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(Right John Eastman?)   How to switch your iPhone from Face ID to a passcode-requiring hard lock with only button presses, in case the feds seize your phone and just need to hold it up to your face to unlock it   (daringfireball.net) divider line
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2022-06-28 6:40:15 AM  
You can also just not set up biometrics when you get the device. It's not like entering a passcode is a major burden.

They are never going to go to biometrics only. There are too many issues with it.

They may well do like so many companies do and make the settings they prefer the default, but there will always be an opt out process.
 
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2022-06-28 7:11:51 AM  

Boudyro: You can also just not set up biometrics when you get the device. It's not like entering a passcode is a major burden.

They are never going to go to biometrics only. There are too many issues with it.

They may well do like so many companies do and make the settings they prefer the default, but there will always be an opt out process.


Yup.  Did the same and while it's the notification that keeps on nagging, Face ID isn't worth the risk.
 
2022-06-28 8:01:21 AM  
Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.
 
2022-06-28 8:06:18 AM  
The feds hook it up to a little computer that copies the phone x amount of times and hammers it with x amount of inputs so no tricks will keep anyone out...
 
2022-06-28 8:20:06 AM  

Marcos P: The feds hook it up to a little computer that copies the phone x amount of times and hammers it with x amount of inputs so no tricks will keep anyone out...


Nothing is ever foolproof. Which is why the smart criminals make sure no phone ever has anything important.


The reality of American policing is the cops are only catching the low-hanging fruit.
 
2022-06-28 8:22:22 AM  

bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.


Of course you can.
 
2022-06-28 8:42:09 AM  
Also, as a hint to others with android phones - If you are stopped, immediately restart your phone.  It will force the use of the code and not fingerprint by default.
 
2022-06-28 8:44:01 AM  
 
2022-06-28 9:17:12 AM  
Nice to see a DF link on Fark. Jon Gruber is smart and of good will, imo.

As for the hard lock, like he says the surreptitiousness of it - just squeeze your phone and the biometrics turn off - is a deeply thought out part of the design.

Privacy is for sale, and that sucks, but at least Apple sells it.
 
2022-06-28 9:17:46 AM  

debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.




Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.
 
2022-06-28 9:20:12 AM  

Shotgun Justice: Also, as a hint to others with android phones - If you are stopped, immediately restart your phone.  It will force the use of the code and not fingerprint by default.


Either that, or on the pixel builds (I don't know about the other flavors) unlock your phone and then hold the power button for a second.  If enabled, when the power options menu comes up ("Emergency", "Power Off", "Restart") there will be an option for "Lockdown", which removes all notifications and requires passcode/pattern/password unlock.  It also disables any "Smart Unlock" settings temporarily, like automatically unlocking based on location, or having a specific bluetooth device connected.

If it's not enabled, go into settings and search for "Lockdown", you can enable it there.

Once enabled, it lasts until your next unlock, so be sure to reenable it if needed.
 
2022-06-28 9:22:59 AM  

bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.


Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.
 
2022-06-28 11:10:55 AM  

abbarach: bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.

Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.



Great "Shortcut". Holding down 2 buttons for 2 seconds

How about you just turn it off? As per my comment  "Or turn it off/on."

"a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it"

So without "seeing" your phone, you hold down 2 buttons for 2 seconds (1 handed no doubt & in your pocket). As opposed to just powering off the device.

My point was a wasted article with wasted extra "shortcut". Not ignoring anything but not seeing the logic or need for an article about this (let alone multiple comments)
 
2022-06-28 11:31:33 AM  

bifster: abbarach: bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.

Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.

Great "Shortcut". Holding down 2 buttons for 2 seconds

How about you just turn it off? As per my comment  "Or turn it off/on."

"a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it"

So without "seeing" your phone, you hold down 2 buttons for 2 seconds (1 handed no doubt & in your pocket). As opposed to just powering off the device.

My point was a wasted article with wasted extra "shortcut". Not ignoring anything but not seeing the logic or need for an article about this (let alone multiple comments)


I'm sorry that "holding down 2 physical buttons for 2 seconds" is too complex for you, Boomer.  Please press the emergency key on your Medic Alert bracelet, and a Technology Consultant will be along shortly to explain how pushing physical buttons is easier to do while your phone is in your pocket than "powering off your phone", which ALSO involves holding two buttons and then using the on-screen slider Apple Instructions
 
2022-06-28 11:41:18 AM  
There are similar problems with your Android phone, but nobody gets a greenlight for posting them.
 
2022-06-28 11:42:17 AM  

abbarach: bifster: abbarach: bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.

Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.

Great "Shortcut". Holding down 2 buttons for 2 seconds

How about you just turn it off? As per my comment  "Or turn it off/on."

"a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it"

So without "seeing" your phone, you hold down 2 buttons for 2 seconds (1 handed no doubt & in your pocket). As opposed to just powering off the device.

My point was a wasted article with wasted extra "shortcut". Not ignoring anything but not seeing the logic or need for an article about this (let alone multiple comments)

I'm sorry that "holding down 2 physical buttons for 2 seconds" is too complex for you, Boomer.  Please press the emergency key on your Medic Alert bracelet, and a Technology Consultant will be along shortly to explain how pushing physical buttons is easier to do while your phone is in your pocket than "powering off your phone", which ALSO involves holding two buttons and then using the on-screen slider Apple Instructions




Ah, insults, the last bastion of the lost argument
 
2022-06-28 11:49:53 AM  

bifster: abbarach: bifster: abbarach: bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.

Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.

Great "Shortcut". Holding down 2 buttons for 2 seconds

How about you just turn it off? As per my comment  "Or turn it off/on."

"a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it"

So without "seeing" your phone, you hold down 2 buttons for 2 seconds (1 handed no doubt & in your pocket). As opposed to just powering off the device.

My point was a wasted article with wasted extra "shortcut". Not ignoring anything but not seeing the logic or need for an article about this (let alone multiple comments)

I'm sorry that "holding down 2 physical buttons for 2 seconds" is too complex for you, Boomer.  Please press the emergency key on your Medic Alert bracelet, and a Technology Consultant will be along shortly to explain how pushing physical buttons is easier to do while your phone is in your pocket than "powering off your phone", which ALSO involves holding two buttons and then using the on-screen slider Apple Instructions


Ah, insults, the last bastion of the lost argument


Ah, completely ignoring the actual point, the last bastion of someone who knows they're wrong but is too proud to admit it.

But sure the more complicated procedure that involves the same initiating step and THEN requires looking at the screen is CLEARLY the better option when you need to do something surreptitiously *wanking motion*
 
2022-06-28 12:03:58 PM  

bingethinker: There are similar problems with your Android phone, but nobody gets a greenlight for posting them.


Does Android repeatedly bug you if you don't set up biometrics?
 
2022-06-28 12:14:33 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Also, as a hint to others with android phones - If you are stopped, immediately restart your phone.  It will force the use of the code and not fingerprint by default.


iPhone users can set it up so you press the side button a few times and it resets the biometrics to require a passcode be entered before the fingerprint or face can be used again.
 
2022-06-28 12:39:20 PM  
Anyone following his advice about treating the TSA as "rent-a-cops" is really going to screw themselves.  The TSA has detention and search abilities your local constabulary could only dream about getting away with.
 
2022-06-28 1:05:32 PM  
Link well and truly FARKED.
 
2022-06-28 1:19:45 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Just as a follow up point:


Came to mention this.  my personal phone, passcode. work phone, fingerprint.  They can take my work phone and have all the fun of looking at nothing worth while.  Well, that one time Bob sent a selfie of his penis to the team text thread.

/never use a work phone for personal business, Bob.
 
2022-06-28 1:53:17 PM  

abbarach: bifster: abbarach: bifster: abbarach: bifster: debug: bifster: Wait... So on iPhone, if you set up biometrics, you cannot turn that off or change it?  Ever?

That is ridiculous if that is the case.

Of course you can.


Ok, then why the gyrations around this story & extra steps? Not sure the purpose of the story.

If one can change security settings, do so when ever any activity might have the phone out of one's control/seized. Or turn it off/on.

Because it's easier if you get pulled over to reach into your pocket and squeeze your phone, vs pulling it out, unlocking it, and flipping through settings pages to make changes?  The whole point is that there's a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it, which you seem to be intentionally ignoring, repeatedly, in this thread.

Great "Shortcut". Holding down 2 buttons for 2 seconds

How about you just turn it off? As per my comment  "Or turn it off/on."

"a shortcut that doesn't require actually being able to see your phone to enable it"

So without "seeing" your phone, you hold down 2 buttons for 2 seconds (1 handed no doubt & in your pocket). As opposed to just powering off the device.

My point was a wasted article with wasted extra "shortcut". Not ignoring anything but not seeing the logic or need for an article about this (let alone multiple comments)

I'm sorry that "holding down 2 physical buttons for 2 seconds" is too complex for you, Boomer.  Please press the emergency key on your Medic Alert bracelet, and a Technology Consultant will be along shortly to explain how pushing physical buttons is easier to do while your phone is in your pocket than "powering off your phone", which ALSO involves holding two buttons and then using the on-screen slider Apple Instructions


Ah, insults, the last bastion of the lost argument

Ah, completely ignoring the actual point, the last bastion of someone who knows they're wrong but is too proud to admit it.

But sure the more complicated proc ...



You really should stop liking your own posts
 
2022-06-28 6:15:28 PM  

Marcos P: The feds hook it up to a little computer that copies the phone x amount of times and hammers it with x amount of inputs so no tricks will keep anyone out...


I don't think you can copy the iPhone without unlocking it. Apple's hardware locks that down tight.

If you set the passcode to be complex, with upper and lower case characters, numbers, special characters, and then throw in a foreign letter (something with an umlaut above it) means it will take then decades to guess the passcode.
 
2022-06-28 6:19:03 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Just as a follow up point:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/privacy-and-data-security/forced-phone-fingerprint-unlock-is-constitutional-judge-says


Doesn't work on an iPhone if you wait too long. After 48 hours of not accessing the phone with Face ID or Touch ID, the iPhone will require the passcode to unlock.

If law enforcement arrests you, seizes your iPhone, and then days later has a court hearing to require your fingerprint to unlock it, it's too late.
 
2022-06-29 11:18:03 AM  
Android. Opens with shape trace on screen, 6 steps, 2 crosses. Never input any biometrics or passcodes into phone.
Good luck with that feds. Never buy any iThing.
 
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