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(CNBC)   WHO says monkeypox cases have tripled in Europe over the past two weeks. WHY is this happening? WHAT can be done about it? I DON'T KNOW   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2022-07-01 11:26:33 PM  
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2022-07-01 11:54:30 PM  
First base
 
2022-07-02 3:27:22 AM  
Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!
 
2022-07-02 3:28:23 AM  
Why? I'll tell you why:

We've pissed the planet the fark off.
 
2022-07-02 3:30:37 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


I been moved on to dolphins
 
2022-07-02 3:32:14 AM  
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2022-07-02 3:37:12 AM  
I Don't Know is the team manager.
 
2022-07-02 3:43:29 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


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2022-07-02 3:53:16 AM  

Richard Freckle: First base


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2022-07-02 3:54:42 AM  
Third base
 
2022-07-02 4:00:32 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


What makes it so good?
 
2022-07-02 4:02:14 AM  

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Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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2022-07-02 4:12:06 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!

I been moved on to dolphins


Like dogs, dolphins will hump pretty much anything that moves. Unlike dogs, they don't have the excuse of domestication and redirected instincts to blame. They're the rapists of the sea. Or the human-dolphin lab. You know, whatever. You can give a dolphin a handy, but you can't keep it in a bank.
 
2022-07-02 4:13:22 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!

I been moved on to dolphins


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No, the hole doesn't blow it. That's just what it's called.

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I have to go.
 
2022-07-02 4:18:58 AM  

My Sober Alt: johnny_vegas: [i1.wp.com image 464x530]

Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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Without Googling it, do you know what a proper, Gordie Howe hat trick is ?
/Just curious is all :)
 
2022-07-02 4:19:18 AM  
Monkeyjocks?

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Here come the grannies!
 
2022-07-02 4:20:25 AM  

Skeleton Man: Why? I'll tell you why:

We've pissed the planet the fark off.


If the spread of diseases were an accurate measure of the ire of Mother Nature, she must've mellowed out tremendously these past couple of centuries.
 
2022-07-02 4:24:16 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


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2022-07-02 4:29:39 AM  

FutherMucker: My Sober Alt: johnny_vegas: [i1.wp.com image 464x530]

Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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Without Googling it, do you know what a proper, Gordie Howe hat trick is ?
/Just curious is all :)


Without Google, I would have guessed this:

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/I had to google it - I did not know.
 
2022-07-02 4:42:48 AM  

My Sober Alt: FutherMucker: My Sober Alt: johnny_vegas: [i1.wp.com image 464x530]

Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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Without Googling it, do you know what a proper, Gordie Howe hat trick is ?
/Just curious is all :)

Without Google, I would have guessed this:

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/I had to google it - I did not know.

It's kinda' cool. I still hear some of the announcers from other teams calling it the Gordie Howe hat trick. That's respect.

 
2022-07-02 5:23:33 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


... and this is why the WHO is considering renaming monkey pox.

Although it was first discovered in a lab monkey, the main animal vector is believed to be some kind of rodent, not monkeys. I.e. you catch it from working outdoors somewhere that rats (or whatever the rodent is) have been. (And then there's human to human transmission).

/Pizza Rat deserves to get some credit here
//Though it would be hard to beat rattus norvegicus' previous hit, the Black Death.
 
2022-07-02 5:28:14 AM  
There's a bit of a case of the government worrying about the wrong thing here.

Apparently, one of the main reasons the US government has invested in smallpox drugs and treatments was concern about terrorists releasing smallpox.

Terrorists weren't the problem. The population of infected wild animals was the problem. (Rodents for monkeypox, bats for covid19).
 
2022-07-02 5:32:25 AM  

Skeleton Man: Why? I'll tell you why:

We've pissed the planet the fark off.


I don't know if you (but I assume you do) or the others here (I assume they don't) know exactly how correct you are and why. I could deep dive the science but I prefer a more esoteric explanation. Gaia has an infection that is killing her and she developed a badass fever to kill it off. She's sending all her immune cells at it.
We're the farked parasite and our best hope is a madman with a steel rocket.
Because our options are destruction or escape.
 
2022-07-02 5:32:48 AM  
"Damn you, sexy monkeys!"
 
2022-07-02 5:42:08 AM  
Plague rats not wearing their masks?
 
2022-07-02 5:42:10 AM  
Shut it all down like they did for COVID?
 
2022-07-02 5:52:08 AM  
Google "Malthusian deadlock" and people might start to understand what's going on.

Overgeneralization, though: When an ecosystem has too many of one organism, what's known as a decline of faunal richness, there's an imbalance that has to be corrected. It's not a conscious correction, of course, but if one species or genus is taking up too much of the air/water/resources then it crowds out the others. There are pruning mechanisms that trim back that organism in a naturally regulated system.

One of the easiest to see is the bubonic plague/flea/rat system. The plague bacillus lives normally in the gut of X. cheopis which lives on rodents around Asia. A few rats occasionally die of plague, but not enough to trigger a mass die off. However, when something happens to trigger an explosion in the rat population (which happens about every 11 years, its tied to sunspot activity for unclear reasons) then the number of fleas increases exponentially, as do the amount of plague bacilli. More rats die of plague, and the entire colony collapses. A few survive or flee to restart new colonies, and the cycle begins again. Plague acts as a mechanism to contain the rat population that would otherwise increase beyond normal predator control in these explosion years.

Rabies works the same way in apex predator populations. Nothing else controls coyote populations, but when there are too many in one place, rabies becomes epidemic and kills just about all of them except for a few isolated animals, reducing numbers to manageable amounts.

Well, nothing has been trimming humans back since we got rid of smallpox and controlled all the other diseases that used to keep our numbers in check. Warfare doesn't kill the people who are responsible for breeding--to control populations, men are expendable and children are replaceable. To bring numbers down, breeding age females have to be eliminated, and that means epidemic disease is the only way nature can do it.

Humans have outstripped the carrying capacity of Earth a couple times over; and now we've reached a point where we can't readily expand it again. We did it before when we tamed fire and could cook bacteria out of food, and when we invented agriculture to increase the number of people we could feed off a plot of land; now we're up against pulling water out of nowhere. That's kind of the limit. Less people, or more water; and nature might be making that decision for us.
 
2022-07-02 7:06:33 AM  
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/i'unno, it was in the headline
 
2022-07-02 7:28:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Google "Malthusian deadlock" and people might start to understand what's going on.


I can see that you love to babble, and I'd probably enjoy sharing your drugs. However, Malthus has been proven wrong again, and again, and again, and you'd get tired of how many times I need to keep writing "again".

As usual, the Earth isn't even slightly running out of resources. We could manage a much higher human population. However, advancements in technology generally mean that the population has started declining in many countries, because you don't need to have lots of children to labor for you, and you don't have to worry that half of your children are going to die young. This is a kinda exciting problem in itself but, not the same one.

Your one child is really not going to be able to support all of his older relatives when they stop working. Meanwhile, many countries are too xenophobic to support pulling in the immigrants that they so desperately need.
 
2022-07-02 8:02:25 AM  
HOW does one catch monkeypox? WHERE did I put my keys?
 
2022-07-02 8:06:58 AM  

FutherMucker: My Sober Alt: johnny_vegas: [i1.wp.com image 464x530]

Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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Without Googling it, do you know what a proper, Gordie Howe hat trick is ?
/Just curious is all :)


Howe came unglued?
 
2022-07-02 8:40:35 AM  

Cormee: Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!

What makes it so good?


It is some prime mating.
 
2022-07-02 9:22:38 AM  

Richard Freckle: First base


Third.
 
2022-07-02 9:54:21 AM  

Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!


Family Guy Quagmire - Sexy Monkeys
Youtube n8uv2-edaEk
 
2022-07-02 10:17:18 AM  

lizaardvark: I can see that you love to babble, and I'd probably enjoy sharing your drugs. However, Malthus has been proven wrong again, and again, and again, and you'd get tired of how many times I need to keep writing "again".


So the entire thought experiment goes out the window just because the guy was born a little while before we figured out how useful petroleum was? Seriously? Talk about babbling... 🤦
 
2022-07-02 10:38:23 AM  

lizaardvark: Gyrfalcon: Google "Malthusian deadlock" and people might start to understand what's going on.

I can see that you love to babble, and I'd probably enjoy sharing your drugs. However, Malthus has been proven wrong again, and again, and again, and you'd get tired of how many times I need to keep writing "again".

As usual, the Earth isn't even slightly running out of resources. We could manage a much higher human population. However, advancements in technology generally mean that the population has started declining in many countries, because you don't need to have lots of children to labor for you, and you don't have to worry that half of your children are going to die young. This is a kinda exciting problem in itself but, not the same one.

Your one child is really not going to be able to support all of his older relatives when they stop working. Meanwhile, many countries are too xenophobic to support pulling in the immigrants that they so desperately need.


Run your calculations again for the rate of sustainable resource extraction.

You say we're not running out of resources. History shows a long pattern of nearly or entirely wiping out a resource - whales, bison, passenger pigeons, Newfoundland cod, and so on. People have been able to find some overall replacement (e.g. petroleum for whale oil), but you can't deny that those specific resources have run out.

See also: glaciers, groundwater, topsoil depth. Measure them 100 years ago, measure them today, and tell me whether or not anything is running out. Then flip it around and look at how we're filling the ecosystem up with pollutants (CO2, mercury, microplastics, etc). Fertilizer - we can make as much of the nitrogen stuff as we want (enough to poison the oceans with runoff) but phosphorus is mined.

Your statement "we could manage a much higher human population" is probably true, but only in a scenario out of some science-fiction novel. That could follow either a utopian or dystopian path, but in either case it would not be just more of the same shiat we are doing today.

Recalculate the planet's carrying capacity based on a sustainable lifestyle, one which could support a constant-sized human population at the same (or better) standard of living for another 10,000 years. You are allowed to assume expanded deployment of existing technology like PV solar but can't appeal to stuff like fusion power which hasn't yet made it to reality.
 
2022-07-02 10:42:35 AM  
Seriously, claiming Malthus was wrong is like saying peak oil is wrong because someone found more oil or came up with better technology. That's just dumb, and it illustrates how little the person making the claim understands the concept. There are still fundamental limits to carrying capacity regardless of technology, you can't beat physics by hand-waving them away.
 
2022-07-02 11:10:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Google "Malthusian deadlock" and people might start to understand what's going on.

Overgeneralization, though: When an ecosystem has too many of one organism, what's known as a decline of faunal richness, there's an imbalance that has to be corrected. It's not a conscious correction, of course, but if one species or genus is taking up too much of the air/water/resources then it crowds out the others. There are pruning mechanisms that trim back that organism in a naturally regulated system.

One of the easiest to see is the bubonic plague/flea/rat system. The plague bacillus lives normally in the gut of X. cheopis which lives on rodents around Asia. A few rats occasionally die of plague, but not enough to trigger a mass die off. However, when something happens to trigger an explosion in the rat population (which happens about every 11 years, its tied to sunspot activity for unclear reasons) then the number of fleas increases exponentially, as do the amount of plague bacilli. More rats die of plague, and the entire colony collapses. A few survive or flee to restart new colonies, and the cycle begins again. Plague acts as a mechanism to contain the rat population that would otherwise increase beyond normal predator control in these explosion years.

Rabies works the same way in apex predator populations. Nothing else controls coyote populations, but when there are too many in one place, rabies becomes epidemic and kills just about all of them except for a few isolated animals, reducing numbers to manageable amounts.

Well, nothing has been trimming humans back since we got rid of smallpox and controlled all the other diseases that used to keep our numbers in check. Warfare doesn't kill the people who are responsible for breeding--to control populations, men are expendable and children are replaceable. To bring numbers down, breeding age females have to be eliminated, and that means epidemic disease is the only way nature can do it.

Humans have outstripped the carrying capacity of Earth a couple times over; and now we've reached a point where we can't readily expand it again. We did it before when we tamed fire and could cook bacteria out of food, and when we invented agriculture to increase the number of people we could feed off a plot of land; now we're up against pulling water out of nowhere. That's kind of the limit. Less people, or more water; and nature might be making that decision for us.


Sunspot activity?  Are you sure it's not batboy?
 
2022-07-02 11:24:49 AM  

FutherMucker: My Sober Alt: johnny_vegas: [i1.wp.com image 464x530]

Howe ya' doin', Chief?

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Without Googling it, do you know what a proper, Gordie Howe hat trick is?
/Just curious is all :)


A goal, an assist, and a fight. What hockey fan doesn't know that?
 
2022-07-02 12:44:10 PM  
Ecce Mono!

Wasn't the WHO planning on changing the name of this disease?
 
2022-07-02 4:06:06 PM  

SusanY: Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!

... and this is why the WHO is considering renaming monkey pox.

Although it was first discovered in a lab monkey, the main animal vector is believed to be some kind of rodent, not monkeys. I.e. you catch it from working outdoors somewhere that rats (or whatever the rodent is) have been. (And then there's human to human transmission).

/Pizza Rat deserves to get some credit here
//Though it would be hard to beat rattus norvegicus' previous hit, the Black Death.


NYC and DC are farked.
 
2022-07-02 10:56:20 PM  

SusanY: Ghastly: Can we all just agree to stop farking monkeys. I know they're sexy and all but jeeze!

... and this is why the WHO is considering renaming monkey pox.

Although it was first discovered in a lab monkey, the main animal vector is believed to be some kind of rodent, not monkeys. I.e. you catch it from working outdoors somewhere that rats (or whatever the rodent is) have been. (And then there's human to human transmission).

/Pizza Rat deserves to get some credit here
//Though it would be hard to beat rattus norvegicus' previous hit, the Black Death.


Alright folks! You heard 'em, monkey farking is back on the menu!
 
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