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2022-06-28 11:44:01 AM  
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2022-06-28 12:43:36 PM  
Well I work for Planned Parenthood so I am getting a kick out of this...

/yes really
/no not really getting a kick out of the ruling at all unless a kick in the balls counts.
 
2022-06-28 1:01:53 PM  
For businesses, $4K and a few days off is much cheaper than 4-8 weeks paid family leave and insurance costs for giving birth.
 
2022-06-28 1:06:21 PM  
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2022-06-28 1:11:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: For businesses, $4K and a few days off is much cheaper than 4-8 weeks paid family leave and insurance costs for giving birth.


More importantly, the $4k and a few days off for a small fraction of their employees pales in comparison to the tax break they think the GOP will give them.
 
2022-06-28 1:47:59 PM  
Dystopias are great for motivating employees, apparently.
 
2022-06-28 2:09:09 PM  
Corporations hedging their bets and playing both sides? I refuse to believe it.
 
2022-06-28 2:09:49 PM  
General strike? General strike?
 
2022-06-28 2:10:42 PM  
Keep employees happy while still raking in the tax breaks. Easy choice.
 
2022-06-28 2:12:12 PM  
They vote Republican because they don't want to pay taxes.   They allow travel expenses because they don't want to pay for maternity leave.
 
2022-06-28 2:12:41 PM  
Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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2022-06-28 2:14:14 PM  
Everyone should get ready for yet another increase in health insurance. Abortion is WAY cheaper than child birth and they will pass that cost to all of us.
 
2022-06-28 2:14:20 PM  
Do you really want your employer knowing you had an abortion, or are they going to instruct your insurer to cover travel?
 
2022-06-28 2:14:45 PM  
Its like they play both sides, so they always come out on top.
 
2022-06-28 2:21:55 PM  
Often in unhealthy dynamics a bad entity will point to a worse entity and indicate to you that you are lucky to have them.  You are still in fact subjected to an abusive environment.
 
2022-06-28 2:21:58 PM  

rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I saw that. That can't possibly be legal.

Like... if it were, they'd just offer to pay non-union employees more and that would be that.
 
2022-06-28 2:25:25 PM  
I knew it was a scam as soon as they announced all of these programs.

They're all banking on the GOP taking Congress and passing nationwide bans on abortion and contraceptives next summer. These companies are making a cynical PR ploy knowing they will only have to pay out the benefit for a short time.
 
2022-06-28 2:26:09 PM  
Differentiating in this way makes them more appealing to certain applicants who may be willing to take less in salary and other benefits, either because they want this benefit or want to belong to a company with these "values"
 
2022-06-28 2:26:29 PM  
Here's a "thread" that could just be a simple list.

I wish Ol' Musky would hurry up and kill Twatter
 
2022-06-28 2:26:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: For businesses, $4K and a few days off is much cheaper than 4-8 weeks paid family leave and insurance costs for giving birth.


Not so much that, as it is the threat of losing employees right now. Plus they can put on a public face of caring for women, while supporting Rethuglicans to escape taxes. On top of that it makes the employee dependent on the employer.

For a company that's big enough to be doing this, they factor in the family leave up front. That's if they even offer it as something other than as part of the PTO calculation. Your reasoning isn't very logical.
 
2022-06-28 2:26:51 PM  
Conservatism sounds like an expensive drug
 
2022-06-28 2:27:31 PM  

Turbo6inKY: I knew it was a scam as soon as they announced all of these programs.

They're all banking on the GOP taking Congress and passing nationwide bans on abortion and contraceptives next summer. These companies are making a cynical PR ploy knowing they will only have to pay out the benefit for a short time.


Even if they take the house, how would they get past the senate, to say nothing of a potential veto?
 
2022-06-28 2:28:25 PM  
No shiat.

It's a business move, $3k or $4k is way cheaper than 12 weeks of maternity leave or the lost productivity seen with new parents.

Then they get to wave it around, say "look at how compassionate we are! Buy our shiat! Use our services!"

It's to keep you as a good little worker bee and maintain their bottom line.  Not about compassion for the plight of their workers.
 
2022-06-28 2:29:56 PM  

Richard Freckle: Often in unhealthy dynamics a bad entity will point to a worse entity and indicate to you that you are lucky to have them.  You are still in fact subjected to an abusive environment.


This is why we need to destroy the whole farking system.  Nuke the red states and burn the whole farking system to the ground.  Only blood and fire will cleanse the country and save Our Democracy.  Let Elcott sort out the dead.
 
2022-06-28 2:30:01 PM  
Yep. Like I said in another thread: sure, it's nice for companies to assist with reproductive rights for employees in knuckle-dragger states, but what would be more useful & impactful would be for companies to ensure reproductive rights by simply no longer doing business, at all, in knuckle-dragger states.

You're looking at rich folks guaranteeing that their own rights are being protected, by backing both knuckle-draggers (who will then, of course, ensure that only the poor get screwed by abortion laws) and employees (who will then, of course, be at the mercy of employers happy to exploit that new HR "benefit" as leverage.)

Here's the fun part - how does a typical reproductive right benefit, especially if it's clearly meant to violate state law, overlap with HIPAA? What happens when the insurer - a company independent of both employer and employee - decides that, nah, dawg, I'm turning you in to the Coat Hanger Cops because you told your boss that you'd like to take advantage of that "benefit"? How does state law & HIPAA collide or reconcile on this mess?
 
2022-06-28 2:30:53 PM  
I'm sure women will be totally happy to go to gossipy Suzy-q-HR to tell her she needs the abortion travel reimbursement forms.
 
2022-06-28 2:31:34 PM  

Dafatone: rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I saw that. That can't possibly be legal.

Like... if it were, they'd just offer to pay non-union employees more and that would be that.


There are strict rules about changing benefits for union workers who are under a negotiated contract. It can't be done unilaterally. So, in order for Starbucks to make that change, I imagine it has to go through their union for a vote. Doesn't mean they won't do it, it just means they can't do it as quickly.
 
2022-06-28 2:33:31 PM  
So get this. Companies are funding Republicans that are trying their best to start a civil war, despite the fact that a civil war would tank the economy and be bad for business.

These corporations aren't always rational.

/I will assume they don't believe the face eating leopards will get their civil war.
// mass shootings are also bad for business.
 
2022-06-28 2:37:04 PM  

Electriclectic: Turbo6inKY: I knew it was a scam as soon as they announced all of these programs.

They're all banking on the GOP taking Congress and passing nationwide bans on abortion and contraceptives next summer. These companies are making a cynical PR ploy knowing they will only have to pay out the benefit for a short time.

Even if they take the house, how would they get past the senate, to say nothing of a potential veto?


Some polling prior to the decision dropping indicated there was likely to be a huge swing. Maybe even approaching super majorities in each chamber.
 
2022-06-28 2:37:59 PM  

dv-ous: scottydoesntknow: For businesses, $4K and a few days off is much cheaper than 4-8 weeks paid family leave and insurance costs for giving birth.

More importantly, the $4k and a few days off for a small fraction of their employees pales in comparison to the tax break they think the GOP will give them.


Yes, but they donated to the Republican attorneys general SPECIFICALLY. The extent making donations to congresspeople that they thought would Garner them favors, they were donating to AGs they thought could advance their anti-abortion agenda.
 
2022-06-28 2:41:01 PM  

rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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Pretty sure they can't unilaterally alter a negotiated contract.
 
2022-06-28 2:46:03 PM  

rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I have yet to see a corporation where union shops get set up that didn't universally treat all employees like dirt or worse.

I have also yet to see a union which didn't immediately set about making a bad situation worse.
 
2022-06-28 2:52:44 PM  
It's almost as if moneyed industrial interests act only in the endless pursuit of profits.
 
2022-06-28 3:00:36 PM  
Didn't read the article, but if you're a company that believes access to abortion for employees is important enough that they'll cover their travel costs, then they should not be donating to any anti-choice candidates and should be lobbying Congress for a national reproductive rights law.
 
2022-06-28 3:10:23 PM  
Republicans save them more money in taxes than it costs in theoretically infrequent medical procedures + travel. They can also change their stance later and not pay that, bringing their costs down even further. Mystery solved.
 
2022-06-28 3:12:50 PM  

thornhill: Didn't read the article, but if you're a company that believes access to abortion for employees is important enough that they'll cover their travel costs, then they should not be donating to any anti-choice candidates and should be lobbying Congress for a national reproductive rights law.


You really, really should read the comments above.
 
2022-06-28 3:23:17 PM  
I bet it's also tax deductible.
 
2022-06-28 3:24:55 PM  

PerryWinnwet: Republicans save them more money in taxes than it costs in theoretically infrequent medical procedures + travel. They can also change their stance later and not pay that, bringing their costs down even further. Mystery solved.


No no no, they won't change their stance - it'll be "a rarely used program with excess compliance costs compared to the value seen by the employees, so we're going to halt the program and use the money to (insert social issue/pandering group of the day)"

So they get the media goodwill benefit all over again for appealing to current pander group, while not actually spending any money anyway beyond the press release and a few streamers.
 
2022-06-28 3:27:27 PM  
One phrase describing it is "Playing both ends against the middle."
 
2022-06-28 3:30:00 PM  
Protecting their investment in hiring and training is not the same thing as carrying about employee health or choice.
 
2022-06-28 3:30:30 PM  

Thingster: No shiat.

It's a business move, $3k or $4k is way cheaper than 12 weeks of maternity leave or the lost productivity seen with new parents.

Then they get to wave it around, say "look at how compassionate we are! Buy our shiat! Use our services!"

It's to keep you as a good little worker bee and maintain their bottom line.  Not about compassion for the plight of their workers.


The real business decision is the travel is cheaper than the tax cuts from Republicans.
 
2022-06-28 3:32:03 PM  
Rule of Acquisition #154 Abortion is good for business

Rule of Acquisition #155 Anti-abortion is good for business
 
2022-06-28 3:38:41 PM  

rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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Starbucks is being a dick, but if they've signed a collective agreement both parties need to abide by it.  The union should make damn sure this is included when this one expires though.  Can they actually add this without violating the agreement?
 
2022-06-28 3:45:19 PM  

Dafatone: rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I saw that. That can't possibly be legal.

Like... if it were, they'd just offer to pay non-union employees more and that would be that.


Not surprising.  Starbucks I believe is also threatening trans healthcare in a similar fashion.
 
2022-06-28 5:21:36 PM  
With very few exceptions, progressive companies wouldn't locate themselves in shiathole states. They would locate themselves in states where ALL employee's rights are guaranteed, not just the straight white male ones.

So all we have to do is convince our mostly straight white male key executives to run this past the majority straight white male boards of directors.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2022-06-28 5:51:55 PM  
These companies don't hire TEENAGE GIRLS (Disney does but only like 100)
 
2022-06-28 8:46:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: For businesses, $4K and a few days off is much cheaper than 4-8 weeks paid family leave and insurance costs for giving birth.


And neither is even cheaper, but that's no longer an option because of them.
 
2022-06-28 8:50:27 PM  

rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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You know, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO STOP GOING TO STARBUCKS, EVERYONE.

Maybe add Chick-fil-A to that list, too.
 
2022-06-28 8:50:50 PM  

Dafatone: rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I saw that. That can't possibly be legal.

Like... if it were, they'd just offer to pay non-union employees more and that would be that.


I'm pretty sure they've also threatened to do that.
 
2022-06-28 8:51:59 PM  

A Cave Geek: rudemix: Starbucks is still trying to pretend they are a progressive company down with a green carbon footprint and blah blah blah while being one of the biggest corporate asshats out there.

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I have yet to see a corporation where union shops get set up that didn't universally treat all employees like dirt or worse.

I have also yet to see a union which didn't immediately set about making a bad situation worse.


Then you should get out more.
 
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