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(Fox 10 Phoenix)   Last year, Grand Canyon National Park received 45,000 volunteer applications to cull bison with guns; the results were so underwhelming they're going to skip the entire exercise this fall   (fox10phoenix.com) divider line
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2022-06-29 7:19:17 PM  
Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison.

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2022-06-29 7:20:18 PM  
Good.

F*ck that shiat.
 
2022-06-29 7:33:03 PM  
Bless the Beasts and the Children
 
2022-06-29 7:40:59 PM  
Buffalo hunting' ain't easy.

Read American Buffalo by Steve Rinella
 
2022-06-29 7:51:35 PM  
Bison are dangerous enough on their own. Now they have guns?
 
2022-06-29 7:53:21 PM  

maxandgrinch: Buffalo hunting' ain't easy.

Read American Buffalo by Steve Rinella


In Montana, tribal members can get a permit to harvest 2 bison, 2 elk, 2 deer and 2 antelope each year.  Different conditions and environment.
 
2022-06-29 8:00:52 PM  
"Introducing the sound of gunfire and having people close to the bison was meant to nudge the massive animals back to the adjacent forest where they legally could be hunted. But the efforts had little effect.
"They just kind of moved a bit from where the activity occurred, and sometimes they'd come back the next day," said Grand Canyon wildfire program manager Greg Holm."

Bison don't give a fark.
 
2022-06-29 8:31:36 PM  
Wow. Peak America.

We need to "nudge" them to where we can hunt them. Get the guns.

Oh wait, who doesn't love a good cull contest!?

(one of) The stupidest animals alive didn't take our SUBTLE hint about not coming back to these parts.
 
2022-06-29 8:32:09 PM  
This year theyre just going to herd them up and stampede them off a cliff like in the good ol days.
 
2022-06-29 8:34:18 PM  

little big man: Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison.

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You left off the best part.

Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison. Although the animals are massive, they're quick and agile and can hide among thick stands of trees.
 
2022-06-29 8:34:25 PM  
Yeah, people think that animal herds can reproduce exponentially and everything will be just fine, ironically enough while usually whining about over-population.

People aren't actually smart. Hunting serves as a way to keep animal populations in balance, and the Buffalo herd at the North Rim was already a subject of discussion when I worked there in '97. The herd wasn't too big then, but it was already known that someday they would have to use some kjnd of mitigation efforts.
 
2022-06-29 8:35:22 PM  

chewd: This year theyre just going to herd them up and stampede them off a cliff like in the good ol days.


You think that the Grand Canyon has a cliff someplace?
 
2022-06-29 8:36:14 PM  
"State Park solicits volunteers to participate in half baked plan that didn't work"
 
2022-06-29 8:36:40 PM  

ArkPanda: "Introducing the sound of gunfire and having people close to the bison was meant to nudge the massive animals back to the adjacent forest where they legally could be hunted. But the efforts had little effect.
"They just kind of moved a bit from where the activity occurred, and sometimes they'd come back the next day," said Grand Canyon wildfire program manager Greg Holm."

Bison don't give a fark.


That's why they were so easy to nearly wipe out the first time.
 
2022-06-29 8:36:47 PM  
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2022-06-29 8:36:58 PM  
In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.
 
2022-06-29 8:38:08 PM  
Makes me feel better about the gun ratio verses us in Sweden. We could probably take you out, guns don't mean much if you can't shoot.
 
2022-06-29 8:38:27 PM  

WelldeadLink: chewd: This year theyre just going to herd them up and stampede them off a cliff like in the good ol days.

You think that the Grand Canyon has a cliff someplace?


I understand theres one or two.
 
2022-06-29 8:45:57 PM  

WelldeadLink: chewd: This year theyre just going to herd them up and stampede them off a cliff like in the good ol days.

You think that the Grand Canyon has a cliff someplace?


The problem is that the North Rim is higher, so they just bounce back up onto the South Rim where they're even more destructive.
 
2022-06-29 8:47:59 PM  

Nirbo: Wow. Peak America.

We need to "nudge" them to where we can hunt them. Get the guns.

Oh wait, who doesn't love a good cull contest!?

(one of) The stupidest animals alive didn't take our SUBTLE hint about not coming back to these parts.


Because the stupid humans keep feeding them human food, which is super sweet and tasty. They don't even have to work for it.

Shoot a few humans, leave the corpses near the bison. They understand "dead animal smell".

Or bring in some wolves.
 
2022-06-29 8:50:12 PM  

WelldeadLink: chewd: This year theyre just going to herd them up and stampede them off a cliff like in the good ol days.

You think that the Grand Canyon has a cliff someplace?


Give them some of that Grand Canyon norovirus that's running around right now.

A bison with projectile shiats would keep the stupid humans away.
 
2022-06-29 8:50:48 PM  
American guns, bye son.
 
2022-06-29 8:51:25 PM  

ArkPanda: "Introducing the sound of gunfire and having people close to the bison was meant to nudge the massive animals back to the adjacent forest where they legally could be hunted. But the efforts had little effect.
"They just kind of moved a bit from where the activity occurred, and sometimes they'd come back the next day," said Grand Canyon wildfire program manager Greg Holm."

Bison don't give a fark.


It's kinda f*cked up to be like "We can't murder them here, but if we spook them enough to move over a bit, then we can murder them."
 
2022-06-29 8:51:46 PM  
Good. Leave the goddamn bison alone.
 
2022-06-29 8:51:52 PM  

Drunken Rampage: Bison are dangerous enough on their own. Now they have guns?


Fortunately they're a pretty bad shot, so the 75 yard rule still applies.
 
2022-06-29 8:52:10 PM  
Everyone thinks hunting buffalo is easy. I'd put it up there with hunting mountain sheep. It's farking tough. Then once you find some shooters you have to decide if it is too far away to pack the meat because those farkers are huge and packing one out is a big endeavor.

It's not like the old buffalo jumps of the 1800s
 
2022-06-29 8:52:20 PM  

ArkPanda: "Introducing the sound of gunfire and having people close to the bison was meant to nudge the massive animals back to the adjacent forest where they legally could be hunted. But the efforts had little effect.
"They just kind of moved a bit from where the activity occurred, and sometimes they'd come back the next day," said Grand Canyon wildfire program manager Greg Holm."

Bison don't give a fark.


American Bison are about 10% larger than Cape Buffalo. Cape Buffalo are considered 1 of the 5 most deadly hunts. I'm honestly surprised that none of the intrepid hunters died.
 
2022-06-29 8:55:46 PM  

Drunken Rampage: Bison are dangerous enough on their own. Now they have guns?


It's the spin attack you really gotta watch out for.

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2022-06-29 8:58:17 PM  

hissatsu: In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.


I wonder who counted them back in 1500.

These are big destructive animals. Once there was room for 10s of millions but not now.
 
2022-06-29 8:58:34 PM  
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2022-06-29 9:01:03 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, people think that animal herds can reproduce exponentially and everything will be just fine, ironically enough while usually whining about over-population.

People aren't actually smart. Hunting serves as a way to keep animal populations in balance, and the Buffalo herd at the North Rim was already a subject of discussion when I worked there in '97. The herd wasn't too big then, but it was already known that someday they would have to use some kjnd of mitigation efforts.


It's their land. We're just using our cattle on it.
 
2022-06-29 9:02:09 PM  
I am really craving a Bison steak now. I lack a freezer big enough to hold the rest of the carcass though.
 
2022-06-29 9:07:35 PM  

zeaper12: hissatsu: In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.

I wonder who counted them back in 1500.

These are big destructive animals. Once there was room for 10s of millions but not now.


I don't know, we could probably stand to lose  65 million people. Bison don't take up anywhere near the footprint humans do either, so I don't know what you're talking about "destructive."
 
2022-06-29 9:09:58 PM  
They're practically giving away wolf hunting tags up north.  Come see us.

A person can take up to 20 wolves with no more than 10 via hunting and no more than 10 via trapping (maximum harvest of 20 wolves per person). For hunting, a separate license is required for each wolf. For trapping, only a Trapping License is required.
Trapping is authorized upon completion of a mandatory one-time wolf-trapping certification course.
A Wolf License is available over the counter at all Fish, Wildlife & Parks offices, License Providers, and through the Online Licensing System.
Details:With Resident Sportsman or Nonresident Combination license, 1st wolf license.
Fees:
Resident:
$10
Nonresident: $25

Details: Without Resident Sportsman or Nonresident Combination license, wolf licenses 2-10.
Fees:
Resident
: $12
Nonresident: $50

You can personally thank this dickhead for that one

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Poor Gweggie killed a wolf he wasn't supposed to, so now we don't have any laws
 
2022-06-29 9:11:37 PM  

zeaper12: hissatsu: In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.

I wonder who counted them back in 1500.

These are big destructive animals. Once there was room for 10s of millions but not now.


How about if we made room by culling a million or so shiatty cousin f**king Idaho rednecks?
 
2022-06-29 9:12:36 PM  

MoparPower: guns don't mean much if you can't shoot.


Americans have always been about volume of fire, not accuracy. That's not a good thing.
 
2022-06-29 9:15:57 PM  

cryinoutloud: They're practically giving away wolf hunting tags up north.  Come see us.

A person can take up to 20 wolves with no more than 10 via hunting and no more than 10 via trapping (maximum harvest of 20 wolves per person). For hunting, a separate license is required for each wolf. For trapping, only a Trapping License is required.
Trapping is authorized upon completion of a mandatory one-time wolf-trapping certification course.
A Wolf License is available over the counter at all Fish, Wildlife & Parks offices, License Providers, and through the Online Licensing System.
Details:With Resident Sportsman or Nonresident Combination license, 1st wolf license.
Fees:
Resident: $10
Nonresident: $25

Details: Without Resident Sportsman or Nonresident Combination license, wolf licenses 2-10.
Fees:
Resident: $12
Nonresident: $50

You can personally thank this dickhead for that one

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Poor Gweggie killed a wolf he wasn't supposed to, so now we don't have any laws


Ask him how Tuscany was.
 
2022-06-29 9:24:35 PM  
YES!!! YES!!!!!
 
2022-06-29 9:39:23 PM  
Did anybody ever figure out who gave the guns to the bison?
 
2022-06-29 9:45:38 PM  

hissatsu: In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.


I pray every day to uncle joe that he operation warp speeds the cloning of the passenger pigeon.  When chicago is covered in an inch over bird poo over the course of a week, we will know nature has been restored.
 
2022-06-29 9:45:42 PM  

jso2897: zeaper12: hissatsu: In 1500 there were an estimated 35 million to 65 million bison in North America. We managed to get their numbers down to a few hundred by the late 1800s. Now we've got their numbers all the way up to a whopping 500,000 or so. Only about 30,000 are wild, the rest are mostly livestock. So obviously we need to cull the wild ones.

I wonder who counted them back in 1500.

These are big destructive animals. Once there was room for 10s of millions but not now.

How about if we made room by culling a million or so shiatty cousin f**king Idaho rednecks?


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2022-06-29 9:51:32 PM  

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farking hipsters.
 
2022-06-29 9:52:26 PM  

Klyukva: little big man: Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison.

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You left off the best part.

Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison. Although the animals are massive, they're quick and agile and can hide among thick stands of trees.


Best part for me was the reason for doing it

trampling meadows and archaeological sites on the canyon's North Rim

The messed up grass and our researching dead things.... they killed them to research things long gone.

The bar for killing animals due to inconvenience is very low
 
2022-06-29 9:56:35 PM  
Article doesn't mention what was done to the carcasses.
 
2022-06-29 9:59:45 PM  
Not sure if shooting Bison is gonna be effective, TBH

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2022-06-29 10:04:56 PM  

ArkPanda: "Introducing the sound of gunfire and having people close to the bison was meant to nudge the massive animals back to the adjacent forest where they legally could be hunted. But the efforts had little effect.
"They just kind of moved a bit from where the activity occurred, and sometimes they'd come back the next day," said Grand Canyon wildfire program manager Greg Holm."

Bison don't give a fark.


I gave you a funny because beer came out of my nose.
Also, damn you.
 
2022-06-29 10:06:18 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Article doesn't mention what was done to the carcasses.


FTFA: "A controversial pilot project last fall sought skilled volunteers to shoot up to 12 of the animals. More than 45,000 people applied for the chance. Ultimately, 10 were picked, and they were able to kill four bison."

From the animals they shot, they got 894 pounds of meat. Unfortunately, they were only able to carry 100 pounds back to the wagon.
 
2022-06-29 10:08:05 PM  
Can we do this with humans?
 
2022-06-29 10:16:02 PM  
I gotta admit, I'm a little pissed off.  I was born on the Ft. Peck reservation, and shortly after the family moved back to the ranch in Bainville, MT.  Teddy Roosevelt, where much of the preservation work with bison took place in the 1980s.  We were a ranch family, so when DoI needed help, we'd trailer up the horses and help out for a few days bringing the Bison in, or tending calving season.

These were the animals that rebuilt bison herds in America.  Yes, they're big, cranky and generally not much fun.  But they belong here more than apple pie.

45,000 signed up to cull this herd who was there long before we were.

How many signed up to saddle up and manage them?
 
2022-06-29 10:23:01 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: Can we do this with humans?


Soon, the way things are going.
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