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2022-06-28 5:56:19 AM  
I'm bald, shorter than average and have a life which hasn't lived up to expectations due to laziness so yeah, George is the star of Seinfeld. The really great episodes for mine feature George doing George, ultimately that one where he hits on a woman stating he's unemployed and lives with his parents and she goes for it (the scene in that ep where he shreds the NY Yankees guy is one of the best that series produced).
 
2022-06-28 6:00:30 AM  
No, too much George got annoying. it is one of the few shows where too much of any of them got old real quick
 
2022-06-28 6:04:09 AM  

Warrior Kermit: No, too much George got annoying. it is one of the few shows where too much of any of them got old real quick


There were only four main characters and it ran for 8 years I think, are you just admitting you weren't a fan? Because that's alright, many weren't. But just say you hated the show, don't pick on one character because there was too much of them.
 
2022-06-28 6:10:06 AM  
Like Newhart, Jerry is the reactor to George's catalyst.
 
2022-06-28 6:16:13 AM  
Yes.

That's why the executive producer / head writer made a quasi-spin off  was about just "George."

Also... George was based on the executive producer / head writer.

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Like in Seinfeld, the main "George" character just needs an observational comedian (Richard Lewis or Jeff Garlin) to be amused by his anal retentive escapades and a woman to be perpetually confused (Cheryl Hines). Kramer is comic relief who breaks the tension... Curb makes a point to never break the tension.  The tension is the point.
 
2022-06-28 6:45:37 AM  
He was certainly more talented and funny than the guy whose name was on the show. Jason Alexander is great.
 
2022-06-28 6:50:43 AM  
In my opinion... the ensemble did crazy things that amused while Seinfeld cracked jokes about it.  Sure, sometimes his character engaged in the crazy too, but mostly he was along for the ride, the hub around which the humor rotated.

There was no star, but since each of George, Cosmo, and Elaine had different kinds of stupid they got into, you might find yourself laughing more at one of them than the others.
 
2022-06-28 7:00:56 AM  
As he usually does, Alexander made the show unwatchable. This is a man who managed to ruin Bye Bye Birdie.
 
2022-06-28 7:17:52 AM  

RealityChuck: As he usually does, Alexander made the show unwatchable. This is a man who managed to ruin Bye Bye Birdie.


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2022-06-28 7:24:06 AM  
It happens with TV shows sometimes. Will and Grace became secondary to Karen and Jack.  Family Matters evolved into the Urkle show.
 
2022-06-28 7:33:50 AM  

FatherChaos: He was certainly more talented and funny than the guy whose name was on the show. Jason Alexander is great.


...while acting.  Seinfeld isn't an actor, never has been.  His acting was only good for someone who couldn't act.  Watching him opposite three actually qualified people... ouch.  It kind of worked with his character though - standing there smirking at everything going on around him was what he was supposed to do anyway.

But in terms of 'funny'?  I think I'd put money on Seinfeld getting more laughs than Alexander if the contest was simply cracking jokes from a stage.
 
2022-06-28 7:45:12 AM  
How about an article that explains how he got all those gorgeous girlfriends?
 
2022-06-28 7:48:01 AM  
Seinfeld had great characters, but side characters stole the show.

David Puddy was in about 8 episodes, but he feels like he was in 20 or more. Same with Micky Abbott. He is in a handful of eps but is very memorable. Jackie Chiles. Mr Pitt.

Then you got a 1 off guy like Bookman. (Ok finale too) He stole the entire episode and you remember lines. How often do have a show where some one is in 1 episode and instantly kills it? Same with Soup Nazi, Crazy Joe Devola, etc.
 
2022-06-28 7:49:46 AM  
I just wanted a Christmas card from Elaine.
 
2022-06-28 7:50:47 AM  
Dagwood is the star of Blondie, not Blondie.
 
2022-06-28 8:13:05 AM  
I've said this for years. If Seinfeld was a book, Jerry would be the narrator. We're seeing the world through Jerry's eyes. But those eyes are on George. He's the protagonist.
 
2022-06-28 8:29:03 AM  
Yes?

George and Jerry and whatshername were co-leads and the show was not structured around a central narrative. So he was as much the star as anyone.
 
2022-06-28 8:56:31 AM  
Yeah, George drove the show and Jerry just stood back and observed it with his painful stand up.
 
2022-06-28 9:21:16 AM  
Anyone who got lucky by not watching an episode is the real star here, subby.
 
2022-06-28 10:02:37 AM  
Article author is an idiot.

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2022-06-28 10:05:24 AM  

Trik: Article author is an idiot.

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George Costanza in Jerry's apartment on Seinfeld


What a funny looking apartment.
 
2022-06-28 10:12:20 AM  

Quantumbunny: Trik: Article author is an idiot.

Picture:
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George Costanza in Jerry's apartment on Seinfeld

What a funny looking apartment.


The photographic focus did seem to be Jerry's kitchen most of the time.
 
2022-06-28 10:43:12 AM  

bulsd: Anyone who got lucky by not watching an episode is the real star here, subby.


Oooo, edgy
 
2022-06-28 11:01:28 AM  
This proves that the answer to a question in a headline isn't always "No."

Sometimes it's "No, dipsh*t."
 
2022-06-28 11:12:48 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bulsd: Anyone who got lucky by not watching an episode is the real star here, subby.

Oooo, edgy


Not trying to be edgy.  Nothing about the show was original, enjoyable and worthy of the praise.
 
2022-06-28 12:24:24 PM  

bulsd: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bulsd: Anyone who got lucky by not watching an episode is the real star here, subby.

Oooo, edgy

Not trying to be edgy.  Nothing about the show was original, enjoyable and worthy of the praise.


Were you alive and an adult when it first aired? Because "not original" in the context of a network sitcom is a novel criticism of Seinfeld I must say.
 
2022-06-28 12:26:26 PM  
yeah this makes senses

"Why Some Seinfeld Fans Think George Is The Real Star Of The Show"

cause the people be ignorant in a murican kind of way, only able to understand how to give credit to one single person at a time for anything, there is only ever A Star.

Takes a whole other level of perception to notice what an "enable cast" performance  is, instead of  A Staring role with supporting roles around them.
 
2022-06-28 12:27:38 PM  
Auto correct correction:

"ensemble  cast"
 
2022-06-28 12:51:11 PM  
George was the best, but definitely fell victim to caricaturing in the last couple seasons. Prime example is The Dealership episode. The best George was the George where the rage was always bubbling under the surface, and would come out in short bursts here and there. By season 9 and the Dealership, he is just yelling at everything all the time.
 
2022-06-28 12:59:10 PM  

Rattrap007: Seinfeld had great characters, but side characters stole the show.

David Puddy was in about 8 episodes, but he feels like he was in 20 or more. Same with Micky Abbott. He is in a handful of eps but is very memorable. Jackie Chiles. Mr Pitt.

Then you got a 1 off guy like Bookman. (Ok finale too) He stole the entire episode and you remember lines. How often do have a show where some one is in 1 episode and instantly kills it? Same with Soup Nazi, Crazy Joe Devola, etc.


There's also Bob Sacamano, who we never even see.

I think my favorite one-off is Slippery Pete.
 
2022-06-28 1:10:07 PM  

Everything is Awful: Rattrap007: Seinfeld had great characters, but side characters stole the show.

David Puddy was in about 8 episodes, but he feels like he was in 20 or more. Same with Micky Abbott. He is in a handful of eps but is very memorable. Jackie Chiles. Mr Pitt.

Then you got a 1 off guy like Bookman. (Ok finale too) He stole the entire episode and you remember lines. How often do have a show where some one is in 1 episode and instantly kills it? Same with Soup Nazi, Crazy Joe Devola, etc.

There's also Bob Sacamano, who we never even see.

I think my favorite one-off is Slippery Pete.


Cedric and Bob were in 2-3 episodes and were hilarious. See minor characters that nailed it.
 
2022-06-28 1:16:32 PM  
Favorite Seinfeld girl?

Mine's Paula Marshall of Hellraiser 3 fame, NTTAWWT.

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2022-06-28 1:58:02 PM  

Everything is Awful: Rattrap007: Seinfeld had great characters, but side characters stole the show.

David Puddy was in about 8 episodes, but he feels like he was in 20 or more. Same with Micky Abbott. He is in a handful of eps but is very memorable. Jackie Chiles. Mr Pitt.

Then you got a 1 off guy like Bookman. (Ok finale too) He stole the entire episode and you remember lines. How often do have a show where some one is in 1 episode and instantly kills it? Same with Soup Nazi, Crazy Joe Devola, etc.

There's also Bob Sacamano, who we never even see.

I think my favorite one-off is Slippery Pete.


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2022-06-28 3:50:04 PM  
In the first couple episodes all the bad things happened to Jerry while good things happened to George, but it all turned around pretty quickly.
 
2022-06-28 3:53:06 PM  
George had the most memorable lines and the most memorable stories.  Jerry couldn't act most of the time.
 
2022-06-28 3:55:50 PM  

Everything is Awful: Rattrap007: Seinfeld had great characters, but side characters stole the show.

David Puddy was in about 8 episodes, but he feels like he was in 20 or more. Same with Micky Abbott. He is in a handful of eps but is very memorable. Jackie Chiles. Mr Pitt.

Then you got a 1 off guy like Bookman. (Ok finale too) He stole the entire episode and you remember lines. How often do have a show where some one is in 1 episode and instantly kills it? Same with Soup Nazi, Crazy Joe Devola, etc.

There's also Bob Sacamano, who we never even see.

I think my favorite one-off is Slippery Pete.


Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum!
 
2022-06-28 4:39:35 PM  
It's a dumb analysis that doesn't really understand the show. There IS no point of view character, because the show isn't about identifying with any of them.  This is why most people don't understand or properly appreciate the Finale.  It lays bare the fact that viewers aren't supposed to identify with any of them, and drives the stake home by illustrating they've had zero character growth.  Jerry is doing a similar routine to the prisoners to what he did to a comedy club audience in the pilot.  That's TOTALLY intentional.  He's the same guy.
 
2022-06-28 4:44:41 PM  

Kris_Romm: This is why most people don't understand or properly appreciate the Finale


I think despite probably being Jerry and Larry David themselves, the writers of the finale didn't seem "get" the show either. The point was that they were finally getting their comeuppance for being thoughtless, selfish assholes. Except they almost always had to face consequences for their actions. They rarely got away with anything and none of them were happy. So literally throwing them in jail for it was redundant at best.
 
2022-06-28 5:50:14 PM  
George is iconic but that was an ensemble cast.

I think the reason it can feel like this is because Alexander is funnier than Seinfeld
 
2022-06-28 7:07:46 PM  

Mugato: Kris_Romm: This is why most people don't understand or properly appreciate the Finale

I think despite probably being Jerry and Larry David themselves, the writers of the finale didn't seem "get" the show either. The point was that they were finally getting their comeuppance for being thoughtless, selfish assholes. Except they almost always had to face consequences for their actions. They rarely got away with anything and none of them were happy. So literally throwing them in jail for it was redundant at best.


Larry David wrote the finale.
 
2022-06-28 7:15:43 PM  

Mugato: Kris_Romm: This is why most people don't understand or properly appreciate the Finale

I think despite probably being Jerry and Larry David themselves, the writers of the finale didn't seem "get" the show either. The point was that they were finally getting their comeuppance for being thoughtless, selfish assholes. Except they almost always had to face consequences for their actions. They rarely got away with anything and none of them were happy. So literally throwing them in jail for it was redundant at best.


But that WASN'T the point of the finale.  That was the mechanism the finale used to demonstrate they hadn't changed, but not any kind of "lesson" or karma being delivered.  Even getting their comeuppance didn't change them.  THAT was the point, not the comeuppance itself.  Even if they'd had previous consequences, even if these new ones seemed redundant if you analyze this from an assumption they were dramatically being made to pay for being a-holes as a closer for the show, what happens to them is entirely irrelevant.  What matters is they bicker in that jail cell the same as they always do.  And Jerry conducts his stage act the same as he always did.  They don't... can't... grow.  That's David's point, his assertion.
 
2022-06-28 11:33:17 PM  

PvtStash: yeah this makes senses

"Why Some Seinfeld Fans Think George Is The Real Star Of The Show"

cause the people be ignorant in a murican kind of way, only able to understand how to give credit to one single person at a time for anything, there is only ever A Star.

Takes a whole other level of perception to notice what an "enable cast" performance  is, instead of  A Staring role with supporting roles around them.


Indeed, it must take an extra level of perception that I lack to notice an enable cast; you pretentious twit.
 
2022-06-29 4:50:52 AM  

bulsd: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bulsd: Anyone who got lucky by not watching an episode is the real star here, subby.

Oooo, edgy

Not trying to be edgy.  Nothing about the show was original, enjoyable and worthy of the praise.


Dig up, stupid.
 
2022-06-29 9:17:29 AM  

Kris_Romm: It's a dumb analysis that doesn't really understand the show. There IS no point of view character, because the show isn't about identifying with any of them.  This is why most people don't understand or properly appreciate the Finale.  It lays bare the fact that viewers aren't supposed to identify with any of them, and drives the stake home by illustrating they've had zero character growth.  Jerry is doing a similar routine to the prisoners to what he did to a comedy club audience in the pilot.  That's TOTALLY intentional.  He's the same guy.


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2022-06-29 1:18:22 PM  

AdrienVeidt: PvtStash: yeah this makes senses

"Why Some Seinfeld Fans Think George Is The Real Star Of The Show"

cause the people be ignorant in a murican kind of way, only able to understand how to give credit to one single person at a time for anything, there is only ever A Star.

Takes a whole other level of perception to notice what an "enable cast" performance  is, instead of  A Staring role with supporting roles around them.

Indeed, it must take an extra level of perception that I lack to notice an enable cast; you pretentious twit.


relative to being a more typical narrow minded limited reality murican, i don't mind the title, i embrace it, when the middle bell option is to defend the bliss.
 
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