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(Yahoo)   Queen, Fleetwood Mac are in the top 5 of Billboard's Top Rock & Alternative Albums charts this week. This is not a repeat from 1977   (yahoo.com) divider line
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2022-06-30 9:26:39 AM  
Who are all these charts for?  Radio Station Program Directors almost certainly have better sources of information than Billboard these days.  I can't imagine that the general public consults Billboard for anything anymore.  This is sort of like Nielsen's dying business of measuring broadcast television live viewership -- the way we consume media moved on years ago, but businesses are still determined to report on metrics that nobody cares about just because that's what they've always done.
 
2022-06-30 9:32:20 AM  

Uzzah: Who are all these charts for?  Radio Station Program Directors almost certainly have better sources of information than Billboard these days.  I can't imagine that the general public consults Billboard for anything anymore.  This is sort of like Nielsen's dying business of measuring broadcast television live viewership -- the way we consume media moved on years ago, but businesses are still determined to report on metrics that nobody cares about just because that's what they've always done.


Allegedly they include streaming stats now too.

Here's a recap of Billboard's consumption-based album charts and multi-metric (streaming-, radio airplay- and sales-based) songs surveys covering rock, alternative and hard rock:
 
2022-06-30 9:47:25 AM  
1977 was a great year.
 
2022-06-30 9:50:24 AM  

Uzzah: the way we consume media moved on years ago, but businesses are still determined to report on metrics that nobody cares about just because that's what they've always done.


Even when things are bad for the music business the money is still really, really good.  There was no real impetus for them to change because their model, even when it has taken the hit it has, still generates enough profit to make it worthwhile.

Think of it this way....one of the biggest costs of record companies was printing and distributing media.  That's almost entirely gone now.  Now, the money that they made from that is less than the single purchase but it was a one time thing; they'll have a continued revenue stream on a consistent basis for the forseeable future with streaming.  Sure, it might be less than when things were at their peak but they no longer have to hustle to sign the "next big thing."  They have 70 years of Rock and Pop that the only thing they have to do is sign the paltry royalty checks to the artists for while they take the lions share of, all for doing nothing.
 
2022-06-30 9:58:42 AM  
And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"
 
2022-06-30 10:19:30 AM  

Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"


I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.
 
2022-06-30 10:45:23 AM  

likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.


This story did not develop in the way I hoped.
 
2022-06-30 10:48:33 AM  
"Rumors" is a great album, and it's eternal. There is nothing else like it, and there never will be. It scratches an itch that no other album scratches.
 
2022-06-30 10:48:45 AM  

Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

This story did not develop in the way I hoped.


"Dear Billboard..."
 
2022-06-30 10:49:58 AM  
It would help to know more.  Are they resurging because they cherrypicked from vinyl sales?  Are they in soundtracks to the Netflix shows the kids are watching?  What the f*ck, subby.  You give us nothing except the names of two bands.  Jerkface.
 
2022-06-30 10:50:20 AM  
Dear Billboard, I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis
 
2022-06-30 10:52:28 AM  
Harry Styles - The Chain (Fleetwood Mac cover) in the Live Lounge
Youtube eM_FR7I2Ttw
 
2022-06-30 10:54:50 AM  
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2022-06-30 10:55:41 AM  
I'm 51, but I discover a fair amount of new music from YouTube reactors.  I 'preorder' albums from Apple Music by adding them to my library, and they automatically show up on release day.

I'm really liking the new album from The Warning.  I'm not usually into hard rock lately, but these young ladies are really talented.
 
2022-06-30 10:58:41 AM  
Deep Dish - Dreams (Extended Club Mix)
Youtube JROB4Io3-EA
 
2022-06-30 10:59:49 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: It would help to know more.  Are they resurging because they cherrypicked from vinyl sales?  Are they in soundtracks to the Netflix shows the kids are watching?  What the f*ck, subby.  You give us nothing except the names of two bands.  Jerkface.


Check out this thingy, 'FTA" or something
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/billboard-announces-updates-rock-alternative-194454160.html?ICID=ref_fark
 
2022-06-30 11:12:16 AM  
I find new bands by watching the opening acts of bands I like. I go to one or two a month.
I also have youtube music which has good recommendations.
 
2022-06-30 11:28:32 AM  
No Elvis, Beatles, or the Rolling Stones
In 1977
 
2022-06-30 11:29:48 AM  
I also spotted Creedence at something like #8 before the paywall ate my screen.
 
2022-06-30 11:30:50 AM  
The Clash - 1977
Youtube KorwwAjKpaY
 
2022-06-30 11:41:47 AM  
Queen should be in the top five every week regardless of the year.
 
2022-06-30 11:45:34 AM  

Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

This story did not develop in the way I hoped.


My friends are dancers. I usually have one or two here because it's almost impossible for them to provide proof of income for a reputable landlord and I have more home than I actually use. Eventually, they work out something with somebody who has a normal job and they can move on.

One of the people in my place right now is a top 3% onlyfans creator and the other one moonlights with a concert promoter, which has led to me getting media passes to take photos at music festivals and stuff. It's a pretty cool arrangement.

There. Now you can make a better "Dear Billboard."
 
2022-06-30 11:46:56 AM  
Farking milennials can't even make up their own music.  They just take others, then say they came up with it all by themselves.  "Oh, you listen to artists?   But we stream!  it's so much more organic."

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2022-06-30 11:53:12 AM  

likefunbutnot: Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

This story did not develop in the way I hoped.

My friends are dancers. I usually have one or two here because it's almost impossible for them to provide proof of income for a reputable landlord and I have more home than I actually use. Eventually, they work out something with somebody who has a normal job and they can move on.

One of the people in my place right now is a top 3% onlyfans creator and the other one moonlights with a concert promoter, which has led to me getting media passes to take photos at music festivals and stuff. It's a pretty cool arrangement.

There. Now you can make a better "Dear Billboard."


Wait, you mean to tell me you're Mike from Mike's Apartment?!?  They all told me it was just a silly fantasy but I always knew it was true!
 
2022-06-30 11:53:47 AM  
Growing up as a teenager in the 80's, WW2 generation always told us their music was better than ours, and we would understand that "when we matured". But their music never went back on to the charts.

Seeing Kate Bush, Queen and Fleetwood Mac in the top 5 makes me wonder if today's music really IS inferior. I hope that isn't the case; every generation deserves their own great music.
 
2022-06-30 11:54:12 AM  
Whatever.

There isn't an "alternative" bone in any of their bodies.

It's mainstream Boomer Classic Rock.
 
2022-06-30 11:58:26 AM  
I'm on team Christine and do not like Stevie.
 
2022-06-30 12:04:13 PM  

likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.


This is how it always was, you're just not part of the cultural group they are any more. Radio and MTV were used by your peer group but they told you what cool stuff they heard about and then you kept an ear out for it, just like you heard about some obscure band because someone you know had already heard them. Independent discovery was always a trailing reason for expanding your musical tastes.

I don't know where people are hearing anything new either, because I don't know where they're talking about it.
 
2022-06-30 12:04:59 PM  

Stud Gerbil: I'm on team Christine and do not like Stevie.


Are you Queen?
 
2022-06-30 12:09:52 PM  
I'm listening to the Gin Blossoms right now
 
2022-06-30 12:11:50 PM  

whidbey: Whatever.

There isn't an "alternative" bone in any of their bodies.

It's mainstream Boomer Classic Rock.


Mother Love Bone
 
2022-06-30 12:12:47 PM  

Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

This story did not develop in the way I hoped.

My friends are dancers. I usually have one or two here because it's almost impossible for them to provide proof of income for a reputable landlord and I have more home than I actually use. Eventually, they work out something with somebody who has a normal job and they can move on.

One of the people in my place right now is a top 3% onlyfans creator and the other one moonlights with a concert promoter, which has led to me getting media passes to take photos at music festivals and stuff. It's a pretty cool arrangement.

There. Now you can make a better "Dear Billboard."

Wait, you mean to tell me you're Mike from Mike's Apartment?!?  They all told me it was just a silly fantasy but I always knew it was true!


My friends aren't shy but I go out of my way to respect boundaries. It's more like the guy who makes pornhub videos of tucking in women and wishing them goodnight. On the other hand, my best friend is flying me in to spend the holiday weekend in Ybor City. It's not a one sided arrangement.

My life is definitely the premise for a situation comedy.
 
2022-06-30 12:17:51 PM  

Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"


That really isn't the case.

Gen Z is making record collecting cool again
 
2022-06-30 12:21:30 PM  

LewDux: Stud Gerbil: I'm on team Christine and do not like Stevie.

Are you Queen?


Christine & The Queens with Jools & His Rhythm & Blues Orchestra - Sign Your Name
Youtube EYfykAA01-s
 
2022-06-30 12:27:43 PM  

Stud Gerbil: I'm on team Christine and do not like Stevie.


Do you prefer your vanilla plain or plainer?
 
2022-06-30 12:33:17 PM  

Persnickety: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

This story did not develop in the way I hoped.


OP's username checks out.
 
2022-06-30 12:41:50 PM  

RolandTGunner: 1977 was a great year.


It was awesome, I'd shiat and puke on myself and somebody else had to clean it up, I could sleep like twenty hours a day and nobody called me lazy, got to suck on tits whenever I wanted...
 
2022-06-30 12:45:01 PM  

realmolo: "Rumors" is a great album, and it's eternal. There is nothing else like it, and there never will be. It scratches an itch that no other album scratches.


There are several topicals available over the counter to treat that itch
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2022-06-30 12:47:36 PM  

dereksmalls: realmolo: "Rumors" is a great album, and it's eternal. There is nothing else like it, and there never will be. It scratches an itch that no other album scratches.

There are several topicals available over the counter to treat that itch[Fark user image 500x500]


Oh Well....
 
2022-06-30 12:50:44 PM  

likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.


So you don't understand how Spotify works, thanks for your contribution, Gramps
 
2022-06-30 12:56:54 PM  

likefunbutnot: They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks.


The answer is right there. Spotify is just regurgitating the "hit" songs that the record companies are pushing out, same as radio did before. You still have a gatekeeper deciding what people should listen to and that in turn creates momentum which then translates into a self-reinforcing loop (this is popular so it should go in more playlists; wow, look how many people are listening to this in their playlists, it's so popular.)
 
2022-06-30 12:56:57 PM  

whidbey: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

That really isn't the case.

Gen Z is making record collecting cool again


Why I love the vinyl resurgence. The Stones recently released the complete set from their infamous 1977 El Mocambo shows. Would they have done this if there were not enough people willing to shell out $130 to get the four album set? Probably not. But I get the benefit of streaming it in hi-res as part of my Qobuz subscription.
 
2022-06-30 1:00:34 PM  

Shaggy_C: likefunbutnot: They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks.

The answer is right there. Spotify is just regurgitating the "hit" songs that the record companies are pushing out, same as radio did before. You still have a gatekeeper deciding what people should listen to and that in turn creates momentum which then translates into a self-reinforcing loop (this is popular so it should go in more playlists; wow, look how many people are listening to this in their playlists, it's so popular.)


Yeah, that's because nobody likes your favorite bands that they probably never hear of
 
2022-06-30 1:05:14 PM  

Alphax: I'm 51, but I discover a fair amount of new music from YouTube reactors.  I 'preorder' albums from Apple Music by adding them to my library, and they automatically show up on release day.

I'm really liking the new album from The Warning.  I'm not usually into hard rock lately, but these young ladies are really talented.


They did a set for TedX about five years ago. I remember looking down at my phone because I saw three children going on stage for the sound check. The first note led directly to "Sweet Child of Mine" and I am not sure I've ever applauded a sound check before or since. Talented indeed.
 
2022-06-30 1:07:49 PM  

chitownmike: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

So you don't understand how Spotify works, thanks for your contribution, Gramps


They're playing the same playlists over and over. I understand that if you let it, Spotify will play other things, but so far as I can tell, that never happens. They just random play from collections of maybe a few hundred tracks each.
 
2022-06-30 1:39:41 PM  
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2022-06-30 1:55:06 PM  

LewDux: Dear Billboard, I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis


And, who the F is this Bieber guy??
 
2022-06-30 2:25:01 PM  

chitownmike: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

So you don't understand how Spotify works, thanks for your contribution, Gramps


Spotify and things like it wind up just showing me the same stuff over and over again. New music means things that just came out and I'll listen to it to see if I like it or not without some computer telling me that I should like it because I liked some other stuff and it's similar. This algorithm BS is making my brains turn cardboard which stinks even if it's a personal greatest hits mix loop.

Yes, Rumors is a great album. I've heard it a zillion times. WHAT'S NEXT?
 
2022-06-30 2:29:53 PM  

Screaming Candle: chitownmike: likefunbutnot: Screaming Candle: And anyone under 30 is asking "what's an album and why should I care?"

I share my place with a couple 21 year old girls. I HAVE heard one of them listen to entire albums but for the most part I don't understand how they find new music. They live in Spotify, generally in playlists they already made, and neither of them has listened to the radio in all the time I've known them. Somehow they still know the hot new tracks. Neither one of them can explain how it happens. To me, it seems like actual memetics in action. Music comes into their lives by some kind of cultural osmosis.

So you don't understand how Spotify works, thanks for your contribution, Gramps

Spotify and things like it wind up just showing me the same stuff over and over again. New music means things that just came out and I'll listen to it to see if I like it or not without some computer telling me that I should like it because I liked some other stuff and it's similar. This algorithm BS is making my brains turn cardboard which stinks even if it's a personal greatest hits mix loop.

Yes, Rumors is a great album. I've heard it a zillion times. WHAT'S NEXT?


Fleetwood Mac's Greatest Hits Volume Eleventy11!?
 
2022-06-30 2:49:05 PM  
1976, 5 years before Marcos P

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Ahhh
 
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