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(Al Jazeera)   Day 129 of WW3: US sending Ukraine 2 NASAMS surface-to-air missile systems, four more counter-artillery radars and up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition. It's your Saturday Ukraine war discussion   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2022-07-02 6:11:50 AM  
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2022-07-02 6:59:58 AM  
The word of the day is: BONUS.

As in: The Bofors 155mm BONUS round is lethal to armor.
 
2022-07-02 7:10:58 AM  

Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?
 
2022-07-02 7:11:45 AM  
Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear
 
2022-07-02 7:17:36 AM  

johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?


How would Russia even know?
 
2022-07-02 7:18:25 AM  

johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?


F117 are a strategic asset. Good for knocking out a single high value target deep in enemy territory. Unless Ukraine plans on starting an offensive operation in Russia itself it's really not useful
 
2022-07-02 7:20:32 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear


Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).
 
2022-07-02 7:24:50 AM  
 
2022-07-02 7:26:09 AM  

GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).


F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that
 
2022-07-02 7:29:47 AM  
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2022-07-02 7:36:09 AM  

Subtle_Canary: GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).

F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that


What? Saying something positive about the F-35 in a Fark military thread?

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2022-07-02 7:43:00 AM  
I'm tired of this*, let's just send Ukraine some nukes and get this all wrapped up.


*life on earth
 
2022-07-02 7:45:27 AM  
Ukraine-Russia war live news: Russia says hit Ukraine army sites


Russia redirected its artillery and missiles from agricultural and civilian to military targets today.
 
2022-07-02 7:45:58 AM  

Subtle_Canary: GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).

F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that


Shut up about the F-35
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yup
 
2022-07-02 7:47:24 AM  

Halfabee64: Ukraine-Russia war live news: Russia says hit Ukraine army sites


Russia redirected its artillery and missiles from agricultural and civilian to military targets today.


Yes, but given the Russian's proficiency and general perverse inclinations it probably wasn't on purpose
 
2022-07-02 7:48:19 AM  
Here is an article that explains the artillery system.  I would add Russia has the advantage in mass, Ukraine in accuracy.  Also, if you compare the number of artillery systems the Russians had at the beginning of the war, and the number that have since been destroyed, the situation is not as desperate as the article suggests, but it is still a huge obstacle for Ukraine.  

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/how_much_the_russian_artillery_outnumbers_ukraines_in_density_and_amount_of_systems-3260.html#:~:text=By%202021%2C%20the%20Russian%20army%20had%20at%20its,is%202%20to%201%20towards%20the%20russian%20army.
 
2022-07-02 7:50:37 AM  

johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

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Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?


We stopped using the F-117 because the Russians figured out how to find them on Radar back in the 1990s and helped the Serbs shoot one down.  Once the Radar was compromised, the F-117 lost its survivability, as it really did not have anything else going for it.
 
2022-07-02 7:52:40 AM  

winedrinkingman: Also, if you compare the number of artillery systems the Russians had at the beginning of the war, and the number that have since been destroyed, the situation is not as desperate as the article suggests, but it is still a huge obstacle for Ukraine.  

.


I would also suggest that destroying ~800 artillery systems probably implies that most of the experienced operators have been blowed up real good as well, but I guess they haven't really been aiming those things anyway so it might not make that much of a difference.
 
2022-07-02 7:57:10 AM  

johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

[Fark user image 850x243]

Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?


The F-117 is actually a bomber. It can't attack other aircraft.
 
2022-07-02 7:57:40 AM  

Ambitwistor: Subtle_Canary: GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).

F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that

What? Saying something positive about the F-35 in a Fark military thread?

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Getting a kick because I'm literally watching Emperor Text-To-Speech right now
 
2022-07-02 7:58:31 AM  

incendi: winedrinkingman: Also, if you compare the number of artillery systems the Russians had at the beginning of the war, and the number that have since been destroyed, the situation is not as desperate as the article suggests, but it is still a huge obstacle for Ukraine.  

.

I would also suggest that destroying ~800 artillery systems probably implies that most of the experienced operators have been blowed up real good as well, but I guess they haven't really been aiming those things anyway so it might not make that much of a difference.


That is probably an excellent point.  As much as Russia has anything like an experienced artilleryman, most of them are probably dead.  Each gun probably had at least someone who knew what the hell they were doing, and each battery probably had an officer who at least could do some math to get the shell traveling in the right direction.  Those guys are going to be hard to replace.
 
2022-07-02 8:02:42 AM  

Halfabee64: Ukraine-Russia war live news: Russia says hit Ukraine army sites


Russia redirected its artillery and missiles from agricultural and civilian to military targets today.


Or maybe they were aiming for an elementary school and accidentally hit a military site.
 
2022-07-02 8:06:12 AM  

Zeroth Law: johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

[Fark user image 850x243]

Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?

The F-117 is actually a bomber. It can't attack other aircraft.


It was also a flying brick that required the pilot to fight to keep it in the air. The thing wasn't designed to fly.
 
2022-07-02 8:08:05 AM  

Subtle_Canary: F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now.


shhh...you can't say that in here.
 
2022-07-02 8:09:18 AM  

Decorus: Zeroth Law: johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

[Fark user image 850x243]

Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?

The F-117 is actually a bomber. It can't attack other aircraft.

It was also a flying brick that required the pilot to fight to keep it in the air. The thing wasn't designed to fly.


And also, long since discontinued.
 
2022-07-02 8:09:51 AM  

Subtle_Canary: GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).

F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that


Yeah, finally, but the idea was still stupid, one basic plane for all roles, and it went wayyyyyy over budget
 
2022-07-02 8:13:17 AM  
Sending NASAM systems to Ukraine?

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I guess Königsberg & Raytheon wanted some live fire testing.

/NTTIAWWT
 
2022-07-02 8:13:28 AM  
They really need more anti artillery/missile equipment, Russia is doing the most damage with those weapons (despite Farkers constantly repeating that Ukraine destroyed most of their heavy weapons).
 
2022-07-02 8:13:29 AM  

baka-san: Yeah, finally, but the idea was still stupid, one basic plane for all roles, and it went wayyyyyy over budget


See F-4 Phantom.
 
2022-07-02 8:16:48 AM  

winedrinkingman: incendi: winedrinkingman: Also, if you compare the number of artillery systems the Russians had at the beginning of the war, and the number that have since been destroyed, the situation is not as desperate as the article suggests, but it is still a huge obstacle for Ukraine.  

.

I would also suggest that destroying ~800 artillery systems probably implies that most of the experienced operators have been blowed up real good as well, but I guess they haven't really been aiming those things anyway so it might not make that much of a difference.

That is probably an excellent point.  As much as Russia has anything like an experienced artilleryman, most of them are probably dead.  Each gun probably had at least someone who knew what the hell they were doing, and each battery probably had an officer who at least could do some math to get the shell traveling in the right direction.  Those guys are going to be hard to replace.


Again, as opposed to the west.

It isn't hard to read a manual.  Check a table.  Do a couple of quick calculations, even if you have to use a calc for some of the weirder shiat.  Ta-DA!  (Yes, I am over simplifying)..

At least for a country with decent edumucation.

Can the average Russian farm boy they are conscripting even read?
 
2022-07-02 8:19:06 AM  

Decorus: Zeroth Law: johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

[Fark user image 850x243]

Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?

The F-117 is actually a bomber. It can't attack other aircraft.

It was also a flying brick that required the pilot to fight to keep it in the air. The thing wasn't designed to fly.


Err... I'd say it required the computer doing the thousand of changes to it's flight profile a bit more important than the pilot...  But yes, flying brick.  Damn thing had the aerodynamics of a badly made paper plane.
 
2022-07-02 8:24:53 AM  

GrogSmash: Decorus: Zeroth Law: johnphantom: Harlee: [Fark user image 850x850]

[Fark user image 850x243]

Of those aircraft shot down there are supposed to be 3 Su-25 "Frogfoot" shot down. I was just remembering about playing the original Microprose F-19 Stealth Fighter Simulator and taking those down because they were so slow and easy. They are ground support and sub sonic. I know simulators are not reality, but can't we loan/sell to the Ukrainians a couple F-117s at this point?

The F-117 is actually a bomber. It can't attack other aircraft.

It was also a flying brick that required the pilot to fight to keep it in the air. The thing wasn't designed to fly.

Err... I'd say it required the computer doing the thousand of changes to it's flight profile a bit more important than the pilot...  But yes, flying brick.  Damn thing had the aerodynamics of a badly made paper plane.


They only put the F in front of the number so pilots would actually want to fly it.
 
2022-07-02 8:27:15 AM  
 
2022-07-02 8:28:23 AM  
 
2022-07-02 8:29:08 AM  

Tracianne: Ukraine Weapons Tracker
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#Ukraine: A Russian tank turret attempted to become a satellite after being hit by Ukrainian fire.

boom


Nothing like a good tossing to start the day
 
2022-07-02 8:31:21 AM  

baka-san: F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that

Yeah, finally, but the idea was still stupid, one basic plane for all roles, and it went wayyyyyy over budget


The original design requirements were fine. Then a bunch of idiots in the Pentagram and Congress kept demanding new capabilities far outside the original design parameters. Most of the wasted money was spent building those new capabilities, then realizing most of them actually didn't work properly or actively degraded the platform's original mission capability. The Air Force tried to order just the versions of the F-35 they wanted, but Congress told them 'No'. Production started (in order to meet quotas for allied nations) while the builders were still trying to make sure the on-board pizza oven didn't fry the avionics (sarcasm, for those not sure).

Congress finally stopped interfering once a couple of the foreign buyers only ordered the same version the Air Force wanted (F-35A/B). The USAF was then allowed to get their version produced, and the USN and USMC stuck with the 'pizza oven' versions. Last I'd heard, all the foreign buyers are happy with their purchases, and are ordering more.

Slagging on the US military-industrial complex is almost always justified (definitely is in this case), but those foreign military buyers won't buy crap that doesn't work. F-35 is being purchased to replace F/A-18s in a couple of countries, so those buyers seem to think F-35 is a good platform.
 
2022-07-02 8:33:15 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: baka-san: Yeah, finally, but the idea was still stupid, one basic plane for all roles, and it went wayyyyyy over budget

See F-4 Phantom.


....The F-4 started out as a USN attack bird, with a basic air-to-air capability and no multi-service role intended.  Robert MacNamara decided that it was a good idea to make USAF use it as well - the F-100/104 were getting a little long in the tooth and needed replacement, the -101, -102 and -106 were dedicated interceptors, and the -105 was a bomber with an 'F' series number to fool the politicians (see also the F-111, F-117, and F-35).  It was only extreme good fortune that the F-4 turned out to be so adaptable, not design or intention.
 
2022-07-02 8:34:12 AM  
 
2022-07-02 8:34:14 AM  

Wenchmaster: baka-san: F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that

Yeah, finally, but the idea was still stupid, one basic plane for all roles, and it went wayyyyyy over budget

The original design requirements were fine. Then a bunch of idiots in the Pentagram and Congress kept demanding new capabilities far outside the original design parameters. Most of the wasted money was spent building those new capabilities, then realizing most of them actually didn't work properly or actively degraded the platform's original mission capability. The Air Force tried to order just the versions of the F-35 they wanted, but Congress told them 'No'. Production started (in order to meet quotas for allied nations) while the builders were still trying to make sure the on-board pizza oven didn't fry the avionics (sarcasm, for those not sure).

Congress finally stopped interfering once a couple of the foreign buyers only ordered the same version the Air Force wanted (F-35A/B). The USAF was then allowed to get their version produced, and the USN and USMC stuck with the 'pizza oven' versions. Last I'd heard, all the foreign buyers are happy with their purchases, and are ordering more.

Slagging on the US military-industrial complex is almost always justified (definitely is in this case), but those foreign military buyers won't buy crap that doesn't work. F-35 is being purchased to replace F/A-18s in a couple of countries, so those buyers seem to think F-35 is a good platform.


I mean the Marine Corps wanted V-TOL F-35. I'm still trying to figure out the moron General who thought hey lets cut out a chunk of the fuel tank so we can get a shiny V-TOL F-35 was a good idea.
 
2022-07-02 8:41:03 AM  
The war will change drastically as soon as Ukraine has a longer artillery range than Russia.  Is that in the pipeline?
 
2022-07-02 8:42:25 AM  
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2022-07-02 8:44:06 AM  

Halfabee64: Ukraine-Russia war live news: Russia says hit Ukraine army sites


Russia redirected its artillery and missiles from agricultural and civilian to military targets today.


It's funny that Russia acts as though anyone else is happy for their victories. Half the world despises them and wants to see their people die in agony, and
the other half is politically indifferent to the war while likely being personally disgusted with Russia's disregard for non-combatants.
 
2022-07-02 8:45:01 AM  

Unsung_Hero: The war will change drastically as soon as Ukraine has a longer artillery range than Russia.  Is that in the pipeline?


I'm pretty sure they already have some longer ranged artillery then Russia. Its more about quantity then range at this point.
 
2022-07-02 8:46:23 AM  
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2022-07-02 8:51:39 AM  

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#Ukraine: This Russian BMP IFV performed an unorthodox turret toss after being hit by Ukrainian AT weapons.

kaboom!


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2022-07-02 8:53:17 AM  

Subtle_Canary: GrogSmash: thatboyoverthere: Russia is finding out how world war 3 would have gone if it didn't go nuclear

Amazing what happens when the friends of the political party don't rob the country blind.  And you have a proper chain of command.  And when you have proper NCOs.  And when you have a properly trained army, not some hick you just hauled off a field and handed a (60yr old) rifle to.  And when the 'President for Life' doesn't try to run the farking campaign for the generals, because he is trying to die a great hero of the people.  And when there has been investment in tech (see point 1).  And when you (a) have allies, (b) they allies are willing to honour agreements, and (c) your allies are as advanced as you are, at least in certain areas.

I believe the list of "Ands" could continue for quite a while.

Mind you, in the US it's the politicians and MIC that's doing the stealing, but at least there is some damned good tech coming out of it, most of the time (F-35s and Litoral class ships excepted from said statement).

F35 is actually a really capable aircraft that has been proving itself for awhile now. Oddly enough, now that all the RT money has been cut off, you don't see all the fake hate pieces for it coming out every other week. Funny that


well, maybe. I just googled F35 to reacquaint myself with its image, and this story came up.
Followed by a lot of stories about how awesome the latest Russian military tech is. LoL
 
2022-07-02 8:56:32 AM  

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Yes Zelenskyy is still alive!!! And so is VHTS!!! Yay.
 
2022-07-02 8:58:25 AM  
I've been watching the Grim Reapers YT channel for a time, and they like to run simulations using DCS. They just posted a video simulating a NASAMS battery against varying amounts of incoming Russian cruise missiles.  It's just a sim, but the NASAMS units did really well.  One interesting thing they said is that the NASAMS are basically a surface-to-air repackaging of AMRAAM  air-to-air missiles.   Less costly, less R&D.  Kinda cool.
 
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