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(NPR)   Today's headline: The Simpsons animators unionize. Tomorrow's headline: After 33 seasons, Simpsons cancelled   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-07-01 1:15:26 PM  
I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.
 
2022-07-01 1:20:50 PM  

marklar2012: I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.


Perhaps you should read TFA, bud

Writers already are union.  This is about the production crew.  The worker bees.  The grunts.

Good for them.
 
2022-07-01 1:39:34 PM  

null: marklar2012: I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.

Perhaps you should read TFA, bud

Writers already are union.  This is about the production crew.  The worker bees.  The grunts.

Good for them.


And subby's headline does not even match the article.

/agreed, good for them
 
2022-07-01 2:51:59 PM  
Did they get the dental plan in negotiations?

DENTAL PLAN
 
2022-07-01 2:55:17 PM  

TheManofPA: Did they get the dental plan in negotiations?

DENTAL PLAN


Lisa needs braces!

/oblig
 
2022-07-01 3:04:14 PM  
Bring me David Silverman's non-union Mexican equivalent
 
2022-07-01 3:05:14 PM  
Simpsons
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2022-07-01 3:08:48 PM  
I got the entire first ten seasons (minus the Michael Jackson episode) on Disney+ that I can watch whenever I want. I'm happy.
 
2022-07-01 3:12:51 PM  
If that's what it takes to kill the beast...
 
2022-07-01 3:15:53 PM  
The mouse ain't gonna like that
 
2022-07-01 3:22:18 PM  

Adam64: The mouse ain't gonna like that


Yeah, I'm sure a TV and movie studio who deals daily with SAG, the DGA, the WGA, the PGA, the Film Union, the Teamsters, and the IATSE is furious over this.
 
2022-07-01 3:28:23 PM  

stoli n coke: Adam64: The mouse ain't gonna like that

Yeah, I'm sure a TV and movie studio who deals daily with SAG, the DGA, the WGA, the PGA, the Film Union, the Teamsters, and the IATSE is furious over this.


If you've followed how they handle their unions who work at Disneyland proper, then they won't like it. They won't burn everything down to the ground around them, but they won't like it. PBS did a documentary about Walt; there was a union drive in the studio during the 30's, and he had a big company speech in a large auditorium. It was so anti-worker, the union recruiter said "he helped our cause in one speech better than I could have in months." They unionized, he got depressed and withdrawn, and in that withdrawal, he started working on Disneyland.
 
2022-07-01 3:29:22 PM  
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2022-07-01 3:29:39 PM  
There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.
 
2022-07-01 3:30:06 PM  

null: marklar2012: I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.

Perhaps you should read TFA, bud

Writers already are union.  This is about the production crew.  The worker bees.  The grunts.

Good for them.


Fair enough, I stopped watching and reading about the show.

Hope this includes the animators/illustrators and, as someone else mentioned, inspires other shows to treat production crews better
 
2022-07-01 3:31:26 PM  

stoli n coke: Adam64: The mouse ain't gonna like that

Yeah, I'm sure a TV and movie studio who deals daily with SAG, the DGA, the WGA, the PGA, the Film Union, the Teamsters, and the IATSE is furious over this.


Ya because if there's one thing that American companies like its spending money on one group because they've been forced to on another. If Disney had no real problem because they already handle these requirements for others, the production staff would already have the same benefits as everyone else. They're talking about getting health care, this is farking disgusting.

You just forced Disney to pay more. The only real question is if it is enough to throw a tantrum over the profits these three shows generate.
 
2022-07-01 3:34:16 PM  

farkyorefeelings: null: marklar2012: I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.

Perhaps you should read TFA, bud

Writers already are union.  This is about the production crew.  The worker bees.  The grunts.

Good for them.

And subby's headline does not even match the article.

/agreed, good for them


No, production moves to China.  Simpsons gets canceled a season later if they can't match the quality.
 
2022-07-01 3:34:43 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable. And then Disney bought Fox.


FTFY. Their slide began and cratered well before Disney.
 
2022-07-01 3:37:17 PM  
Hell, wasn't it season three or four when they moved most of the animation to Worst Korea? I mean, them being cheap started almost from the beginning.
 
2022-07-01 3:41:53 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.


So you were on-board all the way up until season 30?
 
2022-07-01 3:54:48 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.


That happened 20 years before Disney bought them.
 
2022-07-01 3:56:10 PM  
I stopped watching when I realized how much Marge now sounds like a 75 year old chain smoker.
 
2022-07-01 4:00:07 PM  
Let's check with Matt Groening.
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2022-07-01 4:07:09 PM  
you know, i like simpsons used to rock but now they suck threads better now than i did fifteen years ago when i first came here.

rush threads, however, are less good now that that one guy is dead and the band broke up

there were virtually no other thread topics back then.
 
2022-07-01 4:10:06 PM  
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2022-07-01 4:10:54 PM  
Which is about 20 seasons after it should have been put to bed.
 
2022-07-01 4:10:54 PM  
Even the people making the show have to be sick of it by now, right? I mean those at the top who have the means to never have to work again. I guess they've figured out a way to coast through the work while collecting a fat paycheck.
 
2022-07-01 4:25:50 PM  

Trocadero: Hell, wasn't it season three or four when they moved most of the animation to Worst Korea? I mean, them being cheap started almost from the beginning.


Just to say it, these days studios don't move to korea because they are cheap anymore than manufacturing moves to china because it's cheap. They just have the muscle and capability to do more of it than anyone else. I'm not saying it didn't move there for that reason initially but that was a long time ago now. America couldn't do all their own animation any more than america could make all their iphones these days.
 
2022-07-01 4:38:19 PM  

browntimmy: Even the people making the show have to be sick of it by now, right? I mean those at the top who have the means to never have to work again. I guess they've figured out a way to coast through the work while collecting a fat paycheck.


The talent rotates just like any show, actually probably more like SNL than a primetime show.

Only 3 people have directed more than 80 episodes, only 2 people have written more than 80 episodes,
 
2022-07-01 4:40:16 PM  

Trocadero: Hell, wasn't it season three or four when they moved most of the animation to Worst Korea? I mean, them being cheap started almost from the beginning.


Yeah, and they were pretty open about it. As a kid it was pretty strange to me to think of people in some other land somewhere on the planet made the cartoons, but there it was wrapping the knowledge behind a joke.

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2022-07-01 5:07:38 PM  

browntimmy: Even the people making the show have to be sick of it by now, right? I mean those at the top who have the means to never have to work again. I guess they've figured out a way to coast through the work while collecting a fat paycheck.


Harry Shearer certainly is.  He tried to quit several years ago but apparently it's like trying to quit the mob.
 
2022-07-01 5:35:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Let's check with Matt Groening.
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Ah I was looking for that pic! Thanks!
 
2022-07-01 6:54:39 PM  
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2022-07-01 7:04:27 PM  
How do you unionize Korean animators?
 
2022-07-01 7:50:14 PM  

Trocadero: stoli n coke: Adam64: The mouse ain't gonna like that

Yeah, I'm sure a TV and movie studio who deals daily with SAG, the DGA, the WGA, the PGA, the Film Union, the Teamsters, and the IATSE is furious over this.

If you've followed how they handle their unions who work at Disneyland proper, then they won't like it. They won't burn everything down to the ground around them, but they won't like it. PBS did a documentary about Walt; there was a union drive in the studio during the 30's, and he had a big company speech in a large auditorium. It was so anti-worker, the union recruiter said "he helped our cause in one speech better than I could have in months." They unionized, he got depressed and withdrawn, and in that withdrawal, he started working on Disneyland.


Disney Animation Studios is already unionized, and has been since the 40s. Furthermore, modern-day Disney management has nothing in common with Walt-era management. Might as well be completely different companies.
 
2022-07-01 7:51:08 PM  

nelson1352: How do you unionize Korean animators?


All the storyboards, layouts, character/prop design, backgrounds, and key animation poses are done in the US. The Korean crew does the inbetweens.
 
2022-07-01 8:36:19 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.

So you were on-board all the way up until season 30?


I was willing to take a peek until then.  I won't give episodes at or beyond season 30 a chance.
 
2022-07-01 10:10:31 PM  

12349876: browntimmy: Even the people making the show have to be sick of it by now, right? I mean those at the top who have the means to never have to work again. I guess they've figured out a way to coast through the work while collecting a fat paycheck.

The talent rotates just like any show, actually probably more like SNL than a primetime show.

Only 3 people have directed more than 80 episodes, only 2 people have written more than 80 episodes,


We're also talking about the longest running show in TV history. If you started from the very beginning, even if every episode maintained the same quality, you'd inevitably get bored with the formula and want to watch something else.

And of course it hasn't maintained the same quality, because as new writers are brought on to replace the old ones, they're stuck trying to copy what the last guys did, and the sheer length of the show's run means we're at the point of copiers copying copiers who copied other copiers and so on. We passed this guy's iteration at least fifteen years back.

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But as long as there's new viewers who aren't that familiar with the original seasons, many of which they'd consider less funny because the topical references are meaningless to them, the show is still more than good enough to keep grinding along for another ten or twenty years. It's the SNL of prime time cartoons.
 
2022-07-01 10:41:45 PM  

marklar2012: I stopped watching around the time the voice actors became hideously overpaid... So hopefully the writers will be taken care of as well. Would not be at all surprised if the headline comes true.


How are the voice actors overpaid?
 
2022-07-01 10:47:21 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Let's check with Matt Groening.
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I haven't seen that episode in more than twenty years and I can still hear the voice for that line.
 
2022-07-01 10:51:35 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.


The show was bad a couple decades before Disney owned it
 
2022-07-01 11:13:27 PM  

EdgeRunner: We're also talking about the longest running show in TV history. If you started from the very beginning, even if every episode maintained the same quality, you'd inevitably get bored with the formula and want to watch something else.


When did we start talking about Guiding Light?

The Simpsons isn't even the longest running animated show in television history.  That honor belongs to Sazae-San.
 
2022-07-01 11:40:28 PM  

Jaesop: WhippingBoi: There's nothing the Mouse can't destroy.

The Simpsons went from one of the best shows ever made, to not bad, to not bad for background noise, to what-the-hell-happened-this-crap-is-unwatchable.

The show was bad a couple decades before Disney owned it


Absolutely. But Disney has somehow made it unwatchable now.

Everything Disney touches turns to shiat.
 
2022-07-02 1:53:04 AM  

masdog: EdgeRunner: We're also talking about the longest running show in TV history. If you started from the very beginning, even if every episode maintained the same quality, you'd inevitably get bored with the formula and want to watch something else.

When did we start talking about Guiding Light?

The Simpsons isn't even the longest running animated show in television history.  That honor belongs to Sazae-San.


Good call, should have been "one of the longest running shows in TV history". Heck, I even mentioned SNL which has obviously been on longer.

I blame my fact checkers, Jack and Coke. Those two can be really unreliable.
 
2022-07-02 1:14:20 PM  
I think Disney bites the bullet since all 3 shows are making money still plus the Futurama reboot and the rumored KOTH reboot in the plans and Animation Gulid seeking similar deals

Interesting Bob's Burgers isn't on that but I think they had their own thing awhile back.

However, I have more pressing issues like...
The Simpsons - Where's My Burrito?
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2022-07-02 6:07:24 PM  
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