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(Ars Technica)   Remote workers buy the one house in the middle of Seattle that isn't wired for broadband, would cost $27K for Comcast to hook them up, and is in a bad location for Starlink or 5G   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2022-06-29 3:21:43 PM  
While I'm no fan of comcast I don't see why this is their fault, expansion costs a lot of money and that area was done long ago and for some reason that property was skipped, maybe the owner at the time refused it.

These people didn't do their homework when they bought the house.

/not subby
 
2022-06-29 3:46:13 PM  
This story pops up every few months "ILEC/CLEC never bothered to wire a house set far back from the street for Internet for former owners, new owners get sticker shock".  Bonus points when ILEC/CLEC lists the house as having service available when it really didn't.
 
2022-06-29 3:54:00 PM  
Greenlight and Frontier both tore up our street this spring to install conduit underground for their fiber rollout.  Our entire street utility system is underground with no telephone poles on the entire street.  Both companies ran conduit and junction boxes to every house on the street, regardless of who signed up or not.  In the future, the only installation fee for anyone will be to go the ~20-30 feet from the junction box in the front yard to the side of the house.  I'm paying $100 for them to hook me up.

Also, the $27k sounds ridiculous.  That sounds like a price you get when the company really just want you to go away.
 
2022-06-29 4:02:06 PM  
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1000 feet is about $200 (haven't checked recently)
 
2022-06-29 4:39:33 PM  
Join the club.  I've lived at my address for 30 years and can't get cable broadband, but houses on either side of me, .2 miles one way, .1 mile the other way can.  Cost for them to pull cable to me was some like like 16K.

I subscribed to starlink and after a year on the waiting list got that.  It's not perfect, but it has been life changing.
 
2022-06-29 4:43:15 PM  
Rent an excavator and rip out 3 or 4 conduits on your street. The bulk cost to repair will lower how much you have to pay.
 
2022-06-29 5:16:10 PM  
Rent a ditch witch and run the cable yourself.
 
2022-06-29 5:26:41 PM  
gee...should have looked into the cost of hooking up the internet before buying the house, huh...
 
2022-06-29 5:30:31 PM  
First thing I did when buying my new house was ask the realtor to find me only properties that had broadband internet.  I also asked the reported ISP before making the offer to confirm that I wasn't going to be up shiat creek without a paddle.

This isn't difficult stuff, people.
 
2022-06-29 5:33:49 PM  
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2022-06-29 5:37:39 PM  
When I moved last year, that was a big deal because while I was not bound by location for my work, I was bound by internet service speed which was something my real estate agent did excellent due diligence on my behalf.

My previous house got fiber because the state required new construction to have broadband (wired/fiber) connectivity and to do that, they had to come through my neighborhood to the new one being built. My 1955 house got fiber because they rezoned some land to residential and built about 60 houses nearby.  Since they had to run the line through our yards via pole, might as well, let people connect.
 
2022-06-29 5:41:45 PM  
Considering this is Seattle, I'd guess most the cost was permits.
 
2022-06-29 5:42:11 PM  
Welcome to 4km off the beaten path anywhere in Canuckistan - lovingly referred to as "Bumf**k".
 
2022-06-29 5:42:23 PM  

Driedsponge: Greenlight and Frontier both tore up our street this spring to install conduit underground for their fiber rollout.  Our entire street utility system is underground with no telephone poles on the entire street.  Both companies ran conduit and junction boxes to every house on the street, regardless of who signed up or not.  In the future, the only installation fee for anyone will be to go the ~20-30 feet from the junction box in the front yard to the side of the house.  I'm paying $100 for them to hook me up.

Also, the $27k sounds ridiculous.  That sounds like a price you get when the company really just want you to go away.


They're putting Google fiber in my neighborhood, and it's amazingly low impact. They basically have a Ditch Witch that they cut a hole in the road with, maybe 2" wide, they run it down the side of the street, about 6" out from the gutter. That's the majority of the "tearing up" they're doing. The only other part is the little bit of digging to drop it under the curb and onto the property.

As an added bonus, someone seems to be repaving the roads. Not sure if it's Google funding it, the city just postponing scheduled paving until it's done, or a lucky coincidence. Kinda hoping they'll do that to my street even though it got paved 3 years ago, because the project Jeep had some bad il leaks for awhile.
 
2022-06-29 5:44:05 PM  
I want to know how she shares a property line with 6 other neighbors, but it's still going to be a 180 foot run. Do these people live on 3 acre lots, or something?
 
2022-06-29 5:45:15 PM  
I'm farking stunned that they can't get fiber ran along the utility easement.

Who ran phone to the home? Or was this one of those brand new homes?
 
2022-06-29 5:45:27 PM  

labman: Join the club.  I've lived at my address for 30 years and can't get cable broadband, but houses on either side of me, .2 miles one way, .1 mile the other way can.  Cost for them to pull cable to me was some like like 16K.

I subscribed to starlink and after a year on the waiting list got that.  It's not perfect, but it has been life changing.


Got a guy at work in our other office who just set up Starlink, he loves it. I think he had Hughes before, which is like 600 Kbps, IIRC.
 
2022-06-29 5:46:18 PM  

baronbloodbath: I'm farking stunned that they can't get fiber ran along the utility easement.

Who ran phone to the home? Or was this one of those brand new homes?


Well, if they didn't run cable or fiber when they ran the phone, which they would have no reason to do anyway, then it's still gonna cost the same because they have to dig it all up.
 
2022-06-29 5:51:07 PM  
I live in a 60s/70s neighborhood and AT&T ran fiber through here about a year ago.  It was very low impact as they just had to string it up on the poles.

Meanwhile before they installed it I pulled about 20 pounds of ancient telco, cable TV, antenna, DirecTV, and a bunch of other random wires out of the house.  Southern Bell?  Yeah, that's been there a while.
 
2022-06-29 5:53:23 PM  
The problem is the proto-hipster 50 years ago said "why should I install cable, I don't even watch TV".
 
2022-06-29 5:57:08 PM  

covfefe: [resource.fs.com image 550x550]
1000 feet is about $200 (haven't checked recently)


Planning, maps, permits and installation are the killers.  I was quoted $11/foot at a prior house, in 2004.  The driveway was 2907 1/3 ft long and it was another 350 feet to the main street. I priced out a microwave repeater, it would have been half the cost, but the cable company nixed the idea.

You never know what is in the ground and neither does anyone else.  And don't get me started on the ownership of utility poles.

Former cable system designer
 
2022-06-29 5:57:32 PM  
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2022-06-29 6:00:08 PM  
I scoffed at the $27k bit after reading the article it sounds reasonable. They would have to dig under the road to bury the cable. I'm sure there is permitting out the wazoo involved. The city could probably ease at least some of the burden though.
 
2022-06-29 6:06:45 PM  

oldfarthenry: Welcome to 4km off the beaten path anywhere in Canuckistan - lovingly referred to as "Bumf**k".


I am 8 miles from the nearest high speed cable.  I am not getting it any time soon if ever.
 
2022-06-29 6:09:10 PM  

Mikey1969: baronbloodbath: I'm farking stunned that they can't get fiber ran along the utility easement.

Who ran phone to the home? Or was this one of those brand new homes?

Well, if they didn't run cable or fiber when they ran the phone, which they would have no reason to do anyway, then it's still gonna cost the same because they have to dig it all up.


If he's got wired telephone, the phone company is probably trying to get him to convert to fiber anyway. Which is how I got fiber for no cost. Which I then used to get FIOS. Which is much better than Comcast.
 
2022-06-29 6:10:25 PM  

HempHead: [danielzstinson.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


Works a treat. Make a deal with a neighbor to pay half their Concast bill.
 
2022-06-29 6:11:07 PM  

Flowery Twats: Mikey1969: baronbloodbath: I'm farking stunned that they can't get fiber ran along the utility easement.

Who ran phone to the home? Or was this one of those brand new homes?

Well, if they didn't run cable or fiber when they ran the phone, which they would have no reason to do anyway, then it's still gonna cost the same because they have to dig it all up.

If he's got wired telephone, the phone company is probably trying to get him to convert to fiber anyway. Which is how I got fiber for no cost. Which I then used to get FIOS. Which is much better than Comcast.


They're still doing that??
 
2022-06-29 6:14:04 PM  
it can be crazy to get power/phone/internet if you a ways from the nearest pole/box.  when my grandparents put a trailer on my parents land after downsizing from a large home it cost like 30k just to get the poles and lines installed for power/phone/internet. the power company will only pay for the 1st pole on to your yard if you need more then that you pay for it.  And it was maybe 1000ft give or take 100ft.
 
2022-06-29 6:15:37 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: oldfarthenry: Welcome to 4km off the beaten path anywhere in Canuckistan - lovingly referred to as "Bumf**k".

I am 8 miles from the nearest high speed cable.  I am not getting it any time soon if ever.


None of this was supposed to be universal. Rural electric and phone were subsidized. Look on your phone bill and see if there is a line item for universal service fee or something like that.
 
2022-06-29 6:16:04 PM  
Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.
 
2022-06-29 6:16:27 PM  
*Internet
 
2022-06-29 6:18:10 PM  

adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.


agreed but look what happens when ever a town/city tries to do their own for the people living there the big internet companies get the state to pass laws banning it.
 
2022-06-29 6:23:01 PM  
When we sold my MIL house not long ago, every potential buyer asked who were the available internet providers for the house.
 
2022-06-29 6:25:50 PM  

jumac: adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.

agreed but look what happens when ever a town/city tries to do their own for the people living there the big internet companies get the state to pass laws banning it.


The concept of municipalities using public funds to compete with private companies has always been problematic.
 
2022-06-29 6:29:47 PM  

covfefe: [resource.fs.com image 550x550]
1000 feet is about $200 (haven't checked recently)


Not that simple....
 
2022-06-29 6:36:24 PM  

adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.


Lots of things are necessary for everyday life....just sayin.
 
2022-06-29 6:47:22 PM  

Driedsponge: Also, the $27k sounds ridiculous.  That sounds like a price you get when the company really just want you to go away.


Like when you get bids for a bathroom/kitchen and the estimates come in at $12k, $11.5k, $28k, and $12.7k.

The person asking $28k either:
A. Doesn't want the job, or;
B. The price quoted is the "broom price." (the price for them to sweep their schedule clean, postpone other things, and come do your job right now before they go back to the other things put on hold)
 
2022-06-29 6:49:33 PM  

Morning Horsefarts: I also asked the reported ISP before making the offer to confirm that I wasn't going to be up shiat creek without a paddle.


Read some of the linked articles in this one. Comcast has, in the past, told people that their house about to be purchased could be hooked up to internet only to later say it was a "mistake on the map" or something and the house actually cannot get internet without some obscene cost charged to the new owners who already closed on it.

Makes me wonder if those cases make it worth suing Comcast for detrimental reliance.
 
2022-06-29 6:51:56 PM  

vonster: adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.

Lots of things are necessary for everyday life....just sayin.


Yes, and we can look at the real estate market, transportation in the US (where cars are necessary in 90% of the country), the medical insurance industry, and higher education and we can see the impacts of deciding that public goods should not exist - that the private market can and should provide every important thing.
 
2022-06-29 7:00:36 PM  

Flowery Twats: HempHead: [danielzstinson.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Works a treat. Make a deal with a neighbor to pay half their Concast bill.


I don't know why he doesn't do this. He could even run his own fiber.   Fiber is only $1/ft.
 
2022-06-29 7:01:16 PM  
When making one of the largest purchases in your lifetime, why would you not do your due diligence and figure all this stuff out, including a building inspection before purchasing?
 
2022-06-29 7:06:23 PM  
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2022-06-29 7:07:08 PM  
Looking at the picture of said couple, I think this is a very good thing.
 
2022-06-29 7:09:32 PM  

adamatari: vonster: adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.

Lots of things are necessary for everyday life....just sayin.

Yes, and we can look at the real estate market, transportation in the US (where cars are necessary in 90% of the country), the medical insurance industry, and higher education and we can see the impacts of deciding that public goods should not exist - that the private market can and should provide every important thing.


This is an ongoing argument. What should be provided by gubmint and what should be left to private companies.

Where I'm at, sewer is provided by a public agency. You don't get sewer unless the property is annexed to the city. Water, gas and power by a private company as well as broadband provided by 3 or more private companies. If you're outside the water service area, you're on well water and septic.
 
2022-06-29 7:09:34 PM  

adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.


No, and no it hasn't. Jesus.
 
2022-06-29 7:11:16 PM  

HempHead: Flowery Twats: HempHead: [danielzstinson.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Works a treat. Make a deal with a neighbor to pay half their Concast bill.

I don't know why he doesn't do this. He could even run his own fiber.   Fiber is only $1/ft.


It's the cost of the construction and permits! Geez!
 
2022-06-29 7:16:20 PM  

HempHead: Flowery Twats: HempHead: [danielzstinson.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Works a treat. Make a deal with a neighbor to pay half their Concast bill.

I don't know why he doesn't do this. He could even run his own fiber.   Fiber is only $1/ft.


good way to get the neighbors concast canceled as well.   In my area if you do this and the local company finds out they will shut it down. Granted the ones who get caught are the ones who don't hide the wires good.  as in running it threw open windows and such.
 
2022-06-29 7:18:53 PM  

Shryke: adamatari: Intern should be a public utility, especially as it has become necessary for everyday life.

No, and no it hasn't. Jesus.


You think it's bad under private control....wait 'til it's a gubmint function. WOO!
 
2022-06-29 7:21:37 PM  

jumac: HempHead: Flowery Twats: HempHead: [danielzstinson.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

Works a treat. Make a deal with a neighbor to pay half their Concast bill.

I don't know why he doesn't do this. He could even run his own fiber.   Fiber is only $1/ft.

good way to get the neighbors concast canceled as well.   In my area if you do this and the local company finds out they will shut it down. Granted the ones who get caught are the ones who don't hide the wires good.  as in running it threw open windows and such.


I wonder if the homeowner has a fusion splicer handy? And knows how to do it? LOL
 
2022-06-29 7:27:33 PM  

Driedsponge: Greenlight and Frontier both tore up our street this spring to install conduit underground for their fiber rollout.  Our entire street utility system is underground with no telephone poles on the entire street.  Both companies ran conduit and junction boxes to every house on the street, regardless of who signed up or not.  In the future, the only installation fee for anyone will be to go the ~20-30 feet from the junction box in the front yard to the side of the house.  I'm paying $100 for them to hook me up.

Also, the $27k sounds ridiculous.  That sounds like a price you get when the company really just want you to go away.


This isn't just Bob and Jim from Comcast show up and roll out a spool of wire from the neighbour's connection. It's a relatively major project. Several guys, a few days, permits, etc.

Construction ain't cheap.
 
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