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2022-06-30 1:24:11 PM  
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Those four playing Nebbish Distracted Grumpy Poker.
 
2022-06-30 4:54:49 PM  
I'm no expert, but I'm sure Howard Stern is rich enough to turn down a bit part in an MCU film if he wants to. Unless Marvel really did drop a boatload of money at his door to actually play Dr. Doom, which seems... unlikely.
 
2022-06-30 5:00:31 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'm no expert, but I'm sure Howard Stern is rich enough to turn down a bit part in an MCU film if he wants to. Unless Marvel really did drop a boatload of money at his door to actually play Dr. Doom, which seems... unlikely.


Amazing how a Latverian accent sounds just like a Queens accent.
 
2022-06-30 5:05:56 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'm no expert, but I'm sure Howard Stern is rich enough to turn down a bit part in an MCU film if he wants to. Unless Marvel really did drop a boatload of money at his door to actually play Dr. Doom, which seems... unlikely.


I sincerely doubt they'd hire him to play Doom. It's likely he'll just be "Howard Stern" in the MCU. Why's he not thrilled about it? Who knows? But these movies often have everyone from Tucker Carlson to the ghost of Walter Cronkite playing themselves in the news snippets throughout the story.

The real news is that Marvel's aiming for a Doctor Doom movie instead of just dropping him into a Fantastic Four movie. That's a break from the norm for Marvel because they don't typically make movies under a villain's name. The closest would be WandaVision (Wanda was always a villain, ever since she joined HYDRA to murder Stark and the Avengers for something Obadiah Stane did to her when she was a kid.)

There are other possibilities. Perhaps in the MCU Doom is the antihero and the Fantastic Four will be the villains. I'd love to see that twist, although I'm sure it would piss off FF fans (ARE there still FF fans?)

Perhaps the point is to establish Doom as neither villain nor hero, but simply as the powerful lord of Latveria. In the context of his own film he'll seem somewhat heroic as he goes through his own version of the hero's journey, but then the bigger picture will become apparent and he'll be revealed as the next big bad of the MCU.

Either way, I'm intrigued. I do hope they get the casting right: An authoritarian, powerful-seeming man whose voice carries strength, confidence, and obvious nobility. I'd prefer him to be able to play the character with an accent, and the actor should be OK with his face being unseen once he ends up under the mask.
 
2022-06-30 5:07:41 PM  
I'll believe it when I see it. Stern isn't an actor and the MCU isn't so desperate for attention they'd give an iconic villain role.

The only way I see this as being possible is if he's playing a bit part as a side character pretending to be Dr. Doom as some sort of cosplay or something, like one of the dudes in hockey gear dressing up like batman or something.
 
2022-06-30 5:18:50 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: I'll believe it when I see it. Stern isn't an actor and the MCU isn't so desperate for attention they'd give an iconic villain role.

The only way I see this as being possible is if he's playing a bit part as a side character pretending to be Dr. Doom as some sort of cosplay or something, like one of the dudes in hockey gear dressing up like batman or something.


The rumor I read is that Stern would be interviewing Doom, and Doom's origin story would then take place in flashbacks. Apparently there's a comic story with the same basic structure.
 
2022-06-30 5:27:56 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Cthulhu Theory: I'll believe it when I see it. Stern isn't an actor and the MCU isn't so desperate for attention they'd give an iconic villain role.

The only way I see this as being possible is if he's playing a bit part as a side character pretending to be Dr. Doom as some sort of cosplay or something, like one of the dudes in hockey gear dressing up like batman or something.

The rumor I read is that Stern would be interviewing Doom, and Doom's origin story would then take place in flashbacks. Apparently there's a comic story with the same basic structure.


I only see TWO ways this is possible...
 
2022-06-30 5:39:51 PM  

WilderKWight: Either way, I'm intrigued. I do hope they get the casting right: An authoritarian, powerful-seeming man whose voice carries strength, confidence, and obvious nobility. I'd prefer him to be able to play the character with an accent, and the actor should be OK with his face being unseen once he ends up under the mask.



Pedro Pascal for Dr. Doom.


Dr. Doom was always a ridiculous character.  This movie had better be funny.
 
2022-06-30 5:40:38 PM  
I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!
 
2022-06-30 5:47:48 PM  
Is Imus Mr. Fantastic in this universe?
 
2022-06-30 6:11:04 PM  
It's the multiverse.

Doom could be Howard Stern in one universe, Christopher Lloyd's Rick Sanchez going all tech priest in another, Benedict Cumberbatch's less ethical Dr. Strange speed learning all of the late Tony Stark's tech and financial records with his magic in yet another and taking up a whole new moniker.

And then there's that version in the Venture Brothers that started off as a dictator outside Detroit and ended up homeless in Manhattan.

/never made it clear if Baron Underbeit survived his ordeals
 
2022-06-30 6:13:09 PM  
Fun fact, George Lucas ripped off Doom when creating Darth Vader.

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2022-06-30 6:20:36 PM  

ViciousX: Fun fact, George Lucas ripped off Doom when creating Darth Vader.

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Fun fact: Stan Lee was an inveterate liar when it came to taking credit for things he wasn't due credit for.  Both Doom and Vader were derivative of medieval knights; Vader has a Samurai helmet instead of Dooms "man in the iron mask" rip-off.
 
2022-06-30 6:22:06 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!


Poppycock!

He must face off in a grand adventure against the Marvel Universe's most overpowered hero:

Squirrel Girl.
 
2022-06-30 6:37:20 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'm no expert, but I'm sure Howard Stern is rich enough to turn down a bit part in an MCU film if he wants to. Unless Marvel really did drop a boatload of money at his door to actually play Dr. Doom, which seems... unlikely.


Howard's whole persona is taking jobs and then biatching about them. I'm assuming it extends to his off-air conversations too
 
2022-06-30 6:46:08 PM  
Howard Stern is awesome! Baba Booey!

....is it 1997 already?
 
2022-06-30 6:48:38 PM  
He's still an ahole.  Baitching about a job anyone would kill to have.

There's no chance it's more than a cameo though. Seriously.   Playing a Howard Stern like person with a different name in the MCU. Doing Howard Stern like things (probably trolling the Fantasic Four).
 
2022-06-30 6:57:35 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: I'll believe it when I see it. Stern isn't an actor and the MCU isn't so desperate for attention they'd give an iconic villain role.


He was the lead in his own movie. He played himself but that's probably all he'll be doing here. Maybe not "Howard Stern" by name but a radio personality just like him.
 
2022-06-30 7:02:07 PM  
Howard Stern?

Howard The Duck?

C'mon people, do the math!!!
 
2022-06-30 7:03:33 PM  

ViciousX: Fun fact, George Lucas ripped off Doom when creating Darth Vader.

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Somehow Hollywood doesn't understand this because ideal Doom is Mad Scientist Vader if he is was also the Emperor
 
2022-06-30 7:25:18 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!


If they don't show Doom's mother's pearls hitting the pavement, I'm boycotting.
 
2022-06-30 7:37:20 PM  

Trik: EdgeRunner: I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!

If they don't show Doom's mother's pearls hitting the pavement, I'm boycotting.


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2022-06-30 7:44:54 PM  

ViciousX: Trik: EdgeRunner: I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!

If they don't show Doom's mother's pearls hitting the pavement, I'm boycotting.

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Heh, they got her name wrong, it's Martha Von Doom.
 
2022-06-30 8:09:28 PM  

Trik: ViciousX: Trik: EdgeRunner: I don't care if it's a movie or a show. Just as long as we get the full backstory of old Vic building Doctor Doom's Fear Fall at Universal's Islands of Adventure, it'll be worth it!

If they don't show Doom's mother's pearls hitting the pavement, I'm boycotting.

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Heh, they got her name wrong, it's Martha Von Doom.


WHY YOU POST THAT NAME???
 
2022-06-30 8:19:33 PM  
When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting
 
2022-06-30 9:05:23 PM  

spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting


I promise you, even if Howard is in a Dr Doom movie he's not playing Dr Doom
 
2022-06-30 9:09:34 PM  

WilderKWight: AnotherBluesStringer: I'm no expert, but I'm sure Howard Stern is rich enough to turn down a bit part in an MCU film if he wants to. Unless Marvel really did drop a boatload of money at his door to actually play Dr. Doom, which seems... unlikely.

I sincerely doubt they'd hire him to play Doom. It's likely he'll just be "Howard Stern" in the MCU. Why's he not thrilled about it? Who knows? But these movies often have everyone from Tucker Carlson to the ghost of Walter Cronkite playing themselves in the news snippets throughout the story.

The real news is that Marvel's aiming for a Doctor Doom movie instead of just dropping him into a Fantastic Four movie. That's a break from the norm for Marvel because they don't typically make movies under a villain's name. The closest would be WandaVision (Wanda was always a villain, ever since she joined HYDRA to murder Stark and the Avengers for something Obadiah Stane did to her when she was a kid.)

There are other possibilities. Perhaps in the MCU Doom is the antihero and the Fantastic Four will be the villains. I'd love to see that twist, although I'm sure it would piss off FF fans (ARE there still FF fans?)

Perhaps the point is to establish Doom as neither villain nor hero, but simply as the powerful lord of Latveria. In the context of his own film he'll seem somewhat heroic as he goes through his own version of the hero's journey, but then the bigger picture will become apparent and he'll be revealed as the next big bad of the MCU.

Either way, I'm intrigued. I do hope they get the casting right: An authoritarian, powerful-seeming man whose voice carries strength, confidence, and obvious nobility. I'd prefer him to be able to play the character with an accent, and the actor should be OK with his face being unseen once he ends up under the mask.


Stern is miserable because he's miserable in every endeavor he is a part of. Even after 30+ years of therapy.

Also, ade you forgetting the Loki series? That version is the villainous version transported directly out of the Battle of New York. Still very much the villain at first.

Also, I'm down for a Doom movie before a FF movie. Doom is the greatest villain Marvel had, and he was treated poorly in the FF movies from the early 2000's. He is MUCH more interesting than Reed Richards and gang.
 
2022-06-30 9:10:26 PM  

spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting


There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.
 
2022-06-30 9:13:56 PM  

WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.


Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?
 
2022-06-30 9:15:33 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?


Moon Knight.
 
2022-06-30 9:20:37 PM  

WhippingBoi: There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom


Didn't other production companies screw him up twice already?
 
2022-06-30 9:24:10 PM  

WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.


Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?
 
2022-06-30 9:24:37 PM  

WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.


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2022-06-30 9:26:23 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?


By the way, I didn't particularly care for Moon Knight. But I also have no per-conceived idea of the character since I don't know it outside of the show
 
2022-06-30 9:27:01 PM  

whosits_112: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

[Fark user image image 425x214]


Moon Knight was one of my favourite characters. What Disney did to him was criminal.
 
2022-06-30 9:28:34 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?


Fat Thor.
 
2022-06-30 9:29:11 PM  

WhippingBoi: whosits_112: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

[Fark user image image 425x214]

Moon Knight was one of my favourite characters. What Disney did to him was criminal.


This is fair. From what I understand to make a real Moon Knight series it would have to be rated R/TV-MA/whatever so you couldn't get it exactly right in the "Disney" format

But it's just one character. And Dr Doom isn't exactly a "Has to be adult or it can't work" kind of character
 
2022-06-30 9:34:00 PM  

WhippingBoi: whosits_112: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

[Fark user image image 425x214]

Moon Knight was one of my favourite characters. What Disney did to him was criminal.


I thought the show was fine.
 
2022-06-30 9:38:19 PM  

WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?

Fat Thor.


I mean, aside from using "getting fat" as a metaphor (?) for hitting rock bottom (and I'm not fat so I don't care about that) I don't really see an issue with it
 
2022-06-30 9:46:40 PM  
Doom is an egomaniac who thinks he's gods gift to the world and cares nothing for the people who worship him.

Stern's perfect.
 
2022-06-30 9:54:06 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?

Fat Thor.

I mean, aside from using "getting fat" as a metaphor (?) for hitting rock bottom (and I'm not fat so I don't care about that) I don't really see an issue with it


So I'm going to put myself out there, and you can tear me to shreds if you like...

I think it's fantastic that Disney is producing shows like Ms. Marvel. They're not for me, but they allow people to feel included, etc. This is a great thing, and they need to do more of this.

But at the same time, they're starting to shiat on other characters. Moon Knight was about Mark Spector, Steven Grant, and Jake Lockley. But they subverted this to introduce a "female Egyptian Superhero".

Going forward, every Marvel show or movie from now on is absolutely guaranteed to feature a "strong female character", and will go out of their way to ensure that the male characters are somewhat pathetic and ineffectual. ("being a superhero is for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans for some reason")

So fark this shiat. It's not a zero-sum game.
 
2022-06-30 10:41:34 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?


I mean... I won't make a comprehensive list because y'all would think I'm just being contrary, but whoever is greenlighting this stuff is pretty much exactly my age and liked the same books. I should be stoked, but I've definitely not enjoyed a few of the adaptations as much as I'd like. I will shout out 2 as being especially "character in name only" and that's Cage and Shang Chi.
 
2022-06-30 10:46:52 PM  

drewogatory: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

I mean... I won't make a comprehensive list because y'all would think I'm just being contrary, but whoever is greenlighting this stuff is pretty much exactly my age and liked the same books. I should be stoked, but I've definitely not enjoyed a few of the adaptations as much as I'd like. I will shout out 2 as being especially "character in name only" and that's Cage and Shang Chi.


Cage isn't technically MCU, so this creative entity had nothing to do with him. Though I disagree anyway because I liked the series
 
2022-06-30 10:50:15 PM  

WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?

Fat Thor.

I mean, aside from using "getting fat" as a metaphor (?) for hitting rock bottom (and I'm not fat so I don't care about that) I don't really see an issue with it

So I'm going to put myself out there, and you can tear me to shreds if you like...

I think it's fantastic that Disney is producing shows like Ms. Marvel. They're not for me, but they allow people to feel included, etc. This is a great thing, and they need to do more of this.

But at the same time, they're starting to shiat on other characters. Moon Knight was about Mark Spector, Steven Grant, and Jake Lockley. But they subverted this to introduce a "female Egyptian Superhero".

Going forward, every Marvel show or movie from now on is absolutely guaranteed to feature a "strong female character", and will go out of their way to ensure that the male characters are somewhat pathetic and ineffectual. ("being a superhero is for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans for some reason")

So fark this shiat. It's not a zero-sum game.


Oof, I can only imagine how far your lower lip stuck out during the "she's got help" scene in Endgame
 
2022-06-30 10:56:19 PM  

TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?

Fat Thor.

I mean, aside from using "getting fat" as a metaphor (?) for hitting rock bottom (and I'm not fat so I don't care about that) I don't really see an issue with it

So I'm going to put myself out there, and you can tear me to shreds if you like...

I think it's fantastic that Disney is producing shows like Ms. Marvel. They're not for me, but they allow people to feel included, etc. This is a great thing, and they need to do more of this.

But at the same time, they're starting to shiat on other characters. Moon Knight was about Mark Spector, Steven Grant, and Jake Lockley. But they subverted this to introduce a "female Egyptian Superhero".

Going forward, every Marvel show or movie from now on is absolutely guaranteed to feature a "strong female character", and will go out of their way to ensure that the male characters are somewhat pathetic and ineffectual. ("being a superhero is for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans for some reason")

So fark this shiat. It's not a zero-sum game.

Oof, I can only imagine how far your lower lip stuck out during the "she's got help" scene in Endgame


You didn't consider that to be pandering and pathetic?
 
2022-06-30 11:17:15 PM  

WhippingBoi: whosits_112: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

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Moon Knight was one of my favourite characters. What Disney did to him was criminal.


616 Moon Knight was one of your favorite characters because you have poor taste, mate.  There are a legion of reasons Marvel's 50yo version of Batman never broke above 50th place in monthly sales, and all those reasons are carried in a bucket named 'Shiat Writing'.
 
2022-06-30 11:19:28 PM  

Flappyhead: Doom is an egomaniac who thinks he's gods gift to the world and cares nothing for the people who worship him.

Stern's perfect.


You know neither jack nor shiat about Dr Doom, mate.  You're objectively wrong and have been since at least the mid-80s Byrne run on FF.
 
2022-06-30 11:20:44 PM  

deadsanta: ViciousX: Fun fact, George Lucas ripped off Doom when creating Darth Vader.

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Fun fact: Stan Lee was an inveterate liar when it came to taking credit for things he wasn't due credit for.  Both Doom and Vader were derivative of medieval knights; Vader has a Samurai helmet instead of Dooms "man in the iron mask" rip-off.


Yes, samurai were reknown for their head-to-toe metal suits of armor.
 
2022-06-30 11:22:40 PM  

WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: TDWCom29: WhippingBoi: spaceherpes: When I was at the final SD comic con panel for Legion, Noah Hawley said he'd been working with marvel on a Dr Doom film, wonder if this is it. If it is, awful casting

There's zero chance that Disney won't screw up Doctor Doom.
And zero chance that the choads won't claim it's the best thing ever.

We're in the dark ages now.

Examples of Marvel characters Disney screwed up and yet people have claimed are great?

Moon Knight.

Okay that's debatablely one minor comic character out of like... a lot of characters overall. I feel like to make a prediction like that you'd have a LOT of examples since the Disney MCU is about a decade old

Also, isn't "making things people like" the point of making these things? I mean unless you're suggesting said choads actually hate Moon Knight but are pretending to like it?

Fat Thor.

I mean, aside from using "getting fat" as a metaphor (?) for hitting rock bottom (and I'm not fat so I don't care about that) I don't really see an issue with it

So I'm going to put myself out there, and you can tear me to shreds if you like...

I think it's fantastic that Disney is producing shows like Ms. Marvel. They're not for me, but they allow people to feel included, etc. This is a great thing, and they need to do more of this.

But at the same time, they're starting to shiat on other characters. Moon Knight was about Mark Spector, Steven Grant, and Jake Lockley. But they subverted this to introduce a "female Egyptian Superhero".

Going forward, every Marvel show or movie from now on is absolutely guaranteed to feature a "strong female character", and will go out of their way to ensure that the male characters are somewhat pathetic and ineffectual. ("being a superhero is for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans for some reason")

So fark this shiat. It's not a zero-sum game.

Oof, I can only imagine how far your lower lip stuck out during the "she's got help" scene in Endgame

You didn't consider that to be pandering and pathetic?


I consider you to be pandering and pathetic.  So there's that.
 
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