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2022-06-29 12:53:02 AM  
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2022-06-29 12:57:10 AM  
You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.
 
2022-06-29 1:08:31 AM  
It sounds like the CTO should lose their job. Or, you know, this never happened
 
2022-06-29 3:53:10 AM  
Not the first time (and probably not the last) I heard about stuff like this, a norwegian hobby project ended up with a 60k bill from AWS when somebody hijacked his AWS account and set up a lot of stuff.

https://www-kode24-no.translate.goog/artikkel/ole-23-fikk-aws-regning-pa-over-500000-kroner/74617564?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

ALWAYS set limits, folks! Or at a minimum, monitor your usage
 
2022-06-29 3:58:26 AM  

feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.


SORT of. We're a rather large customer with a gnarly contract, and there's a giant labyrinth of costing. The solution presented to us was to set alarms, have them trigger SQS messages to lambdas that will scale back to targets we set. Of course, all those also cost, and require us to build and maintain. And the general consensus is everyone should be writing their own, half that Twitter thread was saying it.

Which seems insane, since we just partnered with Azure, and they have no problems on simple tools to scale on cost, down to shut-down-everything levels of panic. You're saying we should just all reinvent this wheel?

This isn't even to mention Amazon pre-sales wanted us to go with an outside costing company that gives us a way "more accurate" billing cycle cost. I honestly can't believe they can't accurately get close to accurate costs until the end of the billing cycle. It's not like some dude is doing manual reconciliation on our usage.

No issues with them technically, they just bill and price like con men.
 
2022-06-29 5:05:21 AM  

feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.


But that's missing the broader issue. It's marketed as a 'free' tier but then AWS makes you jump through hoops to make sure it's 'free' until it isn't. Logically it would be the other way around and the tier would in fact be free until I upgrade to a paid tier.
 
2022-06-29 6:25:46 AM  
So....not reading the TOS is finally biting idiots in the ass?
 
2022-06-29 6:37:09 AM  
Hey, everyone! I use GCP!

/ just kidding

The first time someone explained the cloud to me, I was dumbstruck.

"You mean it's just renting space on someone else's server? What's the big deal, then?"
 
2022-06-29 7:57:00 AM  
Dont use cloud.  Problem solved.

If you must use the cloud, dont use a megacorp like bezocorp.

Use your own metal.
 
2022-06-29 7:59:53 AM  
I thought this was going to be about those services you were playing with a year ago that somehow cost you like 8 bucks a month and you can't figure out why or how to permanently shut them off.
 
2022-06-29 8:07:45 AM  
Amazon loves to have this problem.  They're going to have a lot more, it sounds really profitable.
 
2022-06-29 8:34:32 AM  
"Next, I called our head of engineering at the time, and tried to figure out what the hell happened"

Well, what the hell happened?  The tweet thread didn't farking tell me, or link me to the rest of the story.
 
2022-06-29 8:43:23 AM  
This one is cheap compared to what someone leaving settings in a wrong way at a larger place with a lot of back and forth might do.

/knows nothing
//500k kinda nothing
 
2022-06-29 8:47:55 AM  
Step 1) know what the fark you're doing before spinning up AWS resources.
 
2022-06-29 9:30:57 AM  
As someone who just expensed $20,000 ($6000 just for F5 instances) for one month of usage, I'm getting a kick out of your lack of instance management.

AWS has a Billing Dashboard. Use it.

/I told my employer to let me expense hardware. I'll spend 2,000, tops, over 3 years.
//They said nope, so I'll keep expenses tens of thousands of dollars a month by using the stupid cloud
 
2022-06-29 9:34:58 AM  

palladiate: feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.

SORT of. We're a rather large customer with a gnarly contract, and there's a giant labyrinth of costing. The solution presented to us was to set alarms, have them trigger SQS messages to lambdas that will scale back to targets we set. Of course, all those also cost, and require us to build and maintain. And the general consensus is everyone should be writing their own, half that Twitter thread was saying it.

Which seems insane, since we just partnered with Azure, and they have no problems on simple tools to scale on cost, down to shut-down-everything levels of panic. You're saying we should just all reinvent this wheel?

This isn't even to mention Amazon pre-sales wanted us to go with an outside costing company that gives us a way "more accurate" billing cycle cost. I honestly can't believe they can't accurately get close to accurate costs until the end of the billing cycle. It's not like some dude is doing manual reconciliation on our usage.

No issues with them technically, they just bill and price like con men.


Lambdas to the rescue!

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2022-06-29 10:00:32 AM  

palladiate: Which seems insane, since we just partnered with Azure, and they have no problems on simple tools to scale on cost, down to shut-down-everything levels of panic. You're saying we should just all reinvent this wheel?


They have the same basic problems in billing, IAM hell, virtual networks, etc.  Basically, they were the first mover on a lot of things. Have thrown 50,000 services at the wall.  Can't kill any of them, some unit of some Fortune 500 company is using Amazon LexFizBusERM.  So it just becomes more and more of a Gordian knot.

At the end of the day, Azure or GCP aren't simple (at all), but they're sure simpler than AWS.  But, you can ususally hire people with AWS experience.  GCP, you pretty much have to start from Cloud 101.

168 AWS Services in 2 minutes
Youtube BtJAsvJOlhM


/ (and every one has a billing model)
 
2022-06-29 10:42:17 AM  

palladiate: feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.

SORT of. We're a rather large customer with a gnarly contract, and there's a giant labyrinth of costing. The solution presented to us was to set alarms, have them trigger SQS messages to lambdas that will scale back to targets we set. Of course, all those also cost, and require us to build and maintain. And the general consensus is everyone should be writing their own, half that Twitter thread was saying it.

Which seems insane, since we just partnered with Azure, and they have no problems on simple tools to scale on cost, down to shut-down-everything levels of panic. You're saying we should just all reinvent this wheel?

This isn't even to mention Amazon pre-sales wanted us to go with an outside costing company that gives us a way "more accurate" billing cycle cost. I honestly can't believe they can't accurately get close to accurate costs until the end of the billing cycle. It's not like some dude is doing manual reconciliation on our usage.

No issues with them technically, they just bill and price like con men.


Oh yeah, don't use AWS are they're staffed my morons too.
 
2022-06-29 11:38:07 AM  

feckingmorons: Oh yeah, don't use AWS are they're staffed my morons too.


We are worried about your morons.
 
2022-06-29 4:41:16 PM  
Use Cloudwatch.

AWS is like an equipment rental company. Anyone can rent anything they need. No questions asked.

The danger is that if you were to rent an actual piece of dangerous, heavy equipment, there is a natural sense of healthy fear. You can't climb into a 100 ton excavator and not realize that you are controlling a massively powerful machine and you should be really careful with it.

Whereas any moron in his underpants can spin up the cloud equivalent in a few seconds, and there is no inherent sense that you're farking around with something really powerful.
 
2022-06-29 6:13:51 PM  

feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.


Show me where I can set a dollar limit like you can with an Azure free account.
 
2022-06-29 6:18:28 PM  

TheSubjunctive: palladiate: Which seems insane, since we just partnered with Azure, and they have no problems on simple tools to scale on cost, down to shut-down-everything levels of panic. You're saying we should just all reinvent this wheel?

They have the same basic problems in billing, IAM hell, virtual networks, etc.  Basically, they were the first mover on a lot of things. Have thrown 50,000 services at the wall.  Can't kill any of them, some unit of some Fortune 500 company is using Amazon LexFizBusERM.  So it just becomes more and more of a Gordian knot.

At the end of the day, Azure or GCP aren't simple (at all), but they're sure simpler than AWS.  But, you can ususally hire people with AWS experience.  GCP, you pretty much have to start from Cloud 101.

[YouTube video: 168 AWS Services in 2 minutes]

/ (and every one has a billing model)


AWS technically is killing EC2 classic finally but very, very slowly.
 
2022-06-29 10:29:42 PM  

Intrepid00: feckingmorons: You can set limits on AWS accounts.   These people are idiots.

Show me where I can set a dollar limit like you can with an Azure free account.


You can't do that easily but you can set billing alerts at 50, 85, 95 % if you want.  It will send you messages and you can terminate stuff that is running up the cost.  You can code something to terminate stuff but that isn't something the average user will do. 

As for the yahoo in question he figured out that he spun up some giant db by mistake.  Here is the whole thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/g1ve18/i_am_charged_60k_on_aws_without_using_anything/
 
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