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2022-06-28 8:53:07 AM  
Welcome to Earf!
 
2022-06-28 8:53:22 AM  
After all the other things I'm poisoning myself with, why should I leave gas out? That's gasist.
 
2022-06-28 8:54:33 AM  
My house has a gas hot water heater and furnace, but the oven and range are electric, which I think was a strange choice.  I attribute it to being 1964 when the house was built and everyone thinking that this was the future.
 
2022-06-28 8:55:36 AM  
Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.
 
2022-06-28 8:56:51 AM  
If this were true almost all of Alberta would be ret-

Oh my god.

Jokes aside, we do almost everything with natural gas. Furnace, water heater, even my BBQ. And there's nothing wrong with me.

Except, you know, the obvious.
 
2022-06-28 8:58:19 AM  
Any professional chef will tell you a gastop stove is irreplaceable. Electric or conduction just doesn't cut it.
 
2022-06-28 8:58:23 AM  

Rapmaster2000: My house has a gas hot water heater and furnace, but the oven and range are electric, which I think was a strange choice.  I attribute it to being 1964 when the house was built and everyone thinking that this was the future.


Mine's the same way - gas furnace, water heater, and dryer, and there's a gas line leading to the kitchen.  Even though the line is there, they opted to install a brand new electric range/oven in 2012 before selling the house.
 
2022-06-28 8:58:35 AM  
My gas fireplaces and furnace are direct venting, so it's someone else's problem.  The stove top has electronic ignition, so no leakage when off. Compared to the fumes from the dress-up trucks in the neighborhood, I'm not worried.
 
2022-06-28 8:58:55 AM  
No, but Mrs. PCoC on occasional complains about other gas I'm slowly poisoning her with.
 
2022-06-28 8:59:57 AM  
What about clean burning propane? That's still good right? Taste the meat, not the heat!
 
2022-06-28 9:00:15 AM  
Worth it for a gas stove. Electric stoves suck donkey balls by comparison.
 
2022-06-28 9:00:57 AM  
Well yeah it would if you source it from Taco Bell.
 
2022-06-28 9:01:18 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Any professional chef will tell you a gastop stove is irreplaceable. Electric or conduction just doesn't cut it.


I do love my gas range but sometimes it's just too much and I have wished for a simple coiled metal burner. Also I still need to replace some of my pots that really shouldn't be used on a gas flame due to their handles.
 
2022-06-28 9:01:41 AM  
Gas furnaces, by code, vent out of the house and it's not like a range hood vent that captures "some" of the fumes.  Ranges on the other hand...yeah, we really ought to ban them for safety reasons.
 
2022-06-28 9:02:26 AM  
It turns out that houses need to be a bit drafty. Otherwise you're trapped in a sealed bubble of farts and Windex fumes.
 
2022-06-28 9:03:05 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: No, but Mrs. PCoC on occasional complains about other gas I'm slowly poisoning her with.


I know a good pipe fitter that could help her.

/bow chicka bow wow
 
2022-06-28 9:03:31 AM  
One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.
 
2022-06-28 9:03:33 AM  
Pfft! I have to manually vent 12" - 16", 800 psi gas lines all the time, and I'm *cough, cough* just fine.
 
2022-06-28 9:03:47 AM  
Gas is so much cheaper and efficient at heating your house in the winter, but it is scary it could blow your house up anytime it wants. So don't piss it off.
 
2022-06-28 9:04:27 AM  

EJ25T: Pfft! I have to manually vent 12" - 16", 800 psi gas lines all the time, and I'm *cough, cough* just fine.


You sound like you've had a day, here have a cigarette, let me get you a light.
 
2022-06-28 9:04:57 AM  

animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.


While I don't completely disagree with you, I will say that as a serious cook, I was surprised by how good the ceramic top electric stove in our new house is. Its still not quite as responsive as gas, but it is FAR better than older electric coil models. Now that we are used to it, I'm really happy we decided not to switch to gas. The stove in our previous apartment used a gas pilot, so it was always warm in the kitchen and I can't imagine it was good for the air quality.
 
2022-06-28 9:05:27 AM  

darkmayo: Tyrone Slothrop: Any professional chef will tell you a gastop stove is irreplaceable. Electric or conduction just doesn't cut it.

I do love my gas range but sometimes it's just too much and I have wished for a simple coiled metal burner. Also I still need to replace some of my pots that really shouldn't be used on a gas flame due to their handles.


I have a glass top.  The thing that sucks about it vs gas is that when you change the temperature, it's slow.  It takes a long time to heat up, and you can't just turn off the heat.  You have to move the pan/pot somewhere else to take it off heat.
 
2022-06-28 9:05:32 AM  

Walker: Gas is so much cheaper and efficient at heating your house in the winter, but it is scary it could blow your house up anytime it wants. So don't piss it off.


To be fair, electric can burn your house down any time it wants, too. And did you know you have a ton of highly flammable gasoline just sitting in your car next to your house? Boy if that goes up...
 
2022-06-28 9:06:42 AM  

gusto1214: animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.

While I don't completely disagree with you, I will say that as a serious cook, I was surprised by how good the ceramic top electric stove in our new house is. Its still not quite as responsive as gas, but it is FAR better than older electric coil models. Now that we are used to it, I'm really happy we decided not to switch to gas. The stove in our previous apartment used a gas pilot, so it was always warm in the kitchen and I can't imagine it was good for the air quality.


A pilot light? When did you move from, the 70s?
 
2022-06-28 9:07:14 AM  

KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.


It might need to be replaced or the fuse/switch leading to it has failed.  Do you have a multimeter/voltmeter?
 
2022-06-28 9:07:16 AM  

KangTheMad: EJ25T: Pfft! I have to manually vent 12" - 16", 800 psi gas lines all the time, and I'm *cough, cough* just fine.

You sound like you've had a day, here have a cigarette, let me get you a light.


He's not going to put that poison in his body.

He vapes, obvs.
 
2022-06-28 9:09:22 AM  

Rapmaster2000: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

It might need to be replaced or the fuse/switch leading to it has failed.  Do you have a multimeter/voltmeter?


Nope.
 
2022-06-28 9:10:09 AM  

KangTheMad: Walker: Gas is so much cheaper and efficient at heating your house in the winter, but it is scary it could blow your house up anytime it wants. So don't piss it off.

To be fair, electric can burn your house down any time it wants, too. And did you know you have a ton of highly flammable gasoline just sitting in your car next to your house? Boy if that goes up...


I don't have a car.

/username checks out
 
2022-06-28 9:10:10 AM  

KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.


If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.
 
2022-06-28 9:10:21 AM  
If your gas furnace\hot water heater\dryer are venting into your house you have some other issues to worry about. They are not difficult or expensive to maintain, or have tested.

Yeah, for a stove, i get it, an exaust hood isn't going to be perfect, but how much are you really running it at full tilt? I don't think they have built a stove with pilot lights in like 30 years.

I'd love to go induction but the cost for a good one, and then needing to replace a handful of kitchen stuff i occasionally use that isn't compatible is pretty steep, not to mention gas is a fraction of the cost of electric per BTU.
 
2022-06-28 9:11:54 AM  

Nirbo: KangTheMad: EJ25T: Pfft! I have to manually vent 12" - 16", 800 psi gas lines all the time, and I'm *cough, cough* just fine.

You sound like you've had a day, here have a cigarette, let me get you a light.

He's not going to put that poison in his body.

He vapes, obvs.


Just need to make it a couple more months to get vested.

Trust me, not my first choice for a career.

/still alive so far
 
2022-06-28 9:11:55 AM  
What kind of maniac cooks their home? That's not food, you dummies.
 
2022-06-28 9:12:24 AM  

KangTheMad: Rapmaster2000: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

It might need to be replaced or the fuse/switch leading to it has failed.  Do you have a multimeter/voltmeter?

Nope.


Is it the same size as another burner? If so just exchange the coils and see if the problem moves.  You could even do it if they were not the same size, just don't leave it turned on for more than a few secs to test it.
 
2022-06-28 9:13:09 AM  

KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.


I'll see if the neighbor has a multimeter. I'm sure at least one of them does, we've got a welder and an auto mechanic.
 
2022-06-28 9:13:59 AM  

EJ25T: Nirbo: KangTheMad: EJ25T: Pfft! I have to manually vent 12" - 16", 800 psi gas lines all the time, and I'm *cough, cough* just fine.

You sound like you've had a day, here have a cigarette, let me get you a light.

He's not going to put that poison in his body.

He vapes, obvs.

Just need to make it a couple more months to get vested.

Trust me, not my first choice for a career.

/still alive so far


We all turn tricks for money.

Only 90% of Farkers are living their childhood dream of being paid to be right about everything.

And I'm highly skeptical of the claims of at least two of them.
 
2022-06-28 9:14:33 AM  

KangTheMad: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.

I'll see if the neighbor has a multimeter. I'm sure at least one of them does, we've got a welder and an auto mechanic.


p.s. turn off the breaker on the stove before messing with it so, you know, you don't get electrocuted.
 
2022-06-28 9:14:44 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What kind of maniac cooks their home? That's not food, you dummies.


I'd throw a water balloon at you, but my candy house insurance won't cover that.
 
2022-06-28 9:15:31 AM  

KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: Rapmaster2000: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

It might need to be replaced or the fuse/switch leading to it has failed.  Do you have a multimeter/voltmeter?

Nope.

Is it the same size as another burner? If so just exchange the coils and see if the problem moves.  You could even do it if they were not the same size, just don't leave it turned on for more than a few secs to test it.


Good idea.

Yep, it's the coil. Time to pay the Bezos
 
2022-06-28 9:16:29 AM  

gusto1214: animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.

While I don't completely disagree with you, I will say that as a serious cook, I was surprised by how good the ceramic top electric stove in our new house is. Its still not quite as responsive as gas, but it is FAR better than older electric coil models. Now that we are used to it, I'm really happy we decided not to switch to gas. The stove in our previous apartment used a gas pilot, so it was always warm in the kitchen and I can't imagine it was good for the air quality.


I've used every kind of cooktop through the years, and gas is simply the best there is for flame control and reliable temperatures.

I knew induction wasn't for me the first time I tried to use it to deep fry and found it impossible to hold the oil at the proper temperature (or, frankly, to get it to heat up in the first place). Glass-top coil ranges scratch and score, and regular electric ranges are impossible to keep clean.

I'll take a gas range any day.
 
2022-06-28 9:17:21 AM  
Having used gas stovetops my whole life before moving and using an electric, I too would have said gas was superior.  Modern electric is easily twice as fast at heating vs my "power burner" on max.  I can also maintain lower simmer temperatures than my lowest flame setting on gas.  The only downside is you have to move the pan off the coil to stop the heat, whereas gas you can just turn off.  If I were to replace it, it'd be replaced with an induction to remove that downside.
 
2022-06-28 9:17:28 AM  

animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.


What makes you think natural gas is the best for hearing a home when electric maintains an efficiency of 97%.  If you want to get more technical, radiant heating is more efficient.  Forced air is the absolute worst.
 
2022-06-28 9:17:39 AM  

animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.


True.   Add in that newer gas furnaces, if installed properly, bring in outside air for combustion and expel it outside after combustion..  sealed system.   Power vent water heaters do the same.
 
2022-06-28 9:18:24 AM  

KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.

I'll see if the neighbor has a multimeter. I'm sure at least one of them does, we've got a welder and an auto mechanic.

p.s. turn off the breaker on the stove before messing with it so, you know, you don't get electrocuted.


He already said he doesn't have a multimeter. If you turn off the power he has no way of knowing.

Joking aside, you can probably find a manual for the model on the internet that will tell you where the fuses are.

And the municipal dump probably has hundreds sitting in a pile they'll let you take a fuse out of.

Also, you can probably rotate the fuses to see if your problem moves.

I'd it's a wire problem you might blow a second fuse though. But hey, then you'll know.
 
2022-06-28 9:20:05 AM  

Nirbo: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.

I'll see if the neighbor has a multimeter. I'm sure at least one of them does, we've got a welder and an auto mechanic.

p.s. turn off the breaker on the stove before messing with it so, you know, you don't get electrocuted.

He already said he doesn't have a multimeter. If you turn off the power he has no way of knowing.

Joking aside, you can probably find a manual for the model on the internet that will tell you where the fuses are.

And the municipal dump probably has hundreds sitting in a pile they'll let you take a fuse out of.

Also, you can probably rotate the fuses to see if your problem moves.

I'd it's a wire problem you might blow a second fuse though. But hey, then you'll know.


I swapped the two big coils and turned both burners on. The previously not working position started working and the one the bad coil moved to didn't heat up.
 
2022-06-28 9:21:15 AM  

Rapmaster2000: darkmayo: Tyrone Slothrop: Any professional chef will tell you a gastop stove is irreplaceable. Electric or conduction just doesn't cut it.

I do love my gas range but sometimes it's just too much and I have wished for a simple coiled metal burner. Also I still need to replace some of my pots that really shouldn't be used on a gas flame due to their handles.

I have a glass top.  The thing that sucks about it vs gas is that when you change the temperature, it's slow.  It takes a long time to heat up, and you can't just turn off the heat.  You have to move the pan/pot somewhere else to take it off heat.


All that, and the lack of fine heat control. There's no way to attenuate the power going to the elements--it's either on or off. Adjusting the control only adjusts the on/off duty cycle.
 
2022-06-28 9:23:07 AM  

animal color: gusto1214: animal color: Sorry. Natural gas is still the best option for a serious cook and to heat a house during winter.

The best thing we can do for the environment is to make sure your systems work properly and are as efficient as you can afford.

While I don't completely disagree with you, I will say that as a serious cook, I was surprised by how good the ceramic top electric stove in our new house is. Its still not quite as responsive as gas, but it is FAR better than older electric coil models. Now that we are used to it, I'm really happy we decided not to switch to gas. The stove in our previous apartment used a gas pilot, so it was always warm in the kitchen and I can't imagine it was good for the air quality.

I've used every kind of cooktop through the years, and gas is simply the best there is for flame control and reliable temperatures.

I knew induction wasn't for me the first time I tried to use it to deep fry and found it impossible to hold the oil at the proper temperature (or, frankly, to get it to heat up in the first place). Glass-top coil ranges scratch and score, and regular electric ranges are impossible to keep clean.

I'll take a gas range any day.


I'm not sure what induction you had, but in tests it boils water faster than anything save an electric kettle.

The only issue I have with induction is that sauteing is difficult, you can't hold the pan and flip the food, because the heat stops as soon as you lift it.  Other than that it is better than gas in all respects.
 
2022-06-28 9:23:39 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Any professional chef will tell you a gastop stove is irreplaceable. Electric or conduction just doesn't cut it.


Your mom is not a professional chef. She doesn't need a gas cook top/oven.
 
2022-06-28 9:27:57 AM  
I grew-up with electric stove tops.  I absolutely fell in love with natural gas burners about 20 years ago.  I can't imagine cooking with electric ever again.  It would completely suck.
 
2022-06-28 9:28:29 AM  

KangTheMad: Nirbo: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: KarmicDisaster: KangTheMad: One of the electric coils on the gf's electric range has just decided to stop working entirely; I can crank it to HI and place my hand on it a minute later just fine. Which is annoying because it's the one I use the most. Taking it out and plugging it back in doesn't fix it.

If it is the "old fashioned" type with coils, you can buy replacements and just plug them in. They do go bad and new ones are about $15.

I'll see if the neighbor has a multimeter. I'm sure at least one of them does, we've got a welder and an auto mechanic.

p.s. turn off the breaker on the stove before messing with it so, you know, you don't get electrocuted.

He already said he doesn't have a multimeter. If you turn off the power he has no way of knowing.

Joking aside, you can probably find a manual for the model on the internet that will tell you where the fuses are.

And the municipal dump probably has hundreds sitting in a pile they'll let you take a fuse out of.

Also, you can probably rotate the fuses to see if your problem moves.

I'd it's a wire problem you might blow a second fuse though. But hey, then you'll know.

I swapped the two big coils and turned both burners on. The previously not working position started working and the one the bad coil moved to didn't heat up.


Of course it's the easy solution when you have a lot of us experts giving you advise!

Glad it wasn't too bad/expensive though :)
 
2022-06-28 9:29:37 AM  

Rapmaster2000: My house has a gas hot water heater and furnace, but the oven and range are electric, which I think was a strange choice.  I attribute it to being 1964 when the house was built and everyone thinking that this was the future.


Furnace, water, BBQ and stove top all on natural gas.  Range is duel-fuel with gas on top and electric for baking/oven.  Really the ideal mix and never have to worry about propane tanks for the BBQ either.
 
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