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2022-06-29 1:46:37 AM  
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I'd buy that for $3.76!!
 
2022-06-29 1:56:26 AM  
Get to a point where your teams can afford to play in their own cities before you start talking expansion.
 
2022-06-29 2:19:34 AM  
I figured they were giving Drew equity in exchange for all the links
 
2022-06-29 2:42:19 AM  

Lifeless: I figured they were giving Drew equity in exchange for all the links


There were more comments mocking the USFL threads in *other* threads than there were actual comments in the USFL threads.
 
2022-06-29 5:13:23 AM  
Is Fox owns the Great Value Brand Football League, how on Earth did it manage to sell all the games to NBC without NBC catching on that this was all a scam?
 
2022-06-29 5:23:25 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Get to a point where your teams can afford to play in their own cities before you start talking expansion.


They're trying to spin it as expansion because they're farking broke. The stadiums are rarely even 1/3 full and the ratings are terrible.

Players better take their checks to the bank the second they get them just to make sure it clears.
 
2022-06-29 6:30:58 AM  
I understand it was financially worthwhile to keep all of the teams in one city, but who in Birmingham is going to be interested in watching Philadelphia play Michigan? Before Covid the XFL launched in the native cities and seemed to draw good crowds. Even the Birmingham games were drawing well under 5000 people.
 
2022-06-29 7:49:21 AM  
Networks are always looking for investors. Nothing new here.
 
2022-06-29 7:56:03 AM  

tnpir: I understand it was financially worthwhile to keep all of the teams in one city, but who in Birmingham is going to be interested in watching Philadelphia play Michigan? Before Covid the XFL launched in the native cities and seemed to draw good crowds. Even the Birmingham games were drawing well under 5000 people.


I'm curious as to how it would go over if the teams* dispensed with location afflictions entirely. they could be distinguished with unique color schemes and uncommon mascots - not stuff like some minor league baseball teams have for funsies, but different from at least all the Big Four clubs. it might move some merch.

*not necessarily the USFL; any league where all teams play in one location (if there are others)
 
2022-06-29 8:06:38 AM  

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I'd buy that for $3.76!!


the Loch Ness Monster only offered tree-fiddy.
 
2022-06-29 8:09:09 AM  

stoli n coke: The stadiums are rarely even 1/3 full


Because no one wants to go near Legion Field, it's the easiest place in Birmingham to get tetanus.
 
2022-06-29 8:09:44 AM  

virulent_loser: tnpir: I understand it was financially worthwhile to keep all of the teams in one city, but who in Birmingham is going to be interested in watching Philadelphia play Michigan? Before Covid the XFL launched in the native cities and seemed to draw good crowds. Even the Birmingham games were drawing well under 5000 people.

I'm curious as to how it would go over if the teams* dispensed with location afflictions entirely. they could be distinguished with unique color schemes and uncommon mascots - not stuff like some minor league baseball teams have for funsies, but different from at least all the Big Four clubs. it might move some merch.

*not necessarily the USFL; any league where all teams play in one location (if there are others)


Even in sports on TV, the energy level of the whole broadcast is set by the energy of the crowd physically present at the game.  Think back to how odd the NBA playoff games in the "bubble", or the MLB playoff games played in empty stadiums, felt.

I suppose you could engineer the whole broadcast in ways to minimize that, but it will still always feel a little bit sterile.
 
2022-06-29 8:16:07 AM  
Vince McMahon isn't busy.
 
2022-06-29 8:57:08 AM  
The anti-Trump bias on this site is ridiculous.  Nothing but hate.  Really, ask yourself, what's the worst thing that could happen to the USFL if Trump got involved?
 
2022-06-29 9:00:32 AM  

Harrogate the Melon Bunger: The anti-Trump bias on this site is ridiculous.  Nothing but hate.  Really, ask yourself, what's the worst thing that could happen to the USFL if Trump got involved?


"and we are joined now in the booth by our color commentator, Mike Lindell"

"*Unintelligible sputtering*"

"Great to see you too Mike. This is Alex Jones, and before we return to the field let me remind you that all mass shootings are false flag operations, Donald Trump won the 2020 elections, and you can support the USFL with our new limited edition ATHLETE gummies from InfoWars Life".
 
2022-06-29 9:02:13 AM  

Harrogate the Melon Bunger: The anti-Trump bias on this site is ridiculous.  Nothing but hate.  Really, ask yourself, what's the worst thing that could happen to the USFL if Trump got involved?


Usually I'd say abject failure, but it's the USFL so that's redundant.
 
2022-06-29 9:03:01 AM  
Fellas, read why the first USFL folded.
 
2022-06-29 9:48:33 AM  
Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.
 
2022-06-29 10:10:26 AM  

Harrogate the Melon Bunger: Fellas, read why the first USFL folded.


Having read your profile, I have to say it's a very narrow shtick
 
2022-06-29 10:22:18 AM  

Harrogate the Melon Bunger: The anti-Trump bias on this site is ridiculous.  Nothing but hate.  Really, ask yourself, what's the worst thing that could happen to the USFL if Trump got involved?


Herschel Walker gets traded to the Senate for a mountain of draft picks?
 
2022-06-29 12:30:12 PM  

groppet: Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.


isn't the rock taking over the XFL and bringing it back next year? I could be wrong, it's easy to mix up all these phoney football leagues
 
2022-06-29 12:30:46 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Get to a point where your teams can afford to play in their own cities before you start talking expansion.


Yeah... Though presumably that would go along with it.  There's weirdness about hosting in different cities when all teams are owned by one entity.  I need to find someone knowledgeable about that to explain.
 
2022-06-29 3:03:47 PM  

ElwoodCuse: groppet: Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.

isn't the rock taking over the XFL and bringing it back next year? I could be wrong, it's easy to mix up all these phoney football leagues


Yes, that is the plan right now.... "Disney" (ESPN, ABC, and F/X, yes, F/X is now Disney, not "FOX") took on the XFL with a "5 year contract" (we'll see how many actually happen).

Anyway, overall though, there is a lot of guffawing and misunderstanding what FOX is doing with the USFL...

A) Yes, the crowds are awful.  Yes, it might make for "bad" TV experience, but, as long as the ratings are "decent", FOX (and lesser NBC since they don't own it, I'm sure whether they are back next year is up in the air) doesn't care.  And all account are

B) This year was just testing it out, and saving costs with the one "hub" concept... it is a totally TV league right now, and in the near future really.

C) The plan is to have at least a 2nd "hub" next year (Probably Philly), and maybe up to 4 (which would make it less "hubs" than "paired" markets.... Birmingham also hosting Tampa, New Orleans also hosting Houston, Pittsburgh also hosting Michigan, and Philly also hosting New Jersey.

If they actually ramp up to 4 next year already, that makes for all "home" games for ticket sales (given that they generally let you see both games on the same day in the stadium in a single ticket), and if they can get somewhat decent crowds since they'll be "home" teams, it should look better on TV.     And "New Jersey Generals" doesn't have to mean "No, really we're New York"... NJ playing in Philly can be considered really a "home" game for New Jersey.

Given that Philly/Pittsburgh and Birmingham/N.O. are both city pairs 4-5 hours apart, they are still effectively a "North" and "South" hub as well, and the league can still house the players in the main 2 "hub" cities, which is where they are getting their cost containment (actually, much of the cost containment is they are paying the players $45k for 3 months of play, which isn't certainly "pro" rates, but, $45k for a 1/3 of a year is a pretty good salary... and NOT paying for housing, just getting them good rates in town at apartments), and just bus to the NO/Pittsburgh sites for game days.  And you can make the schedule so that the North & South teams cross-playing each other happens in 2 consecutive weeks... 2 weeks south is at north, and another 2 straight weeks, north is "at" south.  Get them Extended stay america rooms for 10-11 days, you're good.
 
2022-06-29 6:13:12 PM  

dletter: ElwoodCuse: groppet: Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.

isn't the rock taking over the XFL and bringing it back next year? I could be wrong, it's easy to mix up all these phoney football leagues

Yes, that is the plan right now.... "Disney" (ESPN, ABC, and F/X, yes, F/X is now Disney, not "FOX") took on the XFL with a "5 year contract" (we'll see how many actually happen).

Anyway, overall though, there is a lot of guffawing and misunderstanding what FOX is doing with the USFL...

A) Yes, the crowds are awful.  Yes, it might make for "bad" TV experience, but, as long as the ratings are "decent", FOX (and lesser NBC since they don't own it, I'm sure whether they are back next year is up in the air) doesn't care.  And all account are

B) This year was just testing it out, and saving costs with the one "hub" concept... it is a totally TV league right now, and in the near future really.

C) The plan is to have at least a 2nd "hub" next year (Probably Philly), and maybe up to 4 (which would make it less "hubs" than "paired" markets.... Birmingham also hosting Tampa, New Orleans also hosting Houston, Pittsburgh also hosting Michigan, and Philly also hosting New Jersey.

If they actually ramp up to 4 next year already, that makes for all "home" games for ticket sales (given that they generally let you see both games on the same day in the stadium in a single ticket), and if they can get somewhat decent crowds since they'll be "home" teams, it should look better on TV.     And "New Jersey Generals" doesn't have to mean "No, really we're New York"... NJ playing in Philly can be considered really a "home" game for New Jersey.

Given that Philly/Pittsburgh and Birmingham/N.O. are both city pairs 4-5 hours apart, they are still effectively a "North" and "South" hub as well, and the league can still house the players in the main 2 "hub" cities, which is where they are getting their cost containment (actually, much of the cost conta ...


Right now, with 1 city, they literally only have to care about ratings.  FOX owns the teams so all they care about is the ad revenue.  They don't need to care about ticket sales.  Long as enough eyes are watching at home, they're gonna be fine.

You open up even one other hub, you need to pay for another lease (perhaps you could find a city with a smaller stadium, like around here there's a soccer stadium that's about half the size of a baseball stadium which might be able to be adapted to football), plus that splits the already meager ticket sales... and you need to care about travel costs (Players would likely revolt if they had to pay that too).

Unless ticket sales significantly increase, I just don't see them doing that.

/Course, I'm sure a big reason no one cared is because they didn't have the teams in each market.  Kind of a catch-22 there.
 
2022-06-30 8:39:59 AM  
Why would they need outside funds? My uncle and all his buddies said they'd watch it because the NFL was letting players disrespecting the flag which I learned stands for dead soldiers and absolutely nothing else.

You mean he was lying at his Super Bowl party?!
 
2022-06-30 10:38:58 AM  

jake3988: dletter: ElwoodCuse: groppet: Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.

isn't the rock taking over the XFL and bringing it back next year? I could be wrong, it's easy to mix up all these phoney football leagues

Yes, that is the plan right now.... "Disney" (ESPN, ABC, and F/X, yes, F/X is now Disney, not "FOX") took on the XFL with a "5 year contract" (we'll see how many actually happen).

Anyway, overall though, there is a lot of guffawing and misunderstanding what FOX is doing with the USFL...

A) Yes, the crowds are awful.  Yes, it might make for "bad" TV experience, but, as long as the ratings are "decent", FOX (and lesser NBC since they don't own it, I'm sure whether they are back next year is up in the air) doesn't care.  And all account are

B) This year was just testing it out, and saving costs with the one "hub" concept... it is a totally TV league right now, and in the near future really.

C) The plan is to have at least a 2nd "hub" next year (Probably Philly), and maybe up to 4 (which would make it less "hubs" than "paired" markets.... Birmingham also hosting Tampa, New Orleans also hosting Houston, Pittsburgh also hosting Michigan, and Philly also hosting New Jersey.

If they actually ramp up to 4 next year already, that makes for all "home" games for ticket sales (given that they generally let you see both games on the same day in the stadium in a single ticket), and if they can get somewhat decent crowds since they'll be "home" teams, it should look better on TV.     And "New Jersey Generals" doesn't have to mean "No, really we're New York"... NJ playing in Philly can be considered really a "home" game for New Jersey.

Given that Philly/Pittsburgh and Birmingham/N.O. are both city pairs 4-5 hours apart, they are still effectively a "North" and "South" hub as well, and the league can still house the players in the main 2 "hub" cities, which is where they are getting their cost containment (actually, much of the co ...


The 4 "hub" concept I gave though minimizes the additional travel costs.   The "paired" hubs of Philly/Pittsburgh and Birm/NO are 4-5 hours apart, so, you'd still house the players mainly in Birm & Philly, and bus ride for gameday to Pittsburgh & NO.   And when North plays at south and visa versa, you have ALL 4 teams go down for 2 weeks of the season (10-11 days, few days before the first week, and leave Monday after the 2nd week back home) consecutively to do that, so it is just a 10-11 day "visit", not flying back and forth like an NFL schedule on a "whim".

Obviously, if improved ticket sales and ratings improvement from more in stands and local markets more invested in watching DOESN'T materialize to cover those additional costs (which I don't think should get to even $1M in additional costs really, given how I'd do it), then that will be a failure, as will likely the whole USFL concept, since I don't think "football without real cities" as a broadcast TV product is a viable long term product, although that could just be 50 year old me talking... kids don't care as much about 'my hometown team' anymore, at least it seems like to me.
 
2022-06-30 11:34:04 AM  

dletter: jake3988: dletter: ElwoodCuse: groppet: Why not get Vince McMahon involved, he has experience running a football league.

isn't the rock taking over the XFL and bringing it back next year? I could be wrong, it's easy to mix up all these phoney football leagues

Yes, that is the plan right now.... "Disney" (ESPN, ABC, and F/X, yes, F/X is now Disney, not "FOX") took on the XFL with a "5 year contract" (we'll see how many actually happen).

Anyway, overall though, there is a lot of guffawing and misunderstanding what FOX is doing with the USFL...

A) Yes, the crowds are awful.  Yes, it might make for "bad" TV experience, but, as long as the ratings are "decent", FOX (and lesser NBC since they don't own it, I'm sure whether they are back next year is up in the air) doesn't care.  And all account are

B) This year was just testing it out, and saving costs with the one "hub" concept... it is a totally TV league right now, and in the near future really.

C) The plan is to have at least a 2nd "hub" next year (Probably Philly), and maybe up to 4 (which would make it less "hubs" than "paired" markets.... Birmingham also hosting Tampa, New Orleans also hosting Houston, Pittsburgh also hosting Michigan, and Philly also hosting New Jersey.

If they actually ramp up to 4 next year already, that makes for all "home" games for ticket sales (given that they generally let you see both games on the same day in the stadium in a single ticket), and if they can get somewhat decent crowds since they'll be "home" teams, it should look better on TV.     And "New Jersey Generals" doesn't have to mean "No, really we're New York"... NJ playing in Philly can be considered really a "home" game for New Jersey.

Given that Philly/Pittsburgh and Birmingham/N.O. are both city pairs 4-5 hours apart, they are still effectively a "North" and "South" hub as well, and the league can still house the players in the main 2 "hub" cities, which is where they are getting their cost containment (actually, much ...


4 hubs would mean 4x the leasing costs.  Leasing a stadium is not cheap.  I'm sure having 4 games a week in 1 stadium probably made the 1 hub concept a break-even or near break-even proposition.  Splitting that between 4 hubs so each hub only has 1 game a week more than likely doesn't make that back.

Travel costs might be minimal in that scenario but it's not zero and certainly not the worst part of this.

No one in their right mind would invest in more hubs knowing that there's a near 0% chance they make any sort of money on it.

They should stay in 1 city and try to build an audience over the next couple seasons.  They start filling the stands in Birmingham, then they can look to expand.  But right now is definitely not the time.

/And they'll be competing directly against the XFL next season.  If you were an investor, you'd want to wait to see if the USFL even survives their current cheap concept with that.  The answer is probably not.
 
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