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2022-06-29 11:06:17 PM  
So even table salt is smarter than anti-vaxxers.
 
2022-06-30 2:19:44 AM  
Here in BC you can't get a 2nd booster unless you're 70+ (or some other categories which don't include me). Also no word on if/when Canada will approve anything based on a more recent variant. Fortunately I still have a good supply of N95 masks and I can work from home.
 
2022-06-30 6:41:24 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Here in BC you can't get a 2nd booster unless you're 70+ (or some other categories which don't include me). Also no word on if/when Canada will approve anything based on a more recent variant. Fortunately I still have a good supply of N95 masks and I can work from home.


You're in BC, you're probably going to die from a flood or fire, maybe both, there is no point wasting our precious vaccines on you.
 
2022-06-30 6:45:23 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Here in BC you can't get a 2nd booster unless you're 70+ (or some other categories which don't include me). Also no word on if/when Canada will approve anything based on a more recent variant. Fortunately I still have a good supply of N95 masks and I can work from home.


In Ontario it's 60+, or if you are First Nation, Inuit, Metis, or live with someone who is.  As Doug's decided to cease any and all COVID prevention measures in this province and people have pretty much gone along with that, I'd really like a pre-fall booster shot that has been updated to target the current serious variants.
 
2022-06-30 7:08:21 AM  
In the US it's recommended fro 50+ or immune-compromised but doesn't say otherwise health people can't get it so if rules/pandemic doesn't change I'll get the family done in the fall when we get the flu shot.
 
2022-06-30 7:32:23 AM  
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Yet for some reason we are happy with a vaccine that might lower the death rate but does next to nothing towards preventing infection.
 
2022-06-30 7:37:20 AM  

Nidiot: Yet for some reason we are happy with a vaccine that might lower the death rate but does next to nothing towards preventing infection.


Erm... that's how vaccines work.  They're inside your body, they can't do anything until the thing you're vaccinated against is inside you too.

They only 'prevent infection' when enough people are vaccinated that the infection can no longer spread quickly enough and hop hosts effectively enough to continue.  Luckily, with enough anti-vaxx stupidity we can avoid that fate and stay at constant risk of infection for the rest of our lives!
 
2022-06-30 8:02:39 AM  
nacL not naci.
 
2022-06-30 8:15:54 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Ivo Shandor: Here in BC you can't get a 2nd booster unless you're 70+ (or some other categories which don't include me). Also no word on if/when Canada will approve anything based on a more recent variant. Fortunately I still have a good supply of N95 masks and I can work from home.

In Ontario it's 60+, or if you are First Nation, Inuit, Metis, or live with someone who is.  As Doug's decided to cease any and all COVID prevention measures in this province and people have pretty much gone along with that, I'd really like a pre-fall booster shot that has been updated to target the current serious variants.


That's what I'm banking on too is a booster showing up in August so I'm prepped for when I catch it in the fall from all my coworkers with kids going back to school in September.
 
2022-06-30 8:30:00 AM  
I'm not against getting a booster but I'm not sure I currently see the value in it either.

I know five people who caught COVID recently, me being one of them.  We were all double vaccinated and boosted.  Didn't matter, caught it anyway.

So why get a 2nd booster?  My immune system is as trained as it's going to be.  But despite that I'll probably get COVID again.  I know people who have caught it three times.
 
2022-06-30 8:48:33 AM  

SomeAmerican: I'm not against getting a booster but I'm not sure I currently see the value in it either.

I know five people who caught COVID recently, me being one of them.  We were all double vaccinated and boosted.  Didn't matter, caught it anyway.

So why get a 2nd booster?  My immune system is as trained as it's going to be. But despite that I'll probably get COVID again.  I know people who have caught it three times.


Bolded the part that's not true.  Corona viruses mutate and evolve through sheer propagation, the variants are particularly lucky-for-them-unlucky-for-us dice rolls that end up being able to get through our existing defense systems better then others.  The boosters are attempts to get ahead of the variants like this by prepped our defenses _before_ meeting one of those variants in the wild.

Its not perfect, but its better that your body recognizes one of these variants via training through a booster then encountering the real deal without such training.

Defense in depth.
 
2022-06-30 8:49:55 AM  

SomeAmerican: So why get a 2nd booster? My immune system is as trained as it's going to be.


So... listen to the doctors and get the first three doses, but when they say get a fourth suddenly you know more than they do?  How is it possible to be the kind of person who has - up until now apparently - been onboard with getting vaccinated without understanding that immunity isn't permanent or absolute?

Sure, you got COVID after getting vaccinated.  Now just try imagining how bad it might have been without those shots.  Even if they don't stop you from becoming symptomatic, they help your immune system fight off the infection faster so it doesn't get as severe at its peak.

Now think about how bad it could be in the future if your vaccination immunity fades a bit, or if a variant comes along that the fall booster (which you decided against) was more effective against.  Sure, your previous shots will help, but you'll get sicker than you had to, and increase your odds of getting some permanent lung, heart, or brain damage!
 
2022-06-30 8:51:44 AM  

SomeAmerican: I'm not against getting a booster but I'm not sure I currently see the value in it either.

I know five people who caught COVID recently, me being one of them.  We were all double vaccinated and boosted.  Didn't matter, caught it anyway.

So why get a 2nd booster?  My immune system is as trained as it's going to be.  But despite that I'll probably get COVID again.  I know people who have caught it three times.


I don't know anyone whose caught it (or admits they did). Apparently a couple anti-vaxxers that used to work with my wife have and one or two died from it.  We continue to take precautions and will continue to get boosters as available. And masks are very good at filtering out pollen.
 
2022-06-30 9:53:26 AM  
I was listening to an infectious diseases doctor from one of Canada's top hospitals this morning. His attitude was "boosters aren't really helping except to reduce symptoms so either get the shot or don't, because this thing is going to continue to evolve either way. Get used to it."

The thing that keeps many from taking the proper steps is inconsistent or unclear messaging. This won't help. On the other hand, if the doctor is right, there's probably not much point to any of this. Buckle up.
 
2022-06-30 10:01:19 AM  

bingethinker: So even table salt is smarter than anti-vaxxers.


Big pharma sit at home stockowners fully endorse advance shots......
 
2022-06-30 10:03:54 AM  

SomeAmerican: I'm not against getting a booster but I'm not sure I currently see the value in it either.

I know five people who caught COVID recently, me being one of them.  We were all double vaccinated and boosted.  Didn't matter, caught it anyway.

So why get a 2nd booster?  My immune system is as trained as it's going to be.  But despite that I'll probably get COVID again.  I know people who have caught it three times.


Why get boosters??

Sit at home big pharma stock owner would like a word with you......
 
2022-06-30 11:15:46 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Nidiot: Yet for some reason we are happy with a vaccine that might lower the death rate but does next to nothing towards preventing infection.

Erm... that's how vaccines work.  They're inside your body, they can't do anything until the thing you're vaccinated against is inside you too.

They only 'prevent infection' when enough people are vaccinated that the infection can no longer spread quickly enough and hop hosts effectively enough to continue.  Luckily, with enough anti-vaxx stupidity we can avoid that fate and stay at constant risk of infection for the rest of our lives!


Vaccines may not stop the very first cell from being infected, but they can sometimes shut down that infection before you experience any symptoms and before there's enough virus for you to transmit it to someone else. Some diseases are easier targets than others.

If you think back to late 2020 when the clinical trial results were published, we had a vaccine with 90-something percent efficacy at preventing symptomatic COVID. That was the primary endpoint of the trial. They also looked at subcategories like death or severe disease, but the main measurement was "did they get COVID?".

Today we have to settle for a consolation prize of having better odds of avoiding severe disease as long as we're within (x) months of the last booster. That's because the virus has spent the time evolving new and better ways to evade our immune response. Nobody wants to talk about the efficacy vs. symptomatic disease these days because that number is not great vs. Omicron.
 
2022-06-30 11:24:07 AM  

BumpInTheNight: SomeAmerican: I'm not against getting a booster but I'm not sure I currently see the value in it either.

I know five people who caught COVID recently, me being one of them.  We were all double vaccinated and boosted.  Didn't matter, caught it anyway.

So why get a 2nd booster?  My immune system is as trained as it's going to be. But despite that I'll probably get COVID again.  I know people who have caught it three times.

Bolded the part that's not true.  Corona viruses mutate and evolve through sheer propagation, the variants are particularly lucky-for-them-unlucky-for-us dice rolls that end up being able to get through our existing defense systems better then others.  The boosters are attempts to get ahead of the variants like this by prepped our defenses _before_ meeting one of those variants in the wild.

Its not perfect, but its better that your body recognizes one of these variants via training through a booster then encountering the real deal without such training.

Defense in depth.


We don't have variant-specific boosters yet. Every shot you get is more of the same Spike Classic from China, without even the early mutation which helped the virus sweep through Italy. The point of the current boosters is to pump up the levels of those old antibodies and hope that there is enough cross-reactivity to make a difference.

By the fall we might have something based on an early Omicron sequence, but we are not going to ever get ahead of the virus unless we also take measures (like masks and UV air sterilization) to bring down the global transmission rate. Viral evolution is winning the race for now.
 
2022-06-30 11:45:22 AM  

dennysgod: In the US it's recommended fro 50+ or immune-compromised but doesn't say otherwise health people can't get it so if rules/pandemic doesn't change I'll get the family done in the fall when we get the flu shot.


Immunocompromised here in the U.S. I had my three vaccinations, and two boosters, plus one shot each of tixagevimab and cilgavimab. I still work from home and wear my mask around people, even outside.

/Party outside at work yesterday. One person reported having COVID the next day. Not saying it was the party, but they were at the party.
 
2022-06-30 11:51:23 AM  

Ivo Shandor: We don't have variant-specific boosters yet. Every shot you get is more of the same Spike Classic from China, without even the early mutation which helped the virus sweep through Italy. The point of the current boosters is to pump up the levels of those old antibodies and hope that there is enough cross-reactivity to make a difference.

By the fall we might have something based on an early Omicron sequence, but we are not going to ever get ahead of the virus unless we also take measures (like masks and UV air sterilization) to bring down the global transmission rate. Viral evolution is winning the race for now.


I see, that's disappointing to learn about, back in March I swear I'd read press releases from the vaccines manufacturers about timelines to develop updated vaccines that were tailored to counter omicron for instance but then at least around these parts in (Ontario) all news about coronavirus just kind of dropped off as the election kicked up and our premier basically declared covid to be 'over', farking asshole he is.  That includes any news about further distributions of a 3rd booster that was pushed for the 60+ bracket but then just kind of vanished for the rest of us.  The hearsay was that the latest booster was not adding any tangible benefits and they stopped, but its just hearsay.  I did see a CTV article where our provincial lead was saying the rest of us younger ones were going to be told about a third booster in a few weeks.

Still thinking regardless of the origin, I'd appreciate a top-off before the kids go back to school in the fall and all their parents spread the inevitable rounds of diseases throughout the office spaces, again.
 
2022-06-30 9:18:26 PM  
Salt is NaCl, not NaCi. The headline joke doesn't quite work, unless it's Lmmunization.
 
2022-07-01 5:08:46 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Nidiot: Yet for some reason we are happy with a vaccine that might lower the death rate but does next to nothing towards preventing infection.

Erm... that's how vaccines work.  They're inside your body, they can't do anything until the thing you're vaccinated against is inside you too.

They only 'prevent infection' when enough people are vaccinated that the infection can no longer spread quickly enough and hop hosts effectively enough to continue. Luckily, with enough anti-vaxx stupidity we can avoid that fate and stay at constant risk of infection for the rest of our lives!


Here's the problem in a nutshell, we don't need anti-vaxxers the help keep this disease around, if absolutely everyone was vaccinated with this vaccine we'd still be contracting the virus and spreading it in sufficient quantities to do nothing at all towards eradicating it. Covid-19 is not going anywhere because after we get vaccinated we still get infected anyway. If the virus was sentient it would be thanking us.
 
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