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2022-06-29 8:41:17 PM  
Has Wisconsin always been this screwed up and I just never noticed before?
 
2022-06-29 9:09:54 PM  
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Can't they just revoke his diplomatic immunity?

/gettin' too old for this shiat.
 
2022-06-29 9:13:09 PM  
Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.
 
2022-06-29 9:21:19 PM  
In the ruling, Supreme Court Chief Justice Annette Ziegler said in the majority opinion that the expiration of a term does not create a vacancy

Doesn't this fly in the face of nearly 250 years of American law?
 
2022-06-29 9:22:28 PM  

question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.


Political Calvinball.
 
2022-06-29 9:22:50 PM  
Oh, I see, Wisconsin just does its own thing.
 
2022-06-29 9:43:52 PM  
According to the ruling, vacancies are only created by death, resignation or the removal of an incumbent.
 
2022-06-29 9:44:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Has Wisconsin always been this screwed up and I just never noticed before?


When Wisconsin went red several years ago, Governor Walker and his minions wrote the playbook for the RNC. Gerrymander the state all to hell, pack the courts, and instruct appointees on how to stay in office well past when they belong.
 
2022-06-29 9:45:41 PM  
According to the ruling, vacancies are only created by death, resignation or the removal of an incumbent.

WHAT? Expiration of term is automatic removal of the incumbent.
 
2022-06-29 10:13:08 PM  
The SC(r)OTUS has no interest in taking on these kinds of cases.

I wonder why.
 
2022-06-30 2:10:02 AM  
I get it.  Sometimes times are tough and you have to stick it out at a job where you're clearly not wanted.
 
2022-06-30 2:18:54 AM  
What in the literal fark is that reasoning?!  His term has expired but he hasn't vacated the office so...it doesn't matter?  Am I taking crazy pills here?
 
2022-06-30 2:21:43 AM  

vrax: What in the literal fark is that reasoning?!  His term has expired but he hasn't vacated the office so...it doesn't matter?  Am I taking crazy pills here?


Many rules are written expecting people to adhere to societal norms or behavioral precedent.  We now live in a world where people take pride in flaunting those rules, in order to cling to power.
 
2022-06-30 2:21:43 AM  

vrax: What in the literal fark is that reasoning?!  His term has expired but he hasn't vacated the office so...it doesn't matter?  Am I taking crazy pills here?


WI Republicans are the partisan equivalent of crackheads and will do absolutely ANYTHING short of getting actual wet blood on their own hands to gain, keep, and abuse power.
 
2022-06-30 2:25:30 AM  

puffy999: In the ruling, Supreme Court Chief Justice Annette Ziegler said in the majority opinion that the expiration of a term does not create a vacancy

Doesn't this fly in the face of nearly 250 years of American law?


Sounds like a nice relaxing coma you've been in
 
2022-06-30 2:25:45 AM  

foo monkey: vrax: What in the literal fark is that reasoning?!  His term has expired but he hasn't vacated the office so...it doesn't matter?  Am I taking crazy pills here?

Many rules are written expecting people to adhere to societal norms or behavioral precedent.  We now live in a world where people take pride in flaunting those rules, in order to cling to power.


It's nice to know that they allow squatters.  There are plenty of homeless people who can live there now.  Yay!
 
2022-06-30 2:26:17 AM  
Prehn has justified his decision to remain on the board based on a 1964 state Supreme Court decision that says appointed board members can remain seated after their term expires until a replacement is confirmed by the state Senate. That case was upheld with the Wednesday ruling.

The statute Prehn is using to retain his seat has been used two other times by board members: Jim Tiefenthaler Jr. and Steven Willett in the 2000s.
 
2022-06-30 2:26:26 AM  
So they have chosen death
 
2022-06-30 2:29:20 AM  
Sounds like Wisconsin should legislate some changes to their law to make it unmistakably clear that the end of a term means a vacancy gets created.
 
2022-06-30 2:29:21 AM  

question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.


The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.
 
2022-06-30 2:30:51 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.

The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.


Well, yes. The problem is that a Republican-controlled state legislature is unlikely to pass that law.
 
2022-06-30 2:36:04 AM  

qorkfiend: the money is in the banana stand: question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.

The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.

Well, yes. The problem is that a Republican-controlled state legislature is unlikely to pass that law.


How do other States get around this, or is this indicative of what is to come or is this happening elsewhere? Seems like a major problem when partisan politics can just arbitrarily deny any and all cabinet nominations indefinitely.
 
2022-06-30 2:39:44 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: qorkfiend: the money is in the banana stand: question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.

The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.

Well, yes. The problem is that a Republican-controlled state legislature is unlikely to pass that law.

How do other States get around this, or is this indicative of what is to come or is this happening elsewhere? Seems like a major problem when partisan politics can just arbitrarily deny any and all cabinet nominations indefinitely.


No idea, TBH, and yes, something of a problem.
 
2022-06-30 2:49:20 AM  

GardenWeasel: According to the ruling, vacancies are only created by death, resignation or the removal of an incumbent.

WHAT? Expiration of term is automatic removal of the incumbent.


Not anymore. Apparently.
 
2022-06-30 2:49:47 AM  
I think it's time for us to stop listening to judges
 
2022-06-30 2:50:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Has Wisconsin always been this screwed up and I just never noticed before?


on the local, state, and national level, so many of our "rules" were "gentlemen's agreement" style. Written with the erroneous assumption people will act in good faith. Republicans, as they lose the popular vote, have begun to weaponize the "technicalities" of government. Furthermore, their incredible success at gaining the dominance of judiciary branch for the next 30 years has guaranteed there will be no other branch of government to balance them out. If they cannot seize the executive, they use the courts and legislature to neuter the executive, which is what they did in wisconsin,

The only way to change most of the gentlemen's rules require the consent of the minority, which is never going to happen because republicans hate democrats with every fiber of their being... and the democratic base are not exactly very fond of the republicans since 2016.

As I have stated before, republicans may be less popular today, but they are more powerful than ever and they seek not to govern and build, but to destroy and pillage. Which is far easier to do.
 
2022-06-30 2:50:36 AM  
Blue State Confederacy
 
2022-06-30 3:01:36 AM  
If he's Do Not Resuscitate, I can't imagine the seat remaining filled for all that long.
 
2022-06-30 3:01:37 AM  
I think Wisconsin needs to hit the reset switch. This is the state supreme court saying Republican political appointees are now life time appointments?

So the governor has no authority to fire one of them? What if they run someone over drunk driving or, *GASP*, get caught paying for their rape victim's mistress' abortion?

If that's the case, then does a republican appointee then have the right to disregard any laws that would remove them from office, essentially making them..uhm..dukes..or regional lords or whatever? A monarchy. Wisconsin is heading toward a monarchy. Which is just authoritarian rule with fancier dinner parties.

This is stupid. You're stupid Wisconsin. Stop being stupid and just make cheese. Idiots.
 
2022-06-30 3:04:02 AM  

puffy999: In the ruling, Supreme Court Chief Justice Annette Ziegler said in the majority opinion that the expiration of a term does not create a vacancy

Doesn't this fly in the face of nearly 250 years of American law?


I see the problem, you think the GoP gives a damn about the law.
 
2022-06-30 3:27:32 AM  
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2022-06-30 3:27:44 AM  
... These chuclefarks don't realize that it only takes one person finally being pushed too far to decide 'well, fine, I guess I'll CREATE A VACANCY then.', do they.
 
2022-06-30 3:41:02 AM  

Felgraf: ... These chuclefarks don't realize that it only takes one person finally being pushed too far to decide 'well, fine, I guess I'll CREATE A VACANCY then.', do they.


They do. They won't confirm Evers' nominee in that case, either.
 
2022-06-30 4:04:45 AM  

Felgraf: ... These chuclefarks don't realize that it only takes one person finally being pushed too far to decide 'well, fine, I guess I'll CREATE A VACANCY then.', do they.


Why the fark do you think fascists love paramilitary groups and the military?  They want to be the good guys in the mind of the armed radicals.
 
2022-06-30 4:46:37 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Has Wisconsin always been this screwed up and I just never noticed before?


Probably
 
2022-06-30 4:49:35 AM  

saywhonow: I think Wisconsin needs to hit the reset switch. This is the state supreme court saying Republican political appointees are now life time appointments?

So the governor has no authority to fire one of them? What if they run someone over drunk driving or, *GASP*, get caught paying for their rape victim's mistress' abortion?

If that's the case, then does a republican appointee then have the right to disregard any laws that would remove them from office, essentially making them..uhm..dukes..or regional lords or whatever? A monarchy. Wisconsin is heading toward a monarchy. Which is just authoritarian rule with fancier dinner parties.

This is stupid. You're stupid Wisconsin. Stop being stupid and just make cheese. Idiots.


We do need a complete reset. The problem is they have a little over forty percent of the vote locked in, and the way things are gerrymandered we need to win about 65-35 to change anything. It makes me want to scream. Our 1849 abortion law is one of the most grotesque in the nation. It literally says three doctors have to agree that an abortion is medically necessary to save the mother's life. No exemptions for rape victims, even if they were 12 and the rapist was her dad
 
2022-06-30 5:22:04 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: saywhonow: I think Wisconsin needs to hit the reset switch. This is the state supreme court saying Republican political appointees are now life time appointments?

So the governor has no authority to fire one of them? What if they run someone over drunk driving or, *GASP*, get caught paying for their rape victim's mistress' abortion?

If that's the case, then does a republican appointee then have the right to disregard any laws that would remove them from office, essentially making them..uhm..dukes..or regional lords or whatever? A monarchy. Wisconsin is heading toward a monarchy. Which is just authoritarian rule with fancier dinner parties.

This is stupid. You're stupid Wisconsin. Stop being stupid and just make cheese. Idiots.

We do need a complete reset. The problem is they have a little over forty percent of the vote locked in, and the way things are gerrymandered we need to win about 65-35 to change anything. It makes me want to scream. Our 1849 abortion law is one of the most grotesque in the nation. It literally says three doctors have to agree that an abortion is medically necessary to save the mother's life. No exemptions for rape victims, even if they were 12 and the rapist was her dad


If only we had federal law that protected against unfair gerrymandering and electioneering practices..
 
2022-06-30 5:27:15 AM  

saywhonow: ghostfacekillahrabbit: saywhonow: I think Wisconsin needs to hit the reset switch. This is the state supreme court saying Republican political appointees are now life time appointments?

So the governor has no authority to fire one of them? What if they run someone over drunk driving or, *GASP*, get caught paying for their rape victim's mistress' abortion?

If that's the case, then does a republican appointee then have the right to disregard any laws that would remove them from office, essentially making them..uhm..dukes..or regional lords or whatever? A monarchy. Wisconsin is heading toward a monarchy. Which is just authoritarian rule with fancier dinner parties.

This is stupid. You're stupid Wisconsin. Stop being stupid and just make cheese. Idiots.

We do need a complete reset. The problem is they have a little over forty percent of the vote locked in, and the way things are gerrymandered we need to win about 65-35 to change anything. It makes me want to scream. Our 1849 abortion law is one of the most grotesque in the nation. It literally says three doctors have to agree that an abortion is medically necessary to save the mother's life. No exemptions for rape victims, even if they were 12 and the rapist was her dad

If only we had federal law that protected against unfair gerrymandering and electioneering practices..


Would be nice.
 
2022-06-30 6:24:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Has Wisconsin always been this screwed up and I just never noticed before?


wisconsin was once the shining example of progressive state governance. the led the way in turning this country into the shiathole it currently is.
 
2022-06-30 6:26:13 AM  

foo monkey: I get it.  Sometimes times are tough and you have to stick it out at a job where you're clearly not wanted.


george costanza.jpg:

is that wrong?
 
2022-06-30 6:27:11 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: qorkfiend: the money is in the banana stand: question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.

The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.

Well, yes. The problem is that a Republican-controlled state legislature is unlikely to pass that law.

How do other States get around this, or is this indicative of what is to come or is this happening elsewhere? Seems like a major problem when partisan politics can just arbitrarily deny any and all cabinet nominations indefinitely.


Wisconsinite here. We've been screaming about shiat like this since Walker took office. We've been the GOP test site since 2010. If you see them pull it off here, you can count on them expanding it to other states.

We had a chance to rein them in, but it wasn't nice to recall someone mid-term.
 
2022-06-30 6:28:32 AM  

jjorsett: Sounds like Wisconsin should legislate some changes to their law to make it unmistakably clear that the end of a term means a vacancy gets created.


yeah, and congress should get a constitutional amendment passed codifying women's rights.
 
2022-06-30 6:29:42 AM  

Liadan: the money is in the banana stand: qorkfiend: the money is in the banana stand: question_dj: Fascinating. The governor should claim he doesn't have to vacate the office when his term is over.

The difference is the governor is voted on by the people. Holding a cabinet position is different since it is not a direct election. Seems to me that there needs to be a provisional cause which forces the Senate to approve the governor's cabinet in a set amount of time, otherwise the position must be vacated. Additionally, there should also be a maximum amount of time any one position can be vacant before it has to be filled.

Well, yes. The problem is that a Republican-controlled state legislature is unlikely to pass that law.

How do other States get around this, or is this indicative of what is to come or is this happening elsewhere? Seems like a major problem when partisan politics can just arbitrarily deny any and all cabinet nominations indefinitely.

Wisconsinite here. We've been screaming about shiat like this since Walker took office. We've been the GOP test site since 2010. If you see them pull it off here, you can count on them expanding it to other states.

We had a chance to rein them in, but it wasn't nice to recall someone mid-term.


We also gave away the Wisconsin supreme court majority by not showing up when we had an election in the bag
 
2022-06-30 6:31:52 AM  
Republicans are angling for one party rule so they can start marching decent people off to gas chambers.
 
2022-06-30 6:36:28 AM  

saywhonow: I think Wisconsin needs to hit the reset switch. This is the state supreme court saying Republican political appointees are now life time appointments?

So the governor has no authority to fire one of them? What if they run someone over drunk driving or, *GASP*, get caught paying for their rape victim's mistress' abortion?

If that's the case, then does a republican appointee then have the right to disregard any laws that would remove them from office, essentially making them..uhm..dukes..or regional lords or whatever? A monarchy. Wisconsin is heading toward a monarchy. Which is just authoritarian rule with fancier dinner parties.

This is stupid. You're stupid Wisconsin. Stop being stupid and just make cheese. Idiots.


Don't forget the beer.  They make the best beer in the world.  I mean it's right there in the title-Milwaukee's Best.
 
2022-06-30 6:39:11 AM  
If Tony Evers isn't re-elected Wisconsin will be farking Mississippi. Ron Johnson is so horrible that we might end up being Mississippi with two Libby lib senators. I've been thinking a lot about where the best thing to put your political resources into is, because my elderly mom who's devastated about Roe and shiat in general asked me exactly that. Everyone's asking her for money and we talked about what could actually make a difference. For people in Wisconsin, I think re-electing Tony Evers is even more important than replacing Ron Johnson. His veto power is the only thing holding us back from the worst of the worst.
 
2022-06-30 6:47:50 AM  

vrax: What in the literal fark is that reasoning?!  His term has expired but he hasn't vacated the office so...it doesn't matter?  Am I taking crazy pills here?


It keeps a Republican in power.  The crazy thing is that this ruling didn't result in the bench having a vacancy caused by its current occupant being dragged into the streets and beaten to death.
 
2022-06-30 6:52:15 AM  
I worked on one of the most good vs evil campaigns of all time... Russ Feingold vs Ron Johnson, and Russ's campaign was absolute shiat. His early campaigns were genius.
 
2022-06-30 7:04:06 AM  
Part of the problem with Wisconsin is it's actually rather representative of the country. We have a few urban areas that are very blue, surrounded by rural areas that are very red. The sum of the people makes the population about even between the two areas. This is somewhat equivalent to America on the whole.

For a long time, we had a fairly balanced government here. Tommy Thompson was our governor for four terms in the 80s and 90s and while he did tick some people off in certain industries, he was tremendously popular on the whole, including with many on the left. He was largely a pragmatist. One of his signature moments was advocating fortaxation, albeit for a (wonderful) baseball stadium. Trust me, the Brewers are one of the few joys left of being here; I'm glad we didn't let them follow the Braves away.

Of course, when Thompson tried to run for president, it was after the GOP started to change following the Contract with America. Thompson was called a RINO on the national stage and quickly dismissed. And, at some point, when the right realized they could use Wisconsin as a testing ground for things nationally because of our demographics -- influenced in part by the likes of Scott Walker and Paul Ryan, but probably moreso by the Koch Brothers, who are big in the paper industry, a big deal in much of Wisconsin -- it started really royally farking with things under Walker, making a point to turn rural Wisconsin against a few choice groups, notably public school teachers, the university system and anything that had to do with Madison or Milwaukee. By convincing folks those people were to blame for their problems, the right has solidified its grip on rural Wisconsin for some time ... not that deregulation and corporate farming making the family farm obsolete had anything to do with it or anything, or that, with public education shot to bits, it's much more difficult for folks to actually escape rural areas, not that they would, since they've been convinced college will turn them into evil liberals.

Accordingly, the blue parts of the state have at least now given us a Democratic governor, but we're still stuck with a gerrymandered, obstructionist state legislature & senate controlled by conservatives, a conservative supreme court, and much of the state believing the only thing that happens in our most-urban area of Milwaukee is people shooting each other (I have lived here my whole life and do work regularly in what one might term "the rough part of town;" I have never felt any fear of being shot), while Madison is supposedly turning every kid that doesn't play for the UW football, basketball or hockey teams into a communist. Sound familiar?

If you're interested in learning more about Wisconsin being a microcosm of America's current situation, I do recommend reading some of the works of Kathrine J. Cramer, a UW political scientist who went out and talked with a lot of rural folks to try to understand what's creating this disconnect in our country. Trust me, as a Marquette University guy, it takes a lot for me to tell you to read anything by a Badger, because, generally speaking, all things the rival University of Wisconsin produces are inherently inferior to all things Marquette and generally anything produced by any other school that's ever existed at any other level. But setting my facetious rivalry talk aside, Cramer's work is seminal and important to understanding our current times.
 
2022-06-30 7:11:13 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: I worked on one of the most good vs evil campaigns of all time... Russ Feingold vs Ron Johnson, and Russ's campaign was absolute shiat. His early campaigns were genius.


Feingold won people's hearts when he first started with very folksy ads where he did the thing where he used the back of his left hand as a map of the state ... which, yes, really does work well. His early ads were upbeat, positive, folksy and encouraging. And then he went to Washington and kind of lived up to that by thinking differently, including McCain-Feingold.

But somewhere along the line, he figured he was well-known enough to become a more dour, serious politician, especially as he started getting bigger aspirations. And ... I don't think it flied as well.

I liked Thompson. I liked Feingold. I liked what Wisconsin used to be. We were so kind and friendly here. I go to a car show up north each year where I drive past so many TFG/LGB signs that I wonder what happened to folks. The friendly Wisconsinites I remember growing up with, even the rural ones, would have rejected TFG on the basis of his harsh manner of speaking alone. At the car show itself, at least last year, there was a guy with a shirt that had about five or six 'f' words on it in big print, each accompanied by something he wanted to 'f': "Your science," "your mask," "your vaccine," and so on.

I'm still kind of stunned by the turn. We were the good guys. We were the hard-working farmers that made the cheese and the beer and rooted for the underdog Packers and were nice to a fault and enjoyed when people from the city came to visit and see the cows. I still want us to be that. What happened to us?
 
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