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(Al Jazeera)   Germany sentences 101-year-old Nazi camp guard to death. Well, five years in jail, but it's probably gonna work out that way   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2022-06-28 10:26:35 AM  
Good. Death that is.
 
2022-06-28 11:51:14 AM  
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

I hope he's a good Nazi sooner rather than later.
 
2022-06-28 12:03:58 PM  
At 101 isn't living pretty much the same as being in jail?
 
2022-06-28 12:36:40 PM  
Too late. he's already had his entire life, unlike... well you know
 
2022-06-28 12:37:41 PM  
Better late than never I suppose
 
2022-06-28 12:38:47 PM  
I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.
 
2022-06-28 12:39:46 PM  
Soon to feature on Fox News:

"Woke agenda goes international: liberal thugs harass and imprison elderly German man"
 
2022-06-28 12:40:16 PM  
"If only I'd died at 100 I would have gotten away with it!"
 
2022-06-28 12:40:29 PM  
And he's thinking, "Well, I had a good run.  Got away with it for 98% of my life."  Except he's thinking in German.
 
2022-06-28 12:41:23 PM  
I find it ironic that the meticulous records kept by the nazis keeps coming back to bite them in the ass.
 
2022-06-28 12:42:45 PM  

menschenfresser: Too late. he's already had his entire life, unlike... well you know


It's never too late to render justice. They might have lived a free life, but they'll die in prison.
 
2022-06-28 12:43:18 PM  

MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.


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Agree
 
2022-06-28 12:43:33 PM  
FTFAProsecutors had based their case on documents relating to an SS guard with the man's name, date and place of birth, as well as other documents.

Defendant: "Wasn't me."

Also, I'm always glad to see elderly nazis like this guy get rounded up and prosecuted. Not because his frail old ass is any danger to society anymore, and not because his prosecution will help his long-dead victims, but as a statement of policy concerning crimes this heinous: you do something of this magnitude and we will hound you for decades, all the way to the grave, if necessary.
 
2022-06-28 12:44:12 PM  

ElecricalPast: Soon to feature on Fox News:

"Woke agenda goes international: liberal thugs harass and imprison elderly German man"


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2022-06-28 12:45:35 PM  

treesloth: And he's thinking, "Well, I had a good run.  Got away with it for 98% of my life."  Except he's thinking in German.


He might be thinking in English with a cartoonish German accent, you don't know.
 
2022-06-28 12:45:58 PM  
Death is what all Nazis deserve.
 
2022-06-28 12:46:45 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: It's never too late to render justice. They might have lived a free life, but they'll die in prison.


FTFA: Despite his conviction, he is highly unlikely to be put behind bars, given his age.
 
2022-06-28 12:47:13 PM  
Interesting in that the CNN story on this said the mans name had not been revealed due to German privacy laws, but Al jezerra has it and publishes it


I remember reading here, someone posted, so take with a grain of salt, that Germany has been really stepping up these cases because the proscsocuters have a pile of money to use and obviously the pool of people who can be charged is dwindling rapidly, so people they have have know about for decades, even much lower lever secrateries are suddenly being charged.
 
2022-06-28 12:47:31 PM  
Better plan...

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/Then, 1 way ticket to Israel
 
2022-06-28 12:47:47 PM  

vudukungfu: Death is what all Nazis deserve.


Everyone gets death.
 
2022-06-28 12:48:48 PM  
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Awkward
 
2022-06-28 12:52:04 PM  

MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.


No. Americans are already talking about Trump like he is just a thing that somehow "happened" to us.
People never want to face the things they've done and neither do nations.
"When the Nazis happened" is how Germans like to talk about it.
Like with dildos. Ownership of Nazism is never implied.
 
2022-06-28 12:52:12 PM  

MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.


Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.
 
2022-06-28 12:53:29 PM  
he was just being a patriot, let him go
 
2022-06-28 12:58:43 PM  

MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.


If I told you to go have nasty-ass sex with your mother, would you do it?

No

Because you have a choice

So did he. And he deserves to answer for it.
 
2022-06-28 12:59:57 PM  
Fresh meat! Fresh meat! Fresh m--- ah, never mind. 101 years old is not prime real estate in prison.
 
2022-06-28 1:02:23 PM  
Millions of people did not get to live out the rest of their natural lives because of scum like this guy.  Once he was found guilty he should have been executed.  Giving him a jail sentence is not justice.
 
2022-06-28 1:03:56 PM  

namegoeshere: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.


just following orders isn't a defense against immoral or illegal behavior.
 
2022-06-28 1:04:31 PM  

Ostman: treesloth: And he's thinking, "Well, I had a good run.  Got away with it for 98% of my life."  Except he's thinking in German.

He might be thinking in English with a cartoonish German accent, you don't know.


And, "...und I vish I hat bin better at der Mathematiks..."
 
2022-06-28 1:06:23 PM  
Netflix has a decent documentary on that older Nazi they caught in Ohio that was put on trial in Israel and was acquitted in early 2000s if i recall.

Pretty sure the guy was a Nazi. But Israel's case was built on being a specific guard and the evidence suggested that one dude was dead already.

The documentary doesn't go deep into when/if the prosecutors knew they dropped the ball. I think they may have technically committed misconduct. They must have it wasn't the right guy... but he was still a Nazi, so they kept pushing the case.
 
2022-06-28 1:07:45 PM  

ObscureNameHere: vudukungfu: Death is what all Nazis deserve.

Everyone gets death.


They offer you cake, but yeah, everyone gets death.
 
2022-06-28 1:08:31 PM  

jso2897: "When the Nazis happened" is how Germans like to talk about it.


Well, in fairness - the people who embraced Nazism are now 101 years old, the people who came up with the idea  and made it happen in the first place are long gone.

My experience with Germans (and I lived in Germany for years) is that they happily acknowledge that their (great)grandparents went psychotic and caused colossal suffering. They're detemrine dto not let it happen again. And then they ask - and they have a point - if someone will perhaps get around to acknowledging that they're actually doing pretty OK as a country now.

That being said - it's not 100% bad to think of Nazism as something that happens. Because it can happen, much too easily. Looking at Nazism as an objective risk - like fire or earthquakes - is not a bad mindset to have.
 
2022-06-28 1:12:28 PM  
Submitter can't tell the difference between a life sentence, and a death sentence.

Its not the same.
 
2022-06-28 1:13:07 PM  

ElecricalPast: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

If I told you to go have nasty-ass sex with your mother, would you do it?

No

Because you have a choice

So did he. And he deserves to answer for it.


What about nasty ass sex with your mother!

I was only following orders!
 
2022-06-28 1:19:57 PM  

namegoeshere: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.


Acknowledging it is the first step.
 
2022-06-28 1:31:54 PM  

Billy Liar: ObscureNameHere: vudukungfu: Death is what all Nazis deserve.

Everyone gets death.

They offer you cake, but yeah, everyone gets death.


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2022-06-28 1:32:03 PM  
Don't call them Nazis.
They prefer to be called Republicans.
 
2022-06-28 1:40:55 PM  
This is awesome. In the U.S., they'd likely look at his age and not do anything.
 
2022-06-28 1:51:46 PM  

MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.


People should take note of that.  Obeying orders isn't always a defense.  Period.
 
2022-06-28 1:55:15 PM  

maudibjr: Interesting in that the CNN story on this said the mans name had not been revealed due to German privacy laws, but Al jezerra has it and publishes it


I remember reading here, someone posted, so take with a grain of salt, that Germany has been really stepping up these cases because the proscsocuters have a pile of money to use and obviously the pool of people who can be charged is dwindling rapidly, so people they have have know about for decades, even much lower lever secrateries are suddenly being charged.


And? Hell jail the landscapes.
 
2022-06-28 1:55:18 PM  

Erik_Emune: jso2897: "When the Nazis happened" is how Germans like to talk about it.

Well, in fairness - the people who embraced Nazism are now 101 years old, the people who came up with the idea  and made it happen in the first place are long gone.

My experience with Germans (and I lived in Germany for years) is that they happily acknowledge that their (great)grandparents went psychotic and caused colossal suffering. They're detemrine dto not let it happen again. And then they ask - and they have a point - if someone will perhaps get around to acknowledging that they're actually doing pretty OK as a country now.

That being said - it's not 100% bad to think of Nazism as something that happens. Because it can happen, much too easily. Looking at Nazism as an objective risk - like fire or earthquakes - is not a bad mindset to have.


They want to make sure it doesn't happen again unless the person committing it sells them oil.
 
2022-06-28 2:12:59 PM  
Any chance they could hang him by the balls for those 5 years?
 
2022-06-28 2:16:31 PM  

tom baker's scarf: namegoeshere: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.

just following orders isn't a defense against immoral or illegal behavior.


"Just following orders because, if I don't, my family and I will get to enjoy the rest of our brief lives in a death camp" seems like it might be fairly compelling. I get that you're thinking he should have just rejected that job and tried for the senior executive position at IBM but, you seem to have a serious "out of context" problem going on. All he'd have had to do to escape would be to gather up his family and explain that they have to swim to America, right now.
 
2022-06-28 2:21:27 PM  

lizaardvark: tom baker's scarf: namegoeshere: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.

just following orders isn't a defense against immoral or illegal behavior.

"Just following orders because, if I don't, my family and I will get to enjoy the rest of our brief lives in a death camp" seems like it might be fairly compelling. I get that you're thinking he should have just rejected that job and tried for the senior executive position at IBM but, you seem to have a serious "out of context" problem going on. All he'd have had to do to escape would be to gather up his family and explain that they have to swim to America, right now.


So we just ignore all the lives he helped extinguish?
 
2022-06-28 2:23:20 PM  
A) According to the article he's not likely to be put behind bars.
2) Even if he was and died while there, that would be being sentenced to life imprisonment, not death.
iii) Dude's 101 years old. He probably slept through 90% of the trial and kept asking the bailiff if he could have some warm milk for the other 10%.
 
2022-06-28 2:25:56 PM  

ElecricalPast: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

If I told you to go have nasty-ass sex with your mother, would you do it?

No

Because you have a choice

So did he. And he deserves to answer for it.


But if I did, you punishing me afterward would be weird.

/Or ultra-kinky, depending on how you dress and the method of punishment.
 
2022-06-28 2:45:00 PM  
Good, now do the British colonial administration in India next.

Oh wait, those 3 million deaths don't count.
 
2022-06-28 3:13:24 PM  
80 years later, for someone 21 at the time, who worked in a camp but had no direct role in anything?

Like, I get it, fark Nazi's. On the other hand, this is about as barrel-scrapey as one can get as far as actual Nazi's go, while tons of people above him with direct culpability and responsibility got off entirely or with even lesser sentences, and I can't help but wonder what the legal system resources used to pursue this case could have done were they employed against Nazi's that actually matter now.
 
2022-06-28 3:14:17 PM  

freddyV: lizaardvark: tom baker's scarf: namegoeshere: MythDragon: I do find it weird that Germany is prosecuting him for something Germany told him to do.

Germany is ashamed of their NAZI past and wishes not to repeat it. Unlike some other countries.

just following orders isn't a defense against immoral or illegal behavior.

"Just following orders because, if I don't, my family and I will get to enjoy the rest of our brief lives in a death camp" seems like it might be fairly compelling. I get that you're thinking he should have just rejected that job and tried for the senior executive position at IBM but, you seem to have a serious "out of context" problem going on. All he'd have had to do to escape would be to gather up his family and explain that they have to swim to America, right now.

So we just ignore all the lives he helped extinguish?


Not at all. The only issue I seem to see is was he a card-carrying goose-stepper, or a conscript whose family may have it risk if he refused. I read as much of the article before the genital warts the cookies on that site gave my phone crashed the page, and found no detail. Was he a doofus that ran the gate? Was he a reverse Sgt Schultz* who knew what was going on and "Saw nozing! Not ein zing!" Did he know and support it?

*shrugs*
He had his day in court, I hope a more fair one than those he guarded, and I support the court as far as justice for the victims.
 
2022-06-28 3:20:18 PM  

zbtop: 80 years later, for someone 21 at the time, who worked in a camp but had no direct role in anything?

Like, I get it, fark Nazi's. On the other hand, this is about as barrel-scrapey as one can get as far as actual Nazi's go, while tons of people above him with direct culpability and responsibility got off entirely or with even lesser sentences, and I can't help but wonder what the legal system resources used to pursue this case could have done were they employed against Nazi's that actually matter now.

Tuesday's verdict relies on recent legal precedent in Germany establishing that anyone who helped a Nazi camp function can be prosecuted for accessory to the murders committed there to bring the last surviving Nazi perpetrators to justice.


They had proof he was a guard at the camp.
He lied and said we was on a farm at the time.

He is covering his ass.
 
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