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(International Business Times)   With staff shortages, Covid, and stress, don't expect the friendly skies to be friendly or efficient this 4 July weekend   (ibtimes.com) divider line
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2022-07-01 9:45:38 AM  
So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?
 
2022-07-01 9:49:11 AM  

inglixthemad: So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?


Well, and they cashed out & retired so many of them in 2020 that they're seriously screwed right now. Pilots and the unions can essentially dictate hiring/bargaining terms at this point, and they should.
 
2022-07-01 11:12:32 AM  
If you're planning to fly on a major holiday, just pay somebody to kick you right in the gooch and then stay home. It'll be a lot cheaper and much more pleasant.
 
2022-07-01 11:16:20 AM  
Just stay home.
 
2022-07-01 11:31:06 AM  

inglixthemad: So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?


Sit at home stock owners are ok w it.

For obvious rea$on$
 
2022-07-01 11:31:57 AM  

valkore: If you're planning to fly on a major holiday, just pay somebody to kick you right in the gooch and then stay home. It'll be a lot cheaper and much more pleasant.


I can fly the world right from my desktop.
 
2022-07-01 12:29:34 PM  

valkore: If you're planning to fly on a major holiday, just pay somebody to kick you right in the gooch and then stay home. It'll be a lot cheaper and much more pleasant.


In my limited experience, flying on the holiday itself is usually okay. The day before or after? Nightmares.
 
2022-07-01 1:01:15 PM  

inglixthemad: So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?


Man you can't go half measures like that.  And they didn't.

They beat down the pay AND increased the requirements.
 
2022-07-01 2:53:52 PM  

Ishidan: inglixthemad: So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?

Man you can't go half measures like that.  And they didn't.

They beat down the pay AND increased the requirements.


The public increased the requirements, the airlines don't control that one. However as much as it irritated several of my former CFI's even they admitted it wasn't a bad thing, but a good thing. Not like they weren't starving any less when they were hired by regional airlines versus being CFI's.
 
2022-07-01 5:56:52 PM  
Doesn't help that Jacksonville Center is an absolute shiat show right now of understaffing as well.

Doesn't matter how well staffed or not that the airline is...if ATC doesn't let ya take off, you don't take off.
 
2022-07-01 7:33:57 PM  

GregInIndy: inglixthemad: So aggressively beating down the pay of pilots for decades has resulted in not enough people training to be pilots... whodathunkit?

Well, and they cashed out & retired so many of them in 2020 that they're seriously screwed right now. Pilots and the unions can essentially dictate hiring/bargaining terms at this point, and they should.


Most of the airlines offered early retirement packages and then a lot of others were simply laid off or fired.

But while it's pretty easy to lay people off, it's not so easy to hire people.

Hiring someone at an Arbys is pretty easy.  Hiring a pilot, something that requires a lot of training and schooling?  That's much harder.

But with all that said, they KNOW they're deficient in pilots.  Which means they should simply be offering less flights.  So why do they keep cancelling flights with little notice?  Did they offer all these flights hoping they'd get pilots but fail?  I don't understand what's going on here.

/Also to note that this is EXACTLY the cause of the worker shortage, most of the inflation, most of the 'supply chain' issues, etc (not including long covid and covid deaths).  Various industries that require specialized workers did the same thing and hiring them all back is really really difficult.  As a result, lack of workers means lack of products which means lack of supply which means high prices!
 
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