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2022-06-27 10:55:35 AM  
Land? Sure.
Walk away afterward?  Maybe.

I could probably manage a small plane on an empty interstate or open field with only some injuries.

Landing an actual passenger jet on a runaway, and odds are there would be no survivors.
 
2022-06-27 11:03:51 AM  
I landed a C-130 in a simulator once. I miss pre-9/11 family day at the local military base.
 
2022-06-27 11:12:25 AM  
The whole aiming for the ground thing seems counterintuitive at first, but yeah
 
2022-06-27 11:21:02 AM  
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.
 
2022-06-27 11:21:57 AM  
It's been done multiple times. The key is operating the radio. If you can't do that then a cellphone is the next best thing. And barring that you're probably screwed unless you already know what to do.
 
2022-06-27 11:22:01 AM  
Didn't some guy do just that? I mean, it wasn't a jumbo jet or anything, but still...
 
2022-06-27 11:23:22 AM  
Only if I can use the third person camera.
 
2022-06-27 11:23:55 AM  
I do it all the time.  Man up you wusses.
 
2022-06-27 11:24:13 AM  

Super Chronic: It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.


It's an entirely different kind of flying.
 
2022-06-27 11:25:23 AM  
Well.. "a plane" is too generic an ask.

Could I land a 757 with an entire farking cockpit full of inscrutable controls - no, we're all going to die

Could I land a Cessna prop plane that can hold 3 people - maybe if an Air traffic controller was coaching me through it and I got super lucky.
 
2022-06-27 11:26:36 AM  
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2022-06-27 11:28:56 AM  
Surely you can't be serious.
 
2022-06-27 11:29:25 AM  
Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word "no"
 
2022-06-27 11:29:49 AM  
Could You Land a Plane Without Any Experience? | MythBusters: The Search
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2022-06-27 11:30:38 AM  
Most modern planes fly themselves*.

* sometimes they fly themselves straight into the ground
 
2022-06-27 11:32:05 AM  
Snakes on a plane: Kenan flying plane
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NSFW
 
2022-06-27 11:32:35 AM  
A clean, professional landing on an airport runway, without damage to the plane?  I think that's been done before by non-professionals only when they have help over the radio, and when the plane has a lot of automated landing systems to help.

Given a wide expanse of empty space, like a salt flat, I'd kinda guess landing with some damage, but no fatalities, should be possible by someone at least somewhat aware of basic controls.  Keep the nose slightly up and lower the throttle so the plane descends but doesn't stall out (say, 200 knots).  If you can find the corresponding controls, then lower the gear and the flaps, and apply brakes when you land.  Adjust the throttle so you can get a vertical descent rate of a few hundred feet per minute, max.
 
2022-06-27 11:32:51 AM  
It'd probably go like this
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2022-06-27 11:33:30 AM  
Throw some Ramones in the tape deck and I'll see what I can do.
 
2022-06-27 11:33:35 AM  
If I were to try to land an airplane, then the dashboard figurine would do this:

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2022-06-27 11:33:55 AM  
FTFA: "Smith believes that a person with no flying experience taking over the controls of a commercial passenger plane at altitude would have no chance of a successful outcome."

Really?  Because it's been basically been done- Doug White landed a Beech King Air 200 when the pilot died.  Yes, he had a private license with ~100 hours, but a King Air is a multi-engine turboprop- the difference between a C152 and a King Air is basically a Corolla vs. an Indy car.  (The King Air's stall speed is about cruise for a 152)

PASSENGER Lands Plane After PILOT DIES | Doug White KING AIR N559DW
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2022-06-27 11:36:07 AM  
Yes, but I've had flight training.  General public with zero previous flying experience?  Very Unlikely.

This came up on a forum I used to frequent probably 10-12 years ago and one of the guys was an instructor and commercial pilot.  About 12 of us pitched in to rent a 172 and we met up at a grass field with little/no traffic. He took us up one at a time in the right seat and talked everyone through it. He only grabbed the controls if things were going poorly.

IIRC, 2 of us got on the ground.  The rest sailed over the runway about 75-100 feet in the air.
 
2022-06-27 11:36:17 AM  
certainly

could probably follow the Approach Plate too

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2022-06-27 11:38:22 AM  
I could probably make it be on the ground. Might want to get put before that though.
 
2022-06-27 11:39:40 AM  
Only on instruments.
 
2022-06-27 11:40:20 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Didn't some guy do just that? I mean, it wasn't a jumbo jet or anything, but still...


I recall a story from a few years ago about a guy landing a King Air after the pilot died during the flight. The guy did have some flight training so he knew the basics. King Airs aren't commercial airliners but they do have a reputation to be difficult to fly (in other words: easy to spin). ATC was able to talk him down.
 
2022-06-27 11:42:11 AM  
Just go slowly in circles until it runs out of gas and the plane will land itself. Also much less fireball.
 
2022-06-27 11:43:45 AM  

NeoCortex42: Land? Sure.
Walk away afterward?  Maybe.

I could probably manage a small plane on an empty interstate or open field with only some injuries.

Landing an actual passenger jet on a runaway, and odds are there would be no survivors.


This.

Gravity's gonna take care of the basics. Up to you to figure out the specifics for your own safety.
 
2022-06-27 11:45:15 AM  
In a simple and slow enough aircraft, with the right kind of talk-down, it's very doable. The biggest issues, really, are lining them up with the runway and whether there are gusty and/or crosswind conditions that destabilize the approach and rollout. If you don't have to worry about stability, the rest is all about energy management, and that can be taught to an extent, in the moment.

If the runway is long enough, a higher than normal approach speed doesn't really matter - just have them come in a little hot, then try to hold the aircraft off the runway, wings level, and slightly nose high while smoothly reducing power until it finally settles onto the runway. Then it's about maintaining directional control and braking during rollout, which, for a novice, is actually harder than touching down.
 
2022-06-27 11:45:51 AM  
Yes, I know I could.

With that said, I would make no warranties about the plane's airworthiness for subsequent flights.
 
2022-06-27 11:47:13 AM  
This kid did it and saved Jimmy Carter!

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2022-06-27 11:47:29 AM  
But how much harder is it to put Baseball cards in the spokes?
 
2022-06-27 11:48:02 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Didn't some guy do just that? I mean, it wasn't a jumbo jet or anything, but still...


A jumbo jet would be easier.  The ground air instructor would get you to key in the commands for an auto-landing I think.
 
2022-06-27 11:49:05 AM  

ifky: Only on instruments.


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2022-06-27 11:49:47 AM  
Sure I could land the plane.

Of course, there wouldn't be any survivors, but the plane would definitely be on the ground.
 
2022-06-27 11:49:59 AM  

grinding_journalist: Only if I can use the third person camera.


It would also help if the ATC people tell me where the 'bounce' switch is.
 
2022-06-27 11:51:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: Land? Sure.
Walk away afterward?  Maybe.

I could probably manage a small plane on an empty interstate or open field with only some injuries.

Landing an actual passenger jet on a runaway, and odds are there would be no survivors.


There's not a lot of difference, and most of that would eliminated by ATC / emergency response. The standard would be to direct you to an airport with long runways into the wind. Once you don't have to worry about a crosswind component, they'll just have you step down to land. The biggest things would be helping a true non-pilot with all the controls. You're a pilot, even just a private pilot that got their certificate in a Cessna 150/172? You'll likely land it a bit hard (misjudge the flare) but people should walk away.
 
2022-06-27 11:52:05 AM  
Just keep this diagram handy.

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2022-06-27 11:55:04 AM  
My previous post also assumes it is daytime and visual conditions. If it is other than that, all bets are off for a non-pilot (and even some pilots that don't have experience in-type).
 
2022-06-27 11:55:40 AM  

petec: certainly

could probably follow the Approach Plate too

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I'd prefer this approach plate:

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2022-06-27 11:56:36 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: FTFA: "Smith believes that a person with no flying experience taking over the controls of a commercial passenger plane at altitude would have no chance of a successful outcome."

Really?  Because it's been basically been done- Doug White landed a Beech King Air 200 when the pilot died.  Yes, he had a private license with ~100 hours, but a King Air is a multi-engine turboprop- the difference between a C152 and a King Air is basically a Corolla vs. an Indy car.  (The King Air's stall speed is about cruise for a 152)

[YouTube video: PASSENGER Lands Plane After PILOT DIES | Doug White KING AIR N559DW]


The gap from the stated "no flying experience" to a C152 license is a lot larger than the gap between operating two different varieties of propeller airplane. Even if the speeds are faster and the controls are in different places, the pilot is dealing with familiar concepts and terminology. Ask a random guy off the street to trim his pitch and then turn to intercept the 63° radial from 115.90.
 
2022-06-27 11:56:40 AM  
Spirit executives furiously taking notes - could passengers take turns flying the plane? Think of the cost savings!
 
2022-06-27 11:57:18 AM  
They added a bunch of challenges with the new Top Gun movie, I have yet to land on the carrier successfully as it is farking hard.
 
2022-06-27 11:58:33 AM  
Loudspeaker clicks then goes on

"Ladies and gentlemen this is your  temporary emergency pilot Mika. Smoke em if you go em or hide your eyes, there is a really good chance that we are all going to die toot sweet. Thank you for flying cheap ass airways"
 
2022-06-27 12:09:39 PM  
A plane, (obviously trimmed) will fly, unless the dunderhead at the stick does something
stupid.  If an ATC is talking to them, they should be able to get it on the ground.
Now, if it is cracked up, as long as you can walk away from it, it's considered a GOOD
landing.  ;)
 
2022-06-27 12:10:25 PM  
My (long) CSB as to why I should never take over in a passenger jet:

Back in the late 80's a good friend of mine linked up with some folks in town who were working on a 727 simulator at a place called NATCO - Northwest Airlines Training Corp in Eagan MN or as I refereed to it as "Simulators R Us".  We got a tour at 2-3 AM when the simulators were down so we could sit in the cockpit and try our hand at flying.  The DC-9 sim had issues so they put us in an Airbus A320 at Boston Logan airport.  Friend took the first flight and did fairly well till landing.  Put us on the runway however we were way too far down and while the rational side of my brain was saying "we're in a simulator bolted to the floor in MN, no problem" the other side of my brain was screaming "we are going into the river!".  And we did.

Simulator reset and it was my turn.  Took off, flew around making a few banks, etc. and lined up for landing.  Got some coaching on final approach of "pull up, Pull Up, PULL UP".  At that point I think the A320 took over and set the plane down on the runway since it figured out I didn't know what I was doing.  So I had to stop the plane and hit the toe brakes.  Unlike my friend I did get it stopped back on the runway.  Sideways.  Discovered you can slide an A320 through the grass like a dirt bike.

Any time I few commercially on an A320 I had this weird smile knowing what it's like and I was glad there were pilots who knew how to fly that plane.

/end CSB
 
2022-06-27 12:11:08 PM  

RaptorLC: Surely you can't be serious.


I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
 
2022-06-27 12:11:43 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Didn't some guy do just that? I mean, it wasn't a jumbo jet or anything, but still...


Yup, first one mentioned in TFA.
 
2022-06-27 12:12:00 PM  
Depends. I use to be able to in flight sims, but it's been a while. It was just recently done (I think in FL). I assume good weather good terrain, with an easy plane to fly and good instruction over the radio, many could do it.
They have auto pilot software that will land small general aviation planes and make radio distress calls now, it analyzes the best airport and calls it in.  I'd rather just be in one that you pop the rescue chute.
 
2022-06-27 12:12:27 PM  
I paid to fly a Cessna 172 once through a program called Discovery Flight. For $160, you get in the plane with an instructor who takes care of the takeoff and landing but in-between, you take the controls. It was a blast and I now have 0.6 hours of flight time logged with the FAA.

I doubt I could safely land a plane of any sort.
 
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