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2022-06-29 7:47:13 AM  
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2022-06-29 9:05:24 AM  
Not when you're guilty AF and haven't been charged yet.
 
2022-06-29 10:18:52 AM  
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2022-06-29 11:35:46 AM  
Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?
 
2022-06-29 12:17:00 PM  
::looks up at marquee::

Aldrich Ames
Robert Hanssen
Adam Gadahn
John Walker Lindh


Hmm.

::takes out long pole with nameplate attached, slides name into place::

Michael Flynn

There. That's better.
 
2022-06-29 12:32:20 PM  
Yes, we have no bananas
 
2022-06-29 12:36:08 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:02:17 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:07:20 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:15:34 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:24:04 PM  
In a court case when someone pleads the fifth, the judge has the question stricken from the record and instructs the jury to forget that the question ever happened.

This is not a court case though, so we are free to assume that anyone who pleads the fifth is guilty of a crime & just doesn't want to talk about it.

The fifth is not the bullet-proof shield they think it is here. Usually it is, but not here.
 
2022-06-29 2:27:04 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:27:22 PM  
Honestly, I wasn't surprised. Saying yes would have been perjury, and saying no would've been a very sedition-y answer, especially for a General in the US military.
 
2022-06-29 2:29:09 PM  
He had no choice, once he started pleading the fifth in an attempt to hide his guilt, he has to continue to do it no matter the question.  Cheney did a good job of making him look idiotic.

The key to protecting your rights against self-incrimination is to plead the Fifth throughout proceedings. You can't get on the witness stand and start answering all of the questions put to you, and then plead the Fifth at a point where you think your response might implicate you in a crime. You can't "open the door" by answering some questions and trying to evade others. Either you take the Fifth throughout or not at all.
 
2022-06-29 2:29:21 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?


I can't think of a more wrong punctuation mark with which to end your sentence.
 
2022-06-29 2:29:25 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:29:45 PM  
Flynn's mother should have beaten him soundly every morning on the solid assumption he'd have deserved it by the end of the day.
 
2022-06-29 2:30:43 PM  

apoptotic: Honestly, I wasn't surprised. Saying yes would have been perjury, and saying no would've been a very sedition-y answer, especially for a General in the US military.


Hadn't thought of that.  They probably already have evidence that he stated as much.
 
2022-06-29 2:31:40 PM  
This is what I was saying yesterday.. Pleading the 5th needs to have some kind of rules. If you seem to be pleading it in order to avoid answering ANY questions, the opposing counsel should be able to call that out, and the judge can determine if it's a situation where it applies. Do this in chambers, away from the jury, and they shouldn't be unduly influenced.
 
2022-06-29 2:31:53 PM  
It's legal.  It's just bananas.
 
2022-06-29 2:31:58 PM  
He thinks they may have tape of him saying "Fark the peaceful transfer of power!" (or words to the effect)  which would make agreeing to it now perjury.
 
2022-06-29 2:33:02 PM  

chewd: This is not a court case though, so we are free to assume that anyone who pleads the fifth is guilty of a crime & just doesn't want to talk about it.


Not guilty of a crime. However, in civil proceedings, taking the fifth may justify taking adverse inference

Further, as this is merely a political proceeding, we are free to use this to infer that he is afraid on the one hand that a public admission of support for the peaceful transfer of power would imperil his ability to garner support for his next attempt at insurrection, and afraid on the other hand that a public denial of support for the peaceful transfer of power would facilitate the organizing of government resistance to his next attempt at insurrection.
 
2022-06-29 2:34:34 PM  

Kubo: ::looks up at marquee::

Aldrich Ames
Robert Hanssen
Adam Gadahn
John Walker Lindh

Hmm.

::takes out long pole with nameplate attached, slides name into place::

Michael Flynn

There. That's better.


Ah yes - the Benedict Arnold Memorial Cesspool.

// it's a well, actually
 
2022-06-29 2:35:24 PM  
He thought he was in like Flynn but rather he's out like trout.
 
2022-06-29 2:35:36 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: He thinks they may have tape of him saying "Fark the peaceful transfer of power!" (or words to the effect)  which would make agreeing to it now perjury.


They probably do, since that's how I imagine he answers his phone.
 
2022-06-29 2:35:54 PM  

Halfabee64: apoptotic: Honestly, I wasn't surprised. Saying yes would have been perjury, and saying no would've been a very sedition-y answer, especially for a General in the US military.

Hadn't thought of that.  They probably already have evidence that he stated as much.


IANAL but when they muted the audio for 96 seconds so he could confer with his lawyer after being asked 'do you believe the violence on Jan 6th was justified?' I immediately wondered if he was checking if the person(s) he said it to had already been deposed.
 
2022-06-29 2:35:55 PM  

Palined Parenthood: fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?

I can't think of a more wrong punctuation mark with which to end your sentence.


Not if you're a valley girl.
 
2022-06-29 2:36:19 PM  
Yeah, my jaw dropped when he took the fifth. In what way could that incriminate you?
 
2022-06-29 2:36:33 PM  

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2022-06-29 2:38:05 PM  
My guess is that Misha here is trying to lay a foundation that any criminal act he committed doesn't meet the intent element.

"See I didn't know that the peaceful transition of power was a foundation of democratic principles, so any act that I committed to subvert that principle was done without my intention."

If that's what he's shooting for, it wouldn't surprise me. And, yes, it's as dumb, and unbelievable as it sounds.
 
2022-06-29 2:38:25 PM  
Back in December, I read the book Team of Teams, in which General Stanley McChrystal and his colleagues described how JSOC underwent what was effectively an Agile transformation in order to achieve strategic success against Al-Qaeda in Iraq.  It's an excellent book, but it was written in 2015, and reading about all of the great things that Mike Flynn did in that effort feels very weird all these years later.

It does make me wonder exactly when Flynn decided to betray America, and what led him to make that decision.  Not out of sympathy, but so that we can at least try to prevent someone like him from rising through the ranks ever again.
 
2022-06-29 2:38:56 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?


There's always a Pardon in the Bananas Stand!
 
2022-06-29 2:39:02 PM  

wax_on: Yeah, my jaw dropped when he took the fifth. In what way could that incriminate you?


It's bigger than him going to jail.

For Flynn it's about the long con and positioning himself if he does manage to keep out of jail.

His replies make perfect fodder for future paid speaking engagements with right-wing orgs.
 
2022-06-29 2:41:23 PM  
Were there any questions he was asked in which he didn't invoke the fifth?
 
2022-06-29 2:44:44 PM  

cloverock70: Were there any questions he was asked in which he didn't invoke the fifth?


For the record, are you Michael Flynn.
 
2022-06-29 2:45:29 PM  

cloverock70: Were there any questions he was asked in which he didn't invoke the fifth?


"Sir, how much vodka did Rudy drink that evening?"
 
2022-06-29 2:45:30 PM  

Palined Parenthood: fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?

I can't think of a more wrong punctuation mark with which to end your sentence.


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2022-06-29 2:51:04 PM  
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2022-06-29 2:53:04 PM  
He should not be permitted to plead the fifth on this question - there is no answer that can incriminate him.  It's perfectly legal to believe or not believe in the peaceful transition of power as a concept.

/he could perjure himself if he answers dishonestly, I suppose, but the 5th Amendment doesn't cover that
 
2022-06-29 2:53:18 PM  

anfrind: Back in December, I read the book Team of Teams, in which General Stanley McChrystal and his colleagues described how JSOC underwent what was effectively an Agile transformation in order to achieve strategic success against Al-Qaeda in Iraq.  It's an excellent book, but it was written in 2015, and reading about all of the great things that Mike Flynn did in that effort feels very weird all these years later.

It does make me wonder exactly when Flynn decided to betray America, and what led him to make that decision.  Not out of sympathy, but so that we can at least try to prevent someone like him from rising through the ranks ever again.


It was Obama firing him from the Defense Intelligence Agency. He had always been a bit crazy and prone to believing bullshiat. But he had allies in General McCrytal and McMullin (Chairman JCOS). They put realists around him to tamp down on his bullshiat. I mean, he was known for Flynn Facts, which were total bullshiat claims that supported his position so he believed them. But then McCrystal got fired. McMullin retired. And Flynn was all alone as the head of an intelligence agency. By all accounts, he was an absolute horrible manager there. So Obama fired him. That led him into the arms of the major political figure who also despised Obama. And then Obama warned Trump not to hire him, so Mr. Oppositional Defiant Disorder of course hired him as NSA.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flynn-national-security-commentary/commentary-flynn-facts-a-threat-to-national-security-idUSKBN15S28E

Flynn has been startling superiors and subordinates since he became director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2012. He had spent a brave decade on the dark side of the war on terror. But he flouted authority and flayed his counterparts in the national security establishment, flaunted what DIA officers called "Flynn facts" - falsehoods - such as asserting that Iran has killed more Americans than al Qaeda in the 21st century, and was fired  in 2014.
Then, as a private citizen running an intelligence consulting firm, Flynn got cozy with Russian President Vladimir Putin. After dining as Putin's guest of honor and taking payments from his propaganda machine, Flynn got on the Trump bandwagon, tweeting links to fake news accusing Hillary Clinton of sex crimes with children and leading "Lock Her Up!" chants at raucous rallies. His reward was his appointment as national security adviser. He took office on Jan. 20 - already the subject of scrutiny by FBI counterintelligence agents and their colleagues at the CIA. The case is the most politically charged intelligence investigation since the Cold War.
 
2022-06-29 2:53:36 PM  

chewd: In a court case when someone pleads the fifth, the judge has the question stricken from the record and instructs the jury to forget that the question ever happened.

This is not a court case though, so we are free to assume that anyone who pleads the fifth is guilty of a crime & just doesn't want to talk about it.

The fifth is not the bullet-proof shield they think it is here. Usually it is, but not here.


Also, no one can make a jury forget anything. The damage is done.
 
2022-06-29 2:57:24 PM  

anfrind: Back in December, I read the book Team of Teams, in which General Stanley McChrystal and his colleagues described how JSOC underwent what was effectively an Agile transformation in order to achieve strategic success against Al-Qaeda in Iraq.  It's an excellent book, but it was written in 2015, and reading about all of the great things that Mike Flynn did in that effort feels very weird all these years later.

It does make me wonder exactly when Flynn decided to betray America, and what led him to make that decision.  Not out of sympathy, but so that we can at least try to prevent someone like him from rising through the ranks ever again.


Flynn's interview in the Afghanistan Papers may give some insight. The de facto permitted corruption he witnessed, and blatant disregard by every level of the military, government, and the civilians they serve, for the soldiers they were knowingly sending in to danger with no plan for nor even, actually, expectation of success, may have permanently broken any respect he had for America, its people, and its institutions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/documents-database/?document=flynn_michael_ll_11102015

Read it, and that kind of "well fark it, I'm your enemy now and am gonna try to make a buck like everyone else with half a clue seems to be doing" attitude kinda makes sense.
 
2022-06-29 2:57:43 PM  

chewd: In a court case when someone pleads the fifth, the judge has the question stricken from the record and instructs the jury to forget that the question ever happened.

This is not a court case though, so we are free to assume that anyone who pleads the fifth is guilty of a crime & just doesn't want to talk about it.

The fifth is not the bullet-proof shield they think it is here. Usually it is, but not here.


It's a catch-22 for Flynn an his lawyer, and here's why. What they say to Congress is admissable in court. Pleading the 5th here means that it doesn't get into vourt at any future date. AND pleading the 5th on a swath of a certain kind of question, rather than one or two particular question helps to prevent carving around a question a (potential) defendant doesn't want to answer. Soit's absolutely smart and the right call to fifth your way through Congress's questions.

However, congressional interlocutors, knowing that's gonna be your strategy, won't come away empty handed. Their pound of flesh will be your reputation, in the form of framed questions that you don't want to answer and, well, they're not smearing you; you're smearing yourself.

Gonna go with the 5th? They make sure you look slimy doing it, and they get their soundbite. Shouldn'ta crimed to begin with.
 
2022-06-29 2:58:03 PM  

NoWay3rdWay: Palined Parenthood: fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?

I can't think of a more wrong punctuation mark with which to end your sentence.

Not if you're a valley girl.


or norwegian
 
2022-06-29 2:59:07 PM  

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I have the yellowest boner right now
 
2022-06-29 3:01:20 PM  
I was tactical. I think it did 2 things:

1) Flynn reassured Trumpers that the entire process is illigitimate.

2) Flynn succeeded (!!!!!) in turning every single question into a target, so that nobody can focus on substantive, factual issues.

The Twittersphere has basically fallen for thing 2. Thing 1 is just a cue to the Q that they should continue the coup.
 
2022-06-29 3:06:04 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Walker: [i.pinimg.com image 500x375]

I have the yellowest boner right now


Asian, or jaundice of the genitals?
 
2022-06-29 3:08:47 PM  
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2022-06-29 3:11:10 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Misha Flynn wants to run out the clock until the 2024 election so he can be pardoned yet again?


Funny....I want him court martialed and punished for the traitor scum sucking maggot he is.
 
2022-06-29 3:14:47 PM  
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