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(YouTube)   Thinking about downsizing your ride to save on gas? Car Wizard points out some faux-economy cars and trucks you should avoid like the plague, and offers some sensible alternatives   (youtube.com) divider line
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2022-06-27 5:28:02 PM  
Premise: Cars that seem like they should save on gas..
*starts video*

..Mazda RX8

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2022-06-27 5:28:12 PM  
"Go ahead and get a Yukon, it's not that much worse than a hybrid model"

Yeah, I'm not going to bother with the rest of the video.
 
2022-06-27 5:50:54 PM  
WeeeeeeeeeeeeZarrrrd!
 
2022-06-27 6:11:31 PM  
Idiot.
 
2022-06-27 6:32:29 PM  

Bslim: Premise: Cars that seem like they should save on gas..
*starts video*

..Mazda RX8


Not sure if you're joking or not but... the premise was "don't buy these cars".
 
2022-06-27 6:38:36 PM  
It's a bad time to be buying cars.  First hand experience.  With few exceptions, you're better off changing your behaviors before trying to change cars.
 
2022-06-27 6:40:59 PM  

BlackPete: Bslim: Premise: Cars that seem like they should save on gas..
*starts video*

..Mazda RX8

Not sure if you're joking or not but... the premise was "don't buy these cars".


No, the premise was "Here's cars you think are efficient that really aren't".

Nobody things an RX8 is high on the list of people wanting to save gas.
 
2022-06-27 6:45:06 PM  
The list:
2004-2012 Mazda RX-8
2004-2005 Mercedes C230 Kompressor
1999-2012:Ford Ranger
2001-2007 Jeep Wrangler
1998-2011 Volkswagen New Beetle
2008-2013 Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade Hybrids

For all, his theory is that people are buying these simply because the engines are "small" and, therefor, get good gas mileage.  He apparently thinks that people are that stupid to never once check the suggested MPG of each vehicle.  NOBODY is buying those cars with the hopes of getting great gas mileage.
 
2022-06-27 6:48:18 PM  
I had a thought yesterday about how I rarely see New Beetles on the road anymore even though the model was discontinued only 11 years ago.
 
2022-06-27 6:50:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: BlackPete: Bslim: Premise: Cars that seem like they should save on gas..
*starts video*

..Mazda RX8

Not sure if you're joking or not but... the premise was "don't buy these cars".

No, the premise was "Here's cars you think are efficient that really aren't".

Nobody things an RX8 is high on the list of people wanting to save gas.


You don't want to add a gallon of gas and a quart of oil every 15 miles?
 
2022-06-27 6:52:21 PM  

NeoCortex42: BlackPete: Bslim: Premise: Cars that seem like they should save on gas..
*starts video*

..Mazda RX8

Not sure if you're joking or not but... the premise was "don't buy these cars".

No, the premise was "Here's cars you think are efficient that really aren't".

Nobody things an RX8 is high on the list of people wanting to save gas.


Thank youuuuuu!
 
2022-06-27 7:13:00 PM  
I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.
 
2022-06-27 7:33:26 PM  
Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.
 
2022-06-27 7:48:14 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.


I mean, if the sidewalks and cycleway infrastructure for that existed.  We're missing that, too.  And we did this to ourselves as a country.
 
ecl
2022-06-27 7:57:05 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.


Bike/walk 15 miles to and from work in 100 degree heat.  It's probably hard to see the plebes from on top of your giant bicycle...
 
2022-06-27 8:03:01 PM  

ecl: Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.

Bike/walk 15 miles to and from work in 100 degree heat.  It's probably hard to see the plebes from on top of your giant bicycle...


Just because it doesn't work for your stupid commute doesn't mean it can't work for trips within your neighborhood, like to the cornershop or the weed store or the library.  And even if you're not going to do it, don't you think this guy would like a sidewalk?

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Having active transportation and public transportation infrastructure makes life better for motorists, too, because now people who don't have to drive, aren't.
 
2022-06-27 8:08:28 PM  
I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.
 
ecl
2022-06-27 8:11:10 PM  

Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.


Walk or ride a bike!
 
2022-06-27 8:27:51 PM  

ecl: Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.

Walk or ride a bike!


I'm in Canada. I'm not riding a bike in -30°C
 
ecl
2022-06-27 8:38:42 PM  

Rob3Fan: ecl: Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.

Walk or ride a bike!

I'm in Canada. I'm not riding a bike in -30°C


Not even to your local weed store, cornershop, or library?  You must like be one of those Snowflakes I keep hearing about.
 
2022-06-27 8:45:42 PM  

Hagbardr: I had a thought yesterday about how I rarely see New Beetles on the road anymore even though the model was discontinued only 11 years ago.


Yeah, there's a good reason for that: planned obsolescence. They weren't exactly built with longevity in mind. They were a profit margin darling. Same reason PT Cruisers all but disappeared about a decade after they went out of production.
 
2022-06-27 8:46:30 PM  
Usually Wizard is pretty good, but I think the heat got to him on this one.
 
2022-06-27 8:46:37 PM  
A 2015 Honda CB500 gets 60+ mpg. Buy a cheap motorcycle.
 
2022-06-27 9:20:20 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.


Have you seen how large people are nowadays? They can't even "easily" walk from their table to the buffet for fourthsies.
 
2022-06-27 9:23:09 PM  

ecl: Rob3Fan: ecl: Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.

Walk or ride a bike!

I'm in Canada. I'm not riding a bike in -30°C

Not even to your local weed store, cornershop, or library?  You must like be one of those Snowflakes I keep hearing about.


My nearest weed store, cornershop or library is at least 2 miles and up to 5 miles away. I have better things to do with my 90-400 minutes than walk. I live in the boonies.
 
2022-06-27 9:23:24 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.


I recently bought a car after about 15 years; I biked everywhere.10 months out of the year I biked to work, to the grocery store, etc in all weather. When it was very cold I took a bus, but mostly I biked.

This past Western Montana winter was my breaking point. What a bad time to buy a car, indeed!

I'm still biking to work in decent weather, but at 46 it's time to have a car.
 
2022-06-27 9:47:17 PM  

Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.


^^^1000xthis^^^

Drive the old one into the ground first.
 
2022-06-27 9:50:12 PM  

soopey: A 2015 Honda CB500 gets 60+ mpg. Buy a cheap motorcycle.


And also this^^

My little Rebel500 can even haul things to UPS
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Minimum 60 smiles per gallon, even better on fun twisties.  Best tank was 80+ mpg.

And I can use the carpool lane
 
2022-06-27 10:30:42 PM  
Out of the list the only surprise is the Beetle. I would expect similar mileage to a Jetta or whatever it's chassis is based on.
Otherwise anybody that buys something like a Wrangler and expects good mileage is an idiot.

The Yukon/whatever hybrids are funny. If you look at them they've got aero stuff done to the body and usually have different wheels. All just to nudge out a slight bit better fuel mileage over a standard one. Just because people expect better mileage from a hybrid. Even though those are such a brick and a half ass hybrid that it would actually get the same, or worse, mileage if it was the same bodywork as a regular one. Which highlights that they could have gotten better mileage with the standard one if they wanted to...
 
2022-06-27 10:53:31 PM  
My 2004 Sprinter van still gets 26-28 mpg and our 2006 KIA 33+ on the highway.  I do miss my 1989 Honda Wagon. It had the 5-spd manual and could get 40-43 on the highway, 35+ around town.

Unfortunately, my motorcycling days are over. I can't trust the grip in my left hand. I had a Honda Shadow that got 55+, but the tank was so small you had to keep to civilized areas.
 
2022-06-27 11:24:13 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Karma Chameleon: I get that most people don't have access to good public transit. But most people also drive to places they could easily walk or bike to.

I mean, if the sidewalks and cycleway infrastructure for that existed.  We're missing that, too.  And we did this to ourselves as a country.


Blame cyclists for that. It was a California cyclist who fought against infrastructure on the basis that only hardcore cyclists should be on the road and anyone too soft or timid to share a regular traffic lane should just not ride. He made up an engineering specialty and literally wrote the book on proper bicycle infrastructure, testifying before various committees and getting it approved by the NHTSA. That meant that his views were written into federally funded roads and intersections. IIRC he was an actual engineer but he designed factory layouts, nothing to do with civil engineering or traffic stuff.

I forget his name, just that he was a raging asshat who played a big part in obstructing progress because he wanted to only be in the company of elites. Popularizing bicycling meant associating with people who were not elite cyclists. That thought made him upset.
 
2022-06-27 11:37:43 PM  

BolloxReader: Blame cyclists for that. It was a California cyclist who fought against infrastructure on the basis that only hardcore cyclists should be on the road and anyone too soft or timid to share a regular traffic lane should just not ride.


John Forester was a massive idiot, getting the fed to drop the headlight requirement in favor of a white reflector and thought the Dutch cycleway network was crap.  Not many other people thought that way, and IIRC, he appeared on the cover of his own book, "Vehicular Cycling", in a 1970s era Bay Area bike lane, so a bit of a hypocrite, too.

BolloxReader: literally wrote the book on proper bicycle infrastructure


Yeah, fortunately that's largely been flushed down the toilet in favor of NACTO's way less idiot design rules.
 
2022-06-27 11:46:29 PM  

Hagbardr: I had a thought yesterday about how I rarely see New Beetles on the road anymore even though the model was discontinued only 11 years ago.


??  I've saw two today

*google*

OK, I see, technically the New Beetle was 1997-2011.

The Beetle continued to 2019
 
2022-06-27 11:49:39 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Rob3Fan: I own an 18 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with a Pre-MDS Hemi. Because the truck is paid off, there is practically no vehicle I can buy which would save me money on gas after considering payments and insurance increases. If you really want to save money, don't trade in your vehicle every time it gets paid off.

^^^1000xthis^^^

Drive the old one into the ground first.


I have a '97 Explorer and '02 LeSabre. Both paid off the day I got them, when they were 5 years old. The Explorer gets horrible MPG (15-17, depending on outside temperature), but it only gets used in winter, or to haul stuff. The LeSabre gets surprisingly good MPG (23-25), considering its size, performance, and comfort.
I was thinking of replacing them both with a single new vehicle, but the current environment means they are going to be with me a while. I drive about 4000 miles each year, and average about $500 per year in maintenance. I can't see paying today's prices to replace them.
 
2022-06-27 11:59:33 PM  
Last year, 100K Civics and Corollas were going for $15K. WTF? Instead I found a Fiesta. It was not a car I would have considered before.

5-speed stick, 37mpg city, $8K, fun as hell to drive.

Loving it.

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2022-06-28 12:21:36 AM  
As long as the vehicle is paid for (no payments and cheap insurance) it scarcely matters what sort of MPG it gets.
 
2022-06-28 1:30:33 AM  

Bonzo_1116: My little Rebel500 can even haul things


And they come with a roomy 23" seat height!

/s
//but just a bit
///the Nighthawk was a fine motorcycle
 
2022-06-28 6:02:44 AM  

mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.


I wish Toyota still made the Prius V, myself: they're larger versions of the Honda Fit and get 40 MPG; therefore negating the "need" for a big SUV.

Then again, most who want a big SUV have no need for it anyway and it's about wanting something that big.
 
2022-06-28 7:47:31 AM  

Aezetyr: Hagbardr: I had a thought yesterday about how I rarely see New Beetles on the road anymore even though the model was discontinued only 11 years ago.

Yeah, there's a good reason for that: planned obsolescence. They weren't exactly built with longevity in mind. They were a profit margin darling. Same reason PT Cruisers all but disappeared about a decade after they went out of production.


I haven't seen a Nu Beetle in a while, but I see PT Cruisers all the time.   My mom even owns one.

All cars suck.
 
2022-06-28 9:32:19 AM  

espiaboricua: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I wish Toyota still made the Prius V, myself: they're larger versions of the Honda Fit and get 40 MPG; therefore negating the "need" for a big SUV.

Then again, most who want a big SUV have no need for it anyway and it's about wanting something that big.


I was looking at what's available in the plug-in hybrid market*, and for some reason they're nearly all SUVs. Who buys this crap?

*EV infrastructure just isn't there, but it would be nice to have a car I can recharge at home and use as an EV for day-to-day driving and gas for long trips.
 
2022-06-28 9:57:20 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: espiaboricua: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I wish Toyota still made the Prius V, myself: they're larger versions of the Honda Fit and get 40 MPG; therefore negating the "need" for a big SUV.

Then again, most who want a big SUV have no need for it anyway and it's about wanting something that big.

I was looking at what's available in the plug-in hybrid market*, and for some reason they're nearly all SUVs. Who buys this crap?

*EV infrastructure just isn't there, but it would be nice to have a car I can recharge at home and use as an EV for day-to-day driving and gas for long trips.


I have a plug-in hybrid and love it for exactly the reasons you mention.

Our family's second car is a small SUV.  If we were to replace it, I would definitely consider a plug-in hybrid.  And I'd get a big one, because my little kids have grown into big kids.  So, I guess people like me is who buys that crap.
 
2022-06-28 12:04:34 PM  

mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.


I'm averaging 46.5 with a standard 2016 Prius, it wouldn't be worth downsizing to the C for such a limited mileage improvement.
 
2022-06-28 10:05:49 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I'm averaging 46.5 with a standard 2016 Prius, it wouldn't be worth downsizing to the C for such a limited mileage improvement.


My 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage, which I use to commute 60 miles per day (30 each way) on well maintained country roads with few stops and speed limits between 50 and 55 miles per hour, gets me FIFTY MILES PER GALLON on average!

/some trips even come to SIXTY MILES PER GALLON according to the display, though that is just the trip itself and not the tank average
 
ecl
2022-06-28 10:12:56 PM  

Electrify: Barricaded Gunman: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I'm averaging 46.5 with a standard 2016 Prius, it wouldn't be worth downsizing to the C for such a limited mileage improvement.

My 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage, which I use to commute 60 miles per day (30 each way) on well maintained country roads with few stops and speed limits between 50 and 55 miles per hour, gets me FIFTY MILES PER GALLON on average!

/some trips even come to SIXTY MILES PER GALLON according to the display, though that is just the trip itself and not the tank average


"In the past few years, Mitsubishi have fallen down the ranks to become one of the most unreliable car brands on the market. In 2016 they were named one of the worst car brands by consumer reports. They came third from the bottom, scoring just 51."
 
2022-06-28 11:38:10 PM  

ecl: Electrify: Barricaded Gunman: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I'm averaging 46.5 with a standard 2016 Prius, it wouldn't be worth downsizing to the C for such a limited mileage improvement.

My 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage, which I use to commute 60 miles per day (30 each way) on well maintained country roads with few stops and speed limits between 50 and 55 miles per hour, gets me FIFTY MILES PER GALLON on average!

/some trips even come to SIXTY MILES PER GALLON according to the display, though that is just the trip itself and not the tank average

"In the past few years, Mitsubishi have fallen down the ranks to become one of the most unreliable car brands on the market. In 2016 they were named one of the worst car brands by consumer reports. They came third from the bottom, scoring just 51."


So far the worst thing I've had for wrong with it is a corroded connection to the rear lights. It has manufacturer powertrain to 100,000 miles and I have a third party extended warranty to 120,000 miles in case something else goes wrong.
 
ecl
2022-06-29 2:16:49 AM  

Electrify: ecl: Electrify: Barricaded Gunman: mongbiohazard: Wish Toyota still made the Prius C. Like my Fit, but 50+MPG instead of 30+.

I'm averaging 46.5 with a standard 2016 Prius, it wouldn't be worth downsizing to the C for such a limited mileage improvement.

My 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage, which I use to commute 60 miles per day (30 each way) on well maintained country roads with few stops and speed limits between 50 and 55 miles per hour, gets me FIFTY MILES PER GALLON on average!

/some trips even come to SIXTY MILES PER GALLON according to the display, though that is just the trip itself and not the tank average

"In the past few years, Mitsubishi have fallen down the ranks to become one of the most unreliable car brands on the market. In 2016 they were named one of the worst car brands by consumer reports. They came third from the bottom, scoring just 51."

So far the worst thing I've had for wrong with it is a corroded connection to the rear lights. It has manufacturer powertrain to 100,000 miles and I have a third party extended warranty to 120,000 miles in case something else goes wrong.


Are you sure you aren't driving a KIA?
 
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