd have to give back the land *AND THEN* do a whole lot more. Maybe you could stick around and promise to work as an indentured servant for the rest of your days.

What was done was awful. It can't be fixed. Deal with it, or don't.


And migrate 330 million people to...?
 
2022-07-02 3:21:54 PM  

Klyukva: waxbeans: Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.

I'll never understand why that is  Relevant?

Because if they gained their land by right of conquest then losing it through conquest that is perfectly fair and there is no reason to return anything to them.


Outside of the treaties that is.
 
2022-07-02 3:22:04 PM  
Systemic genocide
 
2022-07-02 3:22:22 PM  
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2022-07-02 3:26:58 PM  

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Shouldn't they have used Captain Ivan Drago's body? Also wasn't Rock the underdog? Trump has never been the underdog.  He's a privileged pos.
 
2022-07-02 3:31:52 PM  
It doesn't sound like it was a very desirable piece of land to start with if Honeywell was using it as a toxic waste dump.  Good for the Indians! Hopefully, they can get it all cleaned up and nice again.
 
2022-07-02 3:35:16 PM  
"The Nation hopes that this cooperative, government-to-government effort"

well played, chief.
 
2022-07-02 3:36:53 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 1000 acres? How many casinos is that?


As an aside, not all Nations have a casino, just about 4 in 10.
 
2022-07-02 3:45:54 PM  
Dewey Fidalgo:

Your comment isn't an "aside" , it's just a plain old everyday response.  Happy 4th of July!!!!
 
2022-07-02 3:47:25 PM  
In a few generations, when they've built up immunity, they'll thank us.

Like that Kansas album cover.  Native Americans, wearing space helmets, under a broken overpass thanking their gods that white is finally gone.
 
2022-07-02 3:47:43 PM  
CSB: My parents used to own a house right on Onondaga lake, and still live in the area...my older son is just getting to the age that, while he can't read the words yet, can see that there are a LOT of signs and banners on/around the Thruway passing through Seneca territory when we drive up there and has started to ask.  That's when, as a parent, I need to start explaining some big concepts of Reservations, empty government promises and genocide...
 
2022-07-02 3:52:19 PM  

waxbeans: Also wasn't Rock the underdog? Trump has never been the underdog.  He's a privileged pos.


So they were unintentionally accurate. At the beginning of Rocky 3, the movie the poster is from, Rock is the Champion and turned into an entitled sellout. He also is unknowingly crooked, fighting just ringers. He gets soft and gets his ass kicked by Biden. But for this analogy to continue, Hillary's going to have to come in and help Trump train to win back the title.
 
2022-07-02 3:55:12 PM  
Honeywell Manufacturing, a subsidiary of Kitten Tote Global Defense Technologies.
 
2022-07-02 3:58:20 PM  

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2022-07-02 4:11:44 PM  

Dinjiin: Jeff Van Fooks: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Doesn't that seem quaint now...
 
2022-07-02 4:13:24 PM  
Endeavor to persevere.
 
2022-07-02 4:18:27 PM  

Dinjiin: Jeff Van Fooks: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Every accusation is a confession.
 
2022-07-02 4:21:10 PM  

BlazeTrailer: Klyukva: waxbeans: Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.

I'll never understand why that is  Relevant?

Because if they gained their land by right of conquest then losing it through conquest that is perfectly fair and there is no reason to return anything to them.

Outside of the treaties that is.


"treaties" lol
 
2022-07-02 4:36:32 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: These gestures are meaningless and hollow. If you can't deal with the guilt of benefitting from the horrible actions of the US government and early settlers...leave. Anything short of the US disbanding and letting the Native tribes take control is inadequate.

And even if you did get the US government to disband itself, that's just returning what was stolen. It doesn't make up for the hundreds of years we benefitted, it doesn't restore all the lives taken, it doesn't correct the multi-generational abuses.

You'd have to give back the land *AND THEN* do a whole lot more. Maybe you could stick around and promise to work as an indentured servant for the rest of your days.

What was done was awful. It can't be fixed. Deal with it, or don't.


Humans stole the land from the mastadons, we should make it up to them
 
2022-07-02 4:38:59 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Fark the Fourth of July.


It's a celebration of a piece of paper getting signed. No reason to get all worked up about it
 
2022-07-02 5:06:34 PM  
Honeywell, which operated several manufacturing plants in Onondaga County, is currently working on several of those restoration programs, including grassland restoration, preservation of wetland habitat, and improvement of public services like hiking trails and a public boat ramp, says the Department of Interior.

How white of them.
 
2022-07-02 5:10:29 PM  

Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.


This is where the assholes step into the thread.
If I and my roommate are arguing/fighting in our house, you don't have the right to come into our house from next door and get involved.

People have fought among themselves since the species began. They are still fighting in Europe. Their entire history is fighting, including two world wars. They never really stopped. They just decided to drag their issues all over the planet, and now their descendants "whatabout" to try and justify their ancestors sins.
 
2022-07-02 5:20:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: These gestures are meaningless and hollow. If you can't deal with the guilt of benefitting from the horrible actions of the US government and early settlers...leave. Anything short of the US disbanding and letting the Native tribes take control is inadequate.

And even if you did get the US government to disband itself, that's just returning what was stolen. It doesn't make up for the hundreds of years we benefitted, it doesn't restore all the lives taken, it doesn't correct the multi-generational abuses.

You'd have to give back the land *AND THEN* do a whole lot more. Maybe you could stick around and promise to work as an indentured servant for the rest of your days.

What was done was awful. It can't be fixed. Deal with it, or don't.


I'm trying but no one wants me due to the US immigrantion and tax laws.
 
2022-07-02 5:27:30 PM  
what happens,
when we give the entire nation to the native guys,
and then find out the Irish were here before them ??
 
2022-07-02 5:27:55 PM  

Uck The SJWs: Dewey Fidalgo:

Your comment isn't an "aside" , it's just a plain old everyday response.  Happy 4th of July!!!!


Great another grammar nazi alt
 
2022-07-02 5:33:32 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: In a few generations, when they've built up immunity, they'll thank us.

Like that Kansas album cover.  Native Americans, wearing space helmets, under a broken overpass thanking their gods that white is finally gone.


^^How to tell that a farker is old as hell, and has bad taste in music ^^
 
2022-07-02 5:34:50 PM  

rewind2846: Dadoody: Whatever. They avenged the other Indians that were wiped out by that tribe.

This is where the assholes step into the thread.
If I and my roommate are arguing/fighting in our house, you don't have the right to come into our house from next door and get involved.

People have fought among themselves since the species began. They are still fighting in Europe. Their entire history is fighting, including two world wars. They never really stopped. They just decided to drag their issues all over the planet, and now their descendants "whatabout" to try and justify their ancestors sins.


Yeah.   I try to explain just how long the first peoples of the Americas have been here (and even longer in Beringia).  Gobekli Tepe, which all kinds of wonderful, not taking that away, didn't come until 1000s of years after the First people arrived in the Americas.   Long gone, separated, new lands, etc.   At least 3000 years  before Gobekli Tepe (add another 10K if you include Beringia).   Roughly contemporary with the famous Lascaux cave paintings in France, (c> 17K).

Though, the Aboriginal Australians have us beat hands down, in terms of "being the first".
 
2022-07-02 5:40:55 PM  

Weidbrewer: CSB: My parents used to own a house right on Onondaga lake, and still live in the area...my older son is just getting to the age that, while he can't read the words yet, can see that there are a LOT of signs and banners on/around the Thruway passing through Seneca territory when we drive up there and has started to ask.  That's when, as a parent, I need to start explaining some big concepts of Reservations, empty government promises and genocide...


No, you don't
 
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