Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Drive)   Nissan Titanfall   (thedrive.com) divider line
    More: Sad, Pickup truck, Nissan Titan, Nissan Motors, Ford Motor Company, Automotive industry, Toyota, engineering work, model year  
•       •       •

1893 clicks; posted to STEM » and Business » on 30 Jun 2022 at 2:20 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



39 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2022-06-29 9:22:11 PM  
Make it electric.
 
2022-06-29 9:25:40 PM  
They're ugly.
 
2022-06-29 10:14:12 PM  
I'm sure all 8 people who own one will be sad to see them go.
 
2022-06-30 2:30:37 AM  
Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.
 
2022-06-30 2:48:32 AM  

starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.


And they have bad (for a truck) fuel economy to boot. In terms of full size trucks they were solidly at the back of the pack.
 
2022-06-30 3:46:08 AM  

starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.


That Diesel V-8 engine was a rare misfire from Cummins. I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8, and that particular engine doesn't make a huge amount of power or torque for its displacement, reliability isn't good, and fuel economy for what you get is terrible.
 
2022-06-30 4:17:46 AM  
Bring back smaller trucks - like the '95 Hardbody (D21)

Fark user imageView Full Size

/The newer models are just too damned big.
 
2022-06-30 4:20:43 AM  
Nek minnit.

"Introducing the Nissan Olympian"
 
2022-06-30 4:27:35 AM  

My Sober Alt: Bring back smaller trucks - like the '95 Hardbody (D21)

[Fark user image 850x430]
/The newer models are just too damned big.


Could probably import one. They still make that family. It's the Nissan Navara elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Navara

Then again it's a Nissan ute and Nissan make shiat utes.

Better off bringing in a Hilux.

Or if you want even smaller, Holden made a ute until they were absorbed into Opel in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2022-06-30 4:28:22 AM  
I don't know why Nissan did so, but they made the Titan not particularly aesthetically pleasing. Even in the supposedly utilitarian world of trucks, looks matter. It would have been better if they had made the Titan unremarkable than the odd design they chose.

mrmopar5287: I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8


Inline six engines are long and tall and sometimes won't fit in the the allotted space.
 
2022-06-30 4:41:20 AM  

My Sober Alt: Bring back smaller trucks - like the '95 Hardbody (D21)

/The newer models are just too damned big.


https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116104_why-trucks-arent-a-cafe-problem-for-carmakers-despite-their-lobbying-claims
The corporate average fuel economy standards-known by their acronym, CAFE-were rewritten under President Obama both to set higher fuel-economy targets and to allow for changes in the "fleet" of cars American buyers put in their driveways.

The original CAFE standards, passed in 1975, separated cars from trucks. Automakers had to hit the same average fuel economy target, divided by every vehicle they sold.

The standards starting in 2012, however, divide cars and trucks into different sizes, known as "footprints" (the area bounded by the four wheels)-and it set lower targets for larger vehicles.


So the rules disincentivize small trucks compared to larger wheelbase trucks for manufacturers in the US market.
 
2022-06-30 4:41:52 AM  
Eh it's not exactly a compelling vehicle. It won't likely be missed. If i ran Nissan I'd probably try to do a platform sharing thing with another company if i wanted a truck. It just seems like their volume is far too low on their own to justify it, but if they worked with Toyota or Mitsubishi Fuso or Hino or something they may be better off.

Anyway i was kind of shocked at truck fuel economy. I was comparing my basic '94 GMC 1500 2WD w/ a 4.3 V6 and a 3-speed auto (rated 16-19 mpg) to late '00s trucks with similar specs (2wd, v6, auto) from various manufacturers including Toyota and they're still 16-20 mpg. I figured Toyota would be mid-20s combined at least, low 30s on the highway. But no: 17-21. So I guess I'll be keeping the old tan beast until it finally rusts out, since there are really no good reasons to replace it for another truck in the same class.
 
2022-06-30 4:47:59 AM  

dyhchong: My Sober Alt: Bring back smaller trucks - like the '95 Hardbody (D21)

[Fark user image 850x430]
/The newer models are just too damned big.

Could probably import one. They still make that family. It's the Nissan Navara elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Navara

Then again it's a Nissan ute and Nissan make shiat utes.

Better off bringing in a Hilux.

Or if you want even smaller, Holden made a ute until they were absorbed into Opel in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x444]


....until the factory was shut down and most of the design group disbanded.

(/personal family history with Holden's pre dates cars)

D21's are not too bad, I did the Simpson desert, trans line and a bit of the gun barrell a few times.

I think what nailed Nissan was the bloody ZD30. Stupid bloody engine.

People seem to think Nissan do good engines, they a horrible. The VG is a evil pain, the VQ worse. A's and L's suck, most of the rest I don't mind tho (soft spot for the MA and CA)

I drive a car with the "Nissan motor that must be worshipped" (RB) and unlike most people I'll be brutal about it shortcomings.
 
2022-06-30 4:49:02 AM  

mrmopar5287: starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.

That Diesel V-8 engine was a rare misfire from Cummins. I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8, and that particular engine doesn't make a huge amount of power or torque for its displacement, reliability isn't good, and fuel economy for what you get is terrible.


8's are for towing, 6's are for going...guess an 8 can't even do that....
 
2022-06-30 5:46:58 AM  
I don't know why Nissan exists anymore. They seem to have deliberately targeted their offering at the bottom of the barrel.

I guess there will always be someone who can't afford a Toyota or Honda but think they're too bourgeois for Hyundai or Kia, but that demographic is shrinking, because from what I gather, both of those companies run circles around Nissan in quality these days. And they are going after Infinity with their upmarket offerings now, too. I don't think anyone set on Lexus or Acura will switch to a Genesis, but your random Infiniti driver would.
 
2022-06-30 6:08:30 AM  

Boomstickz: I think what nailed Nissan was the bloody ZD30. Stupid bloody engine.

People seem to think Nissan do good engines, they a horrible. The VG is a evil pain, the VQ worse. A's and L's suck, most of the rest I don't mind tho (soft spot for the MA and CA)

I drive a car with the "Nissan motor that must be worshipped" (RB) and unlike most people I'll be brutal about it shortcomings.


Eh, you kind of have to compare them against similar engines: VG, VQ, etc are V6es with generally high output, often including turbos. Honda generally doesn't do turbos, and Toyota didn't offer a turbo V6. American V6es weren't great in terms of either performance or reliability (though people love the Buick 3800 I guess). BMW mostly did inline 6es. Who else is there? Mitsubishi engines are generally trash. Most people ignore Mazda. Mercedes? Not great, and they were only built from 98-17. Alfa? Maybe, but they're not exactly global. Peugot Citroen? Are you serious?
So really you're mostly comparing Nissan to NA offerings from Toyota and Honda here. I mean if i had a choice between a Mercedes C-class and a G35, I'd take the Infiniti. If i had to choose between the Pontiac G6 and a 350Z, I'd take the Nissan. If it was a choice between a Lexus or similar Acura with a V6 and a Maxima, I'd not choose the Nissan.

And the RB is a fine engine. It has its shortcomings, sure, but Id choose anything with an RB over any equivalent German car. At least when the RB does break you can afford to fix it without mortgaging your house. Again there's not a ton of competition for inline 6es, especially once turbos enter the picture: basically from 1996-2004 it was just Toyota, Nissan, and BMW, unless you were in Oz, then Fords were also an option. Of course there were other I6es such as the AMC 4-liter but that was basically only used in trucks after 1985, and none of these other engines (except maybe the Fords) saw use in trucks, so it's not really comparable.
A lot of what makes the RB so great is the Skyline, which is the main reason I'd want one. If i had a choice between an R34 GT-R or a gen 4 Supra, I'd take the Nissan. But if it was a lower trim Skyline like the GTS-t or something without AWD, I'd be sorely tempted by the Toyota (but would probably still go with the Nissan because the R34 is more visually appealing to me).

Now transmissions... yeah no. That alone is enough to not buy one. Their automatics have always been trash.

Tl;dr: Nissan can make a good engine when they want to, and if you compare like-for-like they're actually pretty good.
 
2022-06-30 6:16:50 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: Eh it's not exactly a compelling vehicle. It won't likely be missed. If i ran Nissan I'd probably try to do a platform sharing thing with another company if i wanted a truck. It just seems like their volume is far too low on their own to justify it, but if they worked with Toyota or Mitsubishi Fuso or Hino or something they may be better off.

Anyway i was kind of shocked at truck fuel economy. I was comparing my basic '94 GMC 1500 2WD w/ a 4.3 V6 and a 3-speed auto (rated 16-19 mpg) to late '00s trucks with similar specs (2wd, v6, auto) from various manufacturers including Toyota and they're still 16-20 mpg. I figured Toyota would be mid-20s combined at least, low 30s on the highway. But no: 17-21. So I guess I'll be keeping the old tan beast until it finally rusts out, since there are really no good reasons to replace it for another truck in the same class.


Just to confirm... you're talking full size trucks, right?  You thought a 15 year old Toyota Tundra would be getting better fuel economy than a 15 year old Camry with a 4 cylinder (2008 Camry rated at 21/31).

The major fuel economy gains didn't start to  arrive until 2008's price run-up had created some real price pressures, and 2012's revised CAFE standards arrived.

By the mid teens, Ford's aluminum framed F150 had arrived. If you were going newish, you could get a 2.7L F-150 or a C/K with small diesel and see some decent fuel economy. The physics are still going into be hard to manage - the aerodynamics are still a pain, you're still mounting a box on a ladder frame, etc.

But, it's also good to note that small numbers are big gains when you're looking at percentages  15 to 20 city is a 33% increase in fuel economy  20 to 26 highway is a 30% increase.  That's pretty significant  
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-06-30 6:32:37 AM  
It's just not as satisfying running over peaceful demonstrators with an import brand.
 
2022-06-30 6:49:16 AM  
Anecdotal, but my brother has told me that these are real popular in SC. Dunno what to make of that, csb.
 
2022-06-30 6:59:06 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: Boomstickz: I think what nailed Nissan was the bloody ZD30. Stupid bloody engine.

People seem to think Nissan do good engines, they a horrible. The VG is a evil pain, the VQ worse. A's and L's suck, most of the rest I don't mind tho (soft spot for the MA and CA)

I drive a car with the "Nissan motor that must be worshipped" (RB) and unlike most people I'll be brutal about it shortcomings.

Eh, you kind of have to compare them against similar engines: VG, VQ, etc are V6es with generally high output, often including turbos. Honda generally doesn't do turbos, and Toyota didn't offer a turbo V6. American V6es weren't great in terms of either performance or reliability (though people love the Buick 3800 I guess). BMW mostly did inline 6es. Who else is there? Mitsubishi engines are generally trash. Most people ignore Mazda. Mercedes? Not great, and they were only built from 98-17. Alfa? Maybe, but they're not exactly global. Peugot Citroen? Are you serious?
So really you're mostly comparing Nissan to NA offerings from Toyota and Honda here. I mean if i had a choice between a Mercedes C-class and a G35, I'd take the Infiniti. If i had to choose between the Pontiac G6 and a 350Z, I'd take the Nissan. If it was a choice between a Lexus or similar Acura with a V6 and a Maxima, I'd not choose the Nissan.

And the RB is a fine engine. It has its shortcomings, sure, but Id choose anything with an RB over any equivalent German car. At least when the RB does break you can afford to fix it without mortgaging your house. Again there's not a ton of competition for inline 6es, especially once turbos enter the picture: basically from 1996-2004 it was just Toyota, Nissan, and BMW, unless you were in Oz, then Fords were also an option. Of course there were other I6es such as the AMC 4-liter but that was basically only used in trucks after 1985, and none of these other engines (except maybe the Fords) saw use in trucks, so it's not really comparable.
A lot of what makes the RB so great is the Skyline, which is the main reason I'd want one. If i had a choice between an R34 GT-R or a gen 4 Supra, I'd take the Nissan. But if it was a lower trim Skyline like the GTS-t or something without AWD, I'd be sorely tempted by the Toyota (but would probably still go with the Nissan because the R34 is more visually appealing to me).

Now transmissions... yeah no. That alone is enough to not buy one. Their automatics have always been trash.

Tl;dr: Nissan can make a good engine when they want to, and if you compare like-for-like they're actually pretty good.


The RB's are bloody heavy things, plus the early ones (esp SOHC) did have a terrible rap for cylinder head issues.

Some of the other RB powered Nissan's less so...

I've bent more than a few RB engine parts and gearboxes (mainshaft lock bolt?). I don't have a Skyline, but a LW5 Holden Calais.

(LW5 is the GM engine code for a turbo RB 3 litre, its a factory fitment. I've got a few pics of RB prototypes in "buicks" somewhere)

I think here in Aus we were spoilt for so long with various motors and the Nissan V6's seemed a little exotic (quad cams and the like) plus a bit of a pain to work on....however Holden did (sorta) get away with it with the 3800 in the VN onwards.

(I can generate a wall of text bashing that bloody thing)

The big I6's in the Nissan Patrol like the TB's and TD's were (are) beloved and going to 4 cylinder turbo diesel really killed them sadly.
 
2022-06-30 7:32:08 AM  

mrmopar5287: starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.

That Diesel V-8 engine was a rare misfire from Cummins. I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8, and that particular engine doesn't make a huge amount of power or torque for its displacement, reliability isn't good, and fuel economy for what you get is terrible.


Because people in the US are idiots and think the V-configuration means more power.  Ford's I6 was known as the Poor Man's Diesel for a reason.  Chrysler's Slant-6 is one of the most bullet-proof engines ever made.
 
2022-06-30 8:15:31 AM  
Not a good week for Japanese pickups; there's now a recall on '06-'14 Honda Ridgelines because of fuel tank corrosion...
 
2022-06-30 8:36:07 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: mrmopar5287: starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.

That Diesel V-8 engine was a rare misfire from Cummins. I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8, and that particular engine doesn't make a huge amount of power or torque for its displacement, reliability isn't good, and fuel economy for what you get is terrible.

Because people in the US are idiots and think the V-configuration means more power.  Ford's I6 was known as the Poor Man's Diesel for a reason.  Chrysler's Slant-6 is one of the most bullet-proof engines ever made.


You rang?
 
2022-06-30 8:42:34 AM  

My Sober Alt: Bring back smaller trucks - like the '95 Hardbody (D21)

[Fark user image 850x430]
/The newer models are just too damned big.


There's a Titan down the street and not only doesn't it fit in the garage, it can't be parked on the driveway without blocking the sidewalk.
 
2022-06-30 9:20:48 AM  

Izunbacol: Just to confirm... you're talking full size trucks, right?  You thought a 15 year old Toyota Tundra would be getting better fuel economy than a 15 year old Camry with a 4 cylinder (2008 Camry rated at 21/31).

The major fuel economy gains didn't start to  arrive until 2008's price run-up had created some real price pressures, and 2012's revised CAFE standards arrived.

By the mid teens, Ford's aluminum framed F150 had arrived. If you were going newish, you could get a 2.7L F-150 or a C/K with small diesel and see some decent fuel economy. The physics are still going into be hard to manage - the aerodynamics are still a pain, you're still mounting a box on a ladder frame, etc.

But, it's also good to note that small numbers are big gains when you're looking at percentages  15 to 20 city is a 33% increase in fuel economy  20 to 26 highway is a 30% increase.  That's pretty significant  [Fark user image image 425x209]


Yeah trucks to trucks. Specifically, full-size low-end work trucks that can be had for under $5k (about what i paid for mine, under 60k miles, without substantial rust). Not many fit that bill, and i figure for a seldom used vehicle a very low purchase price with mediocre fuel economy is a better long term purchase than a very expensive vehicle with only a 30% improvement in fuel economy. I just figured there would be a larger improvement in 20 or 30 years, but i guess trucks were never really targets for big improvements in efficiency the way normal cars are.
 
2022-06-30 9:32:48 AM  
Chicken tax strikes again?
 
2022-06-30 10:03:50 AM  
I guess if I were in the market for a pickup, I'll probably go with an older TRD or a new Ridgeline.

/likely shows that I am not a pickup truck guy
 
2022-06-30 10:15:30 AM  

RolandTGunner: They're ugly.


This. I had a gen1 titan. 05 cc 4x4 tow package. Frame finally rusted through and welds holding the leaf springs brackets to frame cracked.

A few years before I remember being on the phone with the Nissan dealership and the sales woman on the phone asked me well what about a new Titan and I said to her they are sooooooo ugly and I could hear her shock that someone would just say that
 
2022-06-30 12:02:56 PM  

Boomstickz: mrmopar5287: starlost: Their specs aren't all that great if you really are planing to tow and have payload.

That Diesel V-8 engine was a rare misfire from Cummins. I can't figure out why a company that specializes in inline-6 engines would bother making a V-8, and that particular engine doesn't make a huge amount of power or torque for its displacement, reliability isn't good, and fuel economy for what you get is terrible.

8's are for towing, 6's are for going...guess an 8 can't even do that....


You've got that backwards. 8 for showing, 6 for towing!
 
2022-06-30 1:35:46 PM  

H31N0US: I don't know why Nissan exists anymore.


At one point recently they were the only manufacturer other than GM that offered a vehicle in early every category:
Small car
Medium car
Large car
Minivan
SUVs
Medium truck
Large truck
Medium van
Large van
Etc.
 
2022-06-30 2:47:08 PM  
Nissan commercials always make me cringe.
 
2022-06-30 4:51:34 PM  

EvilVanMan: Nissan commercials always make me cringe.


Not this one.
Nissan commercial VAN HALEN (Enhanced + variations)
Youtube c4HQmuNEZak
 
2022-06-30 8:55:16 PM  

Befuddled: Inline six engines are long and tall and sometimes won't fit in the the allotted space.


BMW didn't have this problem for like 75 years so far.
 
2022-06-30 8:56:19 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Because people in the US are idiots and think the V-configuration means more power. Ford's I6 was known as the Poor Man's Diesel for a reason. Chrysler's Slant-6 is one of the most bullet-proof engines ever made.


It was a shame GM didn't offer the Atlas I-6 engine in the full-size trucks.
 
2022-06-30 10:22:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: Befuddled: Inline six engines are long and tall and sometimes won't fit in the the allotted space.

BMW didn't have this problem for like 75 years so far.


Yeah by tilting the bloody things over, no meat on the front and rear of the motor, throwing the front wheels forward and using a short gearbox....
 
2022-06-30 10:35:46 PM  

sensitive yet dangerous: Anyway i was kind of shocked at truck fuel economy. I was comparing my basic '94 GMC 1500 2WD w/ a 4.3 V6 and a 3-speed auto (rated 16-19 mpg) to late '00s trucks with similar specs (2wd, v6, auto) from various manufacturers including Toyota and they're still 16-20 mpg. I figured Toyota would be mid-20s combined at least, low 30s on the highway. But no: 17-21. So I guess I'll be keeping the old tan beast until it finally rusts out, since there are really no good reasons to replace it for another truck in the same class.


That GM 4.3 V6 is a better engine than a lot of people realize.  It's almost a secret really.
 
2022-06-30 10:38:52 PM  

Boomstickz: mrmopar5287: Befuddled: Inline six engines are long and tall and sometimes won't fit in the the allotted space.

BMW didn't have this problem for like 75 years so far.

Yeah by tilting the bloody things over, no meat on the front and rear of the motor, throwing the front wheels forward and using a short gearbox....


Volvo and Suzuki (and maybe others) made it happen in traverse layouts. I'm sure it could be done.
 
2022-07-01 9:29:37 AM  

studebaker hoch: sensitive yet dangerous: Anyway i was kind of shocked at truck fuel economy. I was comparing my basic '94 GMC 1500 2WD w/ a 4.3 V6 and a 3-speed auto (rated 16-19 mpg) to late '00s trucks with similar specs (2wd, v6, auto) from various manufacturers including Toyota and they're still 16-20 mpg. I figured Toyota would be mid-20s combined at least, low 30s on the highway. But no: 17-21. So I guess I'll be keeping the old tan beast until it finally rusts out, since there are really no good reasons to replace it for another truck in the same class.

That GM 4.3 V6 is a better engine than a lot of people realize.  It's almost a secret really.


It's a 350 with 2 cylinders cut off .
 
2022-07-01 1:00:34 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: studebaker hoch: sensitive yet dangerous: Anyway i was kind of shocked at truck fuel economy. I was comparing my basic '94 GMC 1500 2WD w/ a 4.3 V6 and a 3-speed auto (rated 16-19 mpg) to late '00s trucks with similar specs (2wd, v6, auto) from various manufacturers including Toyota and they're still 16-20 mpg. I figured Toyota would be mid-20s combined at least, low 30s on the highway. But no: 17-21. So I guess I'll be keeping the old tan beast until it finally rusts out, since there are really no good reasons to replace it for another truck in the same class.

That GM 4.3 V6 is a better engine than a lot of people realize.  It's almost a secret really.

It's a 350 with 2 cylinders cut off .


Yes, a lot of the parts are interchangeable.  Because it makes 75% of the power but is 100% of the strength, those engines last for hundreds of thousands of miles.   Straighten out the exhaust, add the roller rockers they should have shipped with (already have the roller cam, WTF GM) and port the heads and they wake right up.
 
Displayed 39 of 39 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.