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2022-06-30 4:15:19 PM  
Umpire fraud!  The Venezuelans hacked the game!
 
2022-06-30 4:58:46 PM  
Finally!
 
2022-06-30 5:09:51 PM  
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2022-06-30 5:23:29 PM  
most fans i know are all for this
 
2022-06-30 5:23:59 PM  
subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.
 
2022-06-30 5:30:42 PM  
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2022-06-30 5:40:11 PM  
About farking time! No one goes to a ballgame for the umps.
 
2022-06-30 5:40:35 PM  

The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.


This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.
 
2022-06-30 5:42:29 PM  
better than Angel Hernandez
 
2022-06-30 5:43:37 PM  
This is going to screw some teams over.

For a few years now, everyone has figured out that pitch framing is one of the more valuable skills a catcher can have.  Robo-umps will completely negate that advantage after teams have invested in guys who can't hit but who can make balls look like strikes.

Say goodbye to the careers of guys like Austin Hedges.
 
2022-06-30 5:47:36 PM  
But, will it be enough to get MLB on board for the "gambling"?
 
2022-06-30 5:48:32 PM  

NetOwl: This is going to screw some teams over.

For a few years now, everyone has figured out that pitch framing is one of the more valuable skills a catcher can have.  Robo-umps will completely negate that advantage after teams have invested in guys who can't hit but who can make balls look like strikes.

Say goodbye to the careers of guys like Austin Hedges.


While "being able to work the officials" can indeed be a valuable skill in many sports, that's not what fans came to see.
How many rabid James Harden fans were there (before this year's rule change anyway)?
 
2022-06-30 5:53:32 PM  

MSkow: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.


Fark abolishing the shift.   If you don't like the shift, don't be a dead pull hitter.

All that is gonna do is turn every game into a home run derby.  i.e.  boring as fark
 
2022-06-30 5:56:23 PM  

MSkow: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.


banning the shift is as idiotic as banning curveballs
 
2022-06-30 5:58:02 PM  

Rent Party: MSkow: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.

Fark abolishing the shift.   If you don't like the shift, don't be a dead pull hitter.

All that is gonna do is turn every game into a home run derby.  i.e.  boring as fark


The shift going away next year is a done deal, but I also disagree with the ban. Hitters should learn how to actually, yanno.. hit.

There's a counter-argument, however, that banning the shift will lead to more base hits and fewer homers, as hitters will be less inclined to swing for the fences and go for more base hits as they will be less fearful of hitting into the teeth of the shift (I personally don't buy this argument at all).
 
2022-06-30 6:05:54 PM  

Ass_Master_Flash: better than Angel Hernandez


Stevie Wonder would be better than Angel Hernandez.
 
2022-06-30 6:13:09 PM  

NetOwl: This is going to screw some teams over.

For a few years now, everyone has figured out that pitch framing is one of the more valuable skills a catcher can have.  Robo-umps will completely negate that advantage after teams have invested in guys who can't hit but who can make balls look like strikes.

Say goodbye to the careers of guys like Austin Hedges.


I would rather games be fair. Framing pitches is trying to trick the umpire into giving them strikes that wouldn't be strikes.
 
2022-06-30 6:20:28 PM  
Maybe once a year, say April Fool's day, they should set the robot umps to do random stuff. Much like Fark does.
 
2022-06-30 6:26:21 PM  

Rent Party: MSkow: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.

Fark abolishing the shift.   If you don't like the shift, don't be a dead pull hitter.

All that is gonna do is turn every game into a home run derby.  i.e.  boring as fark


This is the plague of Three True Outcomes, nobody learns to hit for contact anymore.
 
2022-06-30 6:31:31 PM  
Subby being a dumbass aside:
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2022-06-30 6:36:19 PM  

Farkenhostile: NetOwl: This is going to screw some teams over.

For a few years now, everyone has figured out that pitch framing is one of the more valuable skills a catcher can have.  Robo-umps will completely negate that advantage after teams have invested in guys who can't hit but who can make balls look like strikes.

Say goodbye to the careers of guys like Austin Hedges.

I would rather games be fair. Framing pitches is trying to trick the umpire into giving them strikes that wouldn't be strikes.


Wait, some people like to watch balls get turned to strikes with framing? There are catchers changing their stance to frame better at the detriment of, ya know, catching the ball. Catchers... Missing the ball... All so the batter, who has mastered one of the hardest skills in sports, gets punished unfairly. Yeah no thank you.
 
2022-06-30 6:47:04 PM  

The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.


Why? So he can have the largest strike zone known to man?
 
2022-06-30 6:54:08 PM  

IlGreven: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

Why? So he can have the largest strike zone known to man?


Judge is consistently having pitches across his shins called as strikes.

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2022-06-30 6:57:22 PM  

meanmutton: About farking time! No one goes to a ballgame for the umps.


I'd be hard pressed to say I go there for the players either.
 
2022-06-30 7:48:48 PM  
I've said this before, and i'm a big baseball fan.

Balls and strikes is a human decision. Yes, MLB run metrics and figure out who doesn't have a consistent zone.

Yes, players, this is your job, you should know the zones your ump today calls.

I'm OK with replay for questionable home runs and fan interference. I get modern stadium design makes some calls hard, especially when you don't have the line umps pre-post season.

I'm KIND of ok with a managers challenge or two for specific plays.

I'd say "sigh....fine" with a booth at an operations center in the post season that could call a challenge on their own for late inning\key plays, or the ump having discretion to go to the booth for a close call at a key moment.

But balls and strikes? Lets farking all just fire up RBI baseball from the 90s on our nintendos and let it do the work.

Seriously MLB.
 
2022-06-30 7:50:08 PM  

qgmonkey: most fans i know are all for this


You don't know fans, let alone anyone who played ball.
 
2022-06-30 7:53:03 PM  
MLB seems to have this hardon for game length which i don't get.

If i'm chilling on the couch actually watching a game, and having a few beers? Hey, 3 hour game. cool.

If i'm watching it how i watch most games, its background noise, i'm doing other stuff, and checking in on it. I don't care how long it is, because i have other stuff i'm doing.

Most games i watch on TV i'm watching on a time shift, so i'm just ffwd through a lot of it.

When i'm at the park, which i go to probably 10x a year, i'm at the park. I paid a bunch for those tickets. You don't want me to buy another beer? stick around for icecream? etc? I'm their to talk to my kid about the game, BS with the folks around me and my family, and just have a good time. Why are you trying to shorten it when i'm paying like 75 bucks a pop for "OK" tickets, let alone when i spring for good ones?
 
2022-06-30 7:54:01 PM  

LineNoise: Balls and strikes is a human decision.


It's not. At all. It's not figure skating. It is a zone clearly defined by the rules. It's not intended to be a judgment call. It has -been- a judgment call because we lacked the technology to accurately detect it, so we left it up to very fallible humans. Now we have the technology.
 
2022-06-30 7:56:53 PM  

The Bestest: LineNoise: Balls and strikes is a human decision.

It's not. At all. It's not figure skating. It is a zone clearly defined by the rules. It's not intended to be a judgment call. It has -been- a judgment call because we lacked the technology to accurately detect it, so we left it up to very fallible humans. Now we have the technology.


No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

I get it, knees and shoulders, etc. You fundamentally change how people pitch to certain players if that is how you are going to call balls and strikes.

What you are going to get out of this is a bunch of intentional walks, which NOBODY wants to see, because guys can't work the zone and what an ump will call on a particular hitter.

It turns baseball into a science, and not an art.
 
2022-06-30 7:59:44 PM  

Bannanaslug: Farkenhostile: NetOwl: This is going to screw some teams over.

For a few years now, everyone has figured out that pitch framing is one of the more valuable skills a catcher can have.  Robo-umps will completely negate that advantage after teams have invested in guys who can't hit but who can make balls look like strikes.

Say goodbye to the careers of guys like Austin Hedges.

I would rather games be fair. Framing pitches is trying to trick the umpire into giving them strikes that wouldn't be strikes.

Wait, some people like to watch balls get turned to strikes with framing? There are catchers changing their stance to frame better at the detriment of, ya know, catching the ball. Catchers... Missing the ball... All so the batter, who has mastered one of the hardest skills in sports, gets punished unfairly. Yeah no thank you.


This is all stuff though that you can work out with your umps on review after the fact. You have an ump that consistantly falls for it? Retrain him or get rid of it. You have a catcher great at it? That is a skill. You have a batter subject to it, time for him to improve his skills.

That is what we are all watching, folks with skills right? From the players to the officiators.
 
2022-06-30 8:00:56 PM  

LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.


wow.. no dude.. not at all

"The official strike zone is the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap."
 
2022-06-30 8:01:31 PM  

etoof: Maybe once a year, say April Fool's day, they should set the robot umps to do random stuff. Much like Fark does.


August 26th, call it Angel Hernandez day.
 
2022-06-30 8:01:32 PM  

The Bestest: LineNoise: Balls and strikes is a human decision.

It's not. At all. It's not figure skating. It is a zone clearly defined by the rules. It's not intended to be a judgment call. It has -been- a judgment call because we lacked the technology to accurately detect it, so we left it up to very fallible humans. Now we have the technology.


Also even in figure skating, there is a bit of, "Holy shiat that was wicked, you get points for the try even if it wasn't perfect"
 
2022-06-30 8:03:10 PM  

The Bestest: LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

wow.. no dude.. not at all

"The official strike zone is the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap."


yeah, how long do you think it takes me to crouch an inch, or lift up an inch from the windup?

This isn't beer league softball, its going to be exploited across the board and be a shiatshow.
 
2022-06-30 8:05:44 PM  

LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.


You are wrong.  The only decision is "Was the ball between the players beltline and knees, and over the plate?

If yes, strike.  If no, ball.

You don't need a person to decide that, because persons will fark it up, and get it into their heads that they can have a special strike zone if they want, and it's up to the player to know that 3" off the plate is a strike if Greg Maddux is pitching, and a ball sometimes if he's not.

There's nothing to judge about the strike zone.   It's a defined thing and players shouldn't have to guess where the umps zone is, they should have to know where their zone is.  And that's it.
 
2022-06-30 8:06:56 PM  
and i'm all for ensuring, and MLB enforcing umps have consistent zones, with some wiggle room for certain players and situations.

I wish i had the skill to pitch, but this decision is going to kill off the value of that position. I don't want to see constant 12-10 games, i want to see the 2-3 game won\lost in the late innings.
 
2022-06-30 8:07:38 PM  

Marbleisheavy: etoof: Maybe once a year, say April Fool's day, they should set the robot umps to do random stuff. Much like Fark does.

August 26th, call it Angel Hernandez day.


Nice thought, but I would prefer to see him stricken from all baseball records instead.
 
2022-06-30 8:08:31 PM  

Rent Party: LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

You are wrong.  The only decision is "Was the ball between the players beltline and knees, and over the plate?

If yes, strike.  If no, ball.

You don't need a person to decide that, because persons will fark it up, and get it into their heads that they can have a special strike zone if they want, and it's up to the player to know that 3" off the plate is a strike if Greg Maddux is pitching, and a ball sometimes if he's not.

There's nothing to judge about the strike zone.   It's a defined thing and players shouldn't have to guess where the umps zone is, they should have to know where their zone is.  And that's it.


So why do we have batters? Why not stick a robot there that can hit it. Or a robot that can catch it.

Oh its you. You get this is going to cost or downplay a union job for the umpires right? Why don't you support them? Workers of the world, right?

What about the players, they are union, where is there say?
 
2022-06-30 8:10:52 PM  
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2022-06-30 8:13:32 PM  

LineNoise: Rent Party: LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

You are wrong.  The only decision is "Was the ball between the players beltline and knees, and over the plate?

If yes, strike.  If no, ball.

You don't need a person to decide that, because persons will fark it up, and get it into their heads that they can have a special strike zone if they want, and it's up to the player to know that 3" off the plate is a strike if Greg Maddux is pitching, and a ball sometimes if he's not.

There's nothing to judge about the strike zone.   It's a defined thing and players shouldn't have to guess where the umps zone is, they should have to know where their zone is.  And that's it.

So why do we have batters? Why not stick a robot there that can hit it. Or a robot that can catch it.

Oh its you. You get this is going to cost or downplay a union job for the umpires right? Why don't you support them? Workers of the world, right?

What about the players, they are union, where is there say?


Because the game is about the players, not the umpires.    I can't think of a single player that says "Man, I really want an inconsistent strike zone!  That's awesome!"
 
2022-06-30 8:18:10 PM  

Rent Party: LineNoise: Rent Party: LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

You are wrong.  The only decision is "Was the ball between the players beltline and knees, and over the plate?

If yes, strike.  If no, ball.

You don't need a person to decide that, because persons will fark it up, and get it into their heads that they can have a special strike zone if they want, and it's up to the player to know that 3" off the plate is a strike if Greg Maddux is pitching, and a ball sometimes if he's not.

There's nothing to judge about the strike zone.   It's a defined thing and players shouldn't have to guess where the umps zone is, they should have to know where their zone is.  And that's it.

So why do we have batters? Why not stick a robot there that can hit it. Or a robot that can catch it.

Oh its you. You get this is going to cost or downplay a union job for the umpires right? Why don't you support them? Workers of the world, right?

What about the players, they are union, where is there say?

Because the game is about the players, not the umpires.    I can't think of a single player that says "Man, I really want an inconsistent strike zone!  That's awesome!"


These are millionaires, at the top of their skill, with plenty of information and knowledge of how a particular ump calls stuff.

I agree it should be consistent, if a given ump calls low stuff, be consistent about it. Its part of the game and the players skill.

This is really MLB playing to the sports betting crowd, and taking the easy way out.
 
2022-06-30 8:27:34 PM  

LineNoise: Rent Party: LineNoise: Rent Party: LineNoise: No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

You are wrong.  The only decision is "Was the ball between the players beltline and knees, and over the plate?

If yes, strike.  If no, ball.

You don't need a person to decide that, because persons will fark it up, and get it into their heads that they can have a special strike zone if they want, and it's up to the player to know that 3" off the plate is a strike if Greg Maddux is pitching, and a ball sometimes if he's not.

There's nothing to judge about the strike zone.   It's a defined thing and players shouldn't have to guess where the umps zone is, they should have to know where their zone is.  And that's it.

So why do we have batters? Why not stick a robot there that can hit it. Or a robot that can catch it.

Oh its you. You get this is going to cost or downplay a union job for the umpires right? Why don't you support them? Workers of the world, right?

What about the players, they are union, where is there say?

Because the game is about the players, not the umpires.    I can't think of a single player that says "Man, I really want an inconsistent strike zone!  That's awesome!"

These are millionaires, at the top of their skill, with plenty of information and knowledge of how a particular ump calls stuff.

I agree it should be consistent, if a given ump calls low stuff, be consistent about it. Its part of the game and the players skill.

This is really MLB playing to the sports betting crowd, and taking the easy way out.


Except you don't want it consistent - upthread you stated that you want wiggle room for "certain players and situations."  Which means that your take on this is all over the place, much like many umpires' strike zones - and that's exactly the issue that people are trying to solve, because if the strike zone is clearly defined there shouldn't be any need for everyone to suffer through Angel botching a dozen calls a night, or all those years of Joe West intentionally getting one wrong just to insert himself into the game so he could throw an upset player out, or or or.

Human error by players dictating an outcome is acceptable, human error by umpires isn't. That's where we're at as far as the public opinion on the game, regardless of whether you're pining for "purist" days of yore or not.
 
2022-06-30 8:32:34 PM  

LineNoise: The Bestest: LineNoise: Balls and strikes is a human decision.

It's not. At all. It's not figure skating. It is a zone clearly defined by the rules. It's not intended to be a judgment call. It has -been- a judgment call because we lacked the technology to accurately detect it, so we left it up to very fallible humans. Now we have the technology.

No its not, its a human decision as to "Can he have hit it" or is he trying to draw a call.

I get it, knees and shoulders, etc. You fundamentally change how people pitch to certain players if that is how you are going to call balls and strikes.

What you are going to get out of this is a bunch of intentional walks, which NOBODY wants to see, because guys can't work the zone and what an ump will call on a particular hitter.

It turns baseball into a science, and not an art.


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2022-06-30 8:35:37 PM  
I've said it before, will say it again. Not every pitch should be called by a robot. Umps should still call each pitch. But players or teams should have a large pool of challenges to use, just like tennis. 90% of ump calls are fine, but the wrong ones need to be corrected by challenge. Umps will naturally get better because they will be shown their mistakes in real time, so there will be fewer challenges in the long run.
 
2022-06-30 8:36:11 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Except you don't want it consistent - upthread you stated that you want wiggle room for "certain players and situations."  Which means that your take on this is all over the place, much like many umpires' strike zones - and that's exactly the issue that people are trying to solve, because if the strike zone is clearly defined there shouldn't be any need for everyone to suffer through Angel botching a dozen calls a night, or all those years of Joe West intentionally getting one wrong just to insert himself into the game so he could throw an upset player out, or or or.

Human error by players dictating an outcome is acceptable, human error by umpires isn't. That's where we're at as far as the public opinion on the game, regardless of whether you're pining for "purist" days of yore or not.


You kind of caught my point.

Its human. Some calls go your way, others don't. Umps tend to make up for it if they are fair, and another questionable call goes your way. Why do you think managers argue unwinnable situations they know there is no possibility, even if they brought out charts, won't get turned around?

What i can get a good crack at isn't the same as another player with my size. I have my place i like to see a place, someone same height, build, weight, might be a bit higher or lower. I'm getting up there, but i can still do a squat and tighten up the "belt to shoulders" and game something if i want to do that. Where does the clock on that start and end? that is the point of an ump. "Yeah, i know this guy, he could have hit it but tried to draw a walk (or vice versa)."

Its all part of the game. Why even have a pitcher at that point. Just throw a machine out there on random, and let it tell you what it threw.

Players, even at lower levels know umps and how they will call them. They get told that before the game if they don't. I farking do it in little league. To the batters: "The dude tonight will call you higher than the guy on monday, so watch for those pitchers". To the pitchers: "This guy has a higher zone than last week. so watch it...."

Its a game. Not a video game.
 
2022-06-30 8:46:54 PM  
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/I, for one, welcome our new robot umpire overlords
 
2022-06-30 9:07:39 PM  

The Bestest: Rent Party: MSkow: The Bestest: subby clearly hasn't watched baseball this year.

Aaron Judge is salivating at the prospect of robo umps.

This will be a boon(e) the offense along with abolishing the shift. I'm all for it, can't wait. Pitchers are getting way too many calls these days.

Fark abolishing the shift.   If you don't like the shift, don't be a dead pull hitter.

All that is gonna do is turn every game into a home run derby.  i.e.  boring as fark

The shift going away next year is a done deal, but I also disagree with the ban. Hitters should learn how to actually, yanno.. hit.

There's a counter-argument, however, that banning the shift will lead to more base hits and fewer homers, as hitters will be less inclined to swing for the fences and go for more base hits as they will be less fearful of hitting into the teeth of the shift (I personally don't buy this argument at all).


Banning the shift is done. Only the pitcher and catcher should be limited on where they can position themselves within the field of play.

But, if anything, banning I'll he shift will promote more all or nothing hitting because the expansion of the extreme shifts was a direct response to all or nothing hitting because it made getting an out far more likely if the ball wasn't a home run. Not shifting will mean more cases where the hitter doesn't get good contact getting a single past the infielders.
 
2022-06-30 9:42:27 PM  

dywed88: Banning the shift is done. Only the pitcher and catcher should be limited on where they can position themselves within the field of play.

But, if anything, banning I'll he shift will promote more all or nothing hitting because the expansion of the extreme shifts was a direct response to all or nothing hitting because it made getting an out far more likely if the ball wasn't a home run. Not shifting will mean more cases where the hitter doesn't get good contact getting a single past the infielders.


which is pure BS. The shift is not slowing down the game. It isn't a video game. And even for you dorks who want to turn it into one, we could do a shift in farking Tony Lasorda baseball in the 90s on a god damn tandy.

Sorry the game has more than one dimension to it that morons can't grasp. I didn't realize baseball was competing against NASCAR at this point, because they are making the same dumb mistakes.
 
2022-06-30 9:49:00 PM  
I wish it didn't have to come to this, but MLB umps have brought it upon themselves. It's like they are getting intentionally worse.
 
2022-06-30 9:51:53 PM  
I'm even fine with not having a "standard" zone as long as it's consistent. Not this "the zone floats around depending on team and inning" crap.
 
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