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2022-06-27 6:34:37 AM  
So when does Desantis have them thrown in jail for operating a business without a license?
 
2022-06-27 7:32:56 AM  
This is deserving of an anti-Florida tag.
 
2022-06-27 7:34:48 AM  
Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?
 
2022-06-27 7:35:09 AM  
While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.
 
2022-06-27 7:36:40 AM  
Hero tag can't go to Florida?
 
2022-06-27 7:38:50 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.



First of all, they're 15-years-old, so of course their reasoning skills are awful. Did you expect Rhodes scholars?

That said, you know who has even worse reasoning skills? A majority of the farking Supreme Court.

/cheers for these kids
 
2022-06-27 7:39:36 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


You're right.

Here"s a law for sterilizing all felons before release (also retroactive for any parolled felons) and another for executing all undocumented migrants on sight.
 
2022-06-27 7:40:22 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


Eh, kind of one of the founding principles of the American Revolution.  No taxation without representation and all that.
 
2022-06-27 7:41:20 AM  

BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?


I would contend that eighty year olds shouldn't vote either.
 
2022-06-27 7:42:36 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.
 
2022-06-27 7:45:31 AM  

EvilEgg: BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?

I would contend that eighty year olds shouldn't vote either.


Raise the voting age to 26.
 
2022-06-27 7:46:22 AM  
There's no argument presented for suffrage. An irony the "rights" of a fetus are protected while" a 15 year-old's bodily autonomy is ignored is too nuanced for some Farkers.

Or, more likely, some Farkers prefer to mock and diminish minors with a larger vocabulary.
 
2022-06-27 7:46:42 AM  

BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?


Ever see "Wild in the Streets"?
 
2022-06-27 7:48:20 AM  
I wonder if Matt Gaetz is going to have a few Venmo entries with the memo "Lemonade".
 
2022-06-27 7:48:39 AM  

lilistonic: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.


Also the inability to vote doesn't relieve you of your basic human rights to life and healthcare.

And no, a fetus is not a human being. Some anti-abortion types claim it is but that only lasts until you demand they do literally anything else to protect the life of the fetus and its host, so by the weight of their own logic it is not human.
 
2022-06-27 7:52:02 AM  
Also appearing on TWISF was Republican Congressman Mario Diaz Balart.
"I think a woman should be able to do what she wants with her body, but birth is not reproduction," he said. "Conception is reproduction, birth is not reproduction."


Somebody come get their village idiot.
 
2022-06-27 7:52:30 AM  

BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?


considering there are several red states where these young ladies are considered old enough to be married (and only 2 years away from that age in Florida) perhaps they should have that right.
 
2022-06-27 7:55:16 AM  
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Too old!
 
2022-06-27 7:57:37 AM  

BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?


Not-so-hot-take:  15 year olds are, on average, every bit as informed on political and social issues as adults are.
 
2022-06-27 8:00:04 AM  

sniderman: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


First of all, they're 15-years-old, so of course their reasoning skills are awful. Did you expect Rhodes scholars?

That said, you know who has even worse reasoning skills? A majority of the farking Supreme Court.

/cheers for these kids


Roe v Wade wasn't a solid enough case to base abortion law on and even Ruth Bader Ginsberg said so.  The right to abortion was essentially built on a house of cards.  It sucks but that's how this nonsense happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html
 
2022-06-27 8:10:23 AM  
i have an instinct to say that we all owe those girls an apology, but i am unclear how these justices get their jobs.* (i mean in the days before McTucky Turtle.) appointed and confirmed by people we voted into power i assume, which in a way does make it our fault.. i don't know. i hope i live to see these boomers gone long enough for the damage to start to heal. but they will only sell the future to cling to their own present, cheaper and faster as the end comes for them. scary time.
*which is no doubt part of the problem
 
2022-06-27 8:11:06 AM  
Not to nitpick but shouldn't they be "donating" that money to the state officials who will be making these decisions now.

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2022-06-27 8:11:50 AM  

Singleballtheory: BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?

Not-so-hot-take:  15 year olds are, on average, every bit as informed on political and social issues as adults are.


Only because most adults are woefully uninformed.
 
2022-06-27 8:12:36 AM  
Let me see if I have this right.  A sitting Congressman can pay to rape a child with no penalty.  Should that child get pregnant, the child must then get permission from a parent or legal guardian to get an abortion.  But, hey, the child can always ask her rapist to adopt her, then sign the permission slip for the adoption.  But that child had best hope that the wheels of the administration move quickly, familiarize herself with all the legal hurdles before 24 weeks pass, or she's out of luck.  No exception for rape in Florida after all.

... and you farkers are going to bag on the "logic" of the fifteen year old girls who are making a political statement?  They're making a statement, for the purpose of bring attention to an issue, they're calling out to adults to protect them from Floridian lawmakers.   That's their purpose, and they've succeeded.  They aren't putting together a legislative package to present to Florida lawmakers who allow loopholes, like it's not rape if you take the child across state line.  You're worried about the logic of 15 year olds?  Really?
 
2022-06-27 8:12:39 AM  

BunchaRubes: sniderman: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


First of all, they're 15-years-old, so of course their reasoning skills are awful. Did you expect Rhodes scholars?

That said, you know who has even worse reasoning skills? A majority of the farking Supreme Court.

/cheers for these kids

Roe v Wade wasn't a solid enough case to base abortion law on and even Ruth Bader Ginsberg said so.  The right to abortion was essentially built on a house of cards.  It sucks but that's how this nonsense happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html


Yes, it was messy, but without it, many states have taken medical and personal autonomy away from women and their doctors. The ruling might be filled with attempts at semantic logic, but the outcome is that states have decided there is no natural right to what happens to our own bodies if their legislatures judge otherwise. It's hardly likely that this court will take up cases from those states which seek to redress that or any other concern of people who want to make their own life and relationship decisions. The 9th amendment will go down in defense of their particular interpretation of the 10th.

So while you're technically correct, the past 50 years of limited freedom suggests that isn't the best kind of correct. Who knows where we go from here?
 
2022-06-27 8:13:28 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


Why not? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers. (Remember "No taxation without representation"?)
 
2022-06-27 8:15:49 AM  

Singleballtheory: BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?

Not-so-hot-take:  15 year olds are, on average, every bit as informed on political and social issues as adults are.


Informed yes.  I still don't trust the reasoning skills of a 15yr old though.  By that point they *mostly* finished the cognitive changes that occur during growing up, but not all of them.  Furthermore, there is one key fact that most of them don't grasp.  They are not immortal.  Sure they say they know that, but they don't implicitly understand it.

But, that is a side bar on this topic.  I think a young woman that age knows herself well enough to have full control of her body, and not have it legislated away from her.

So good on them.
 
2022-06-27 8:16:04 AM  

BunchaRubes: sniderman: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


First of all, they're 15-years-old, so of course their reasoning skills are awful. Did you expect Rhodes scholars?

That said, you know who has even worse reasoning skills? A majority of the farking Supreme Court.

/cheers for these kids

Roe v Wade wasn't a solid enough case to base abortion law on and even Ruth Bader Ginsberg said so.  The right to abortion was essentially built on a house of cards.  It sucks but that's how this nonsense happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html


It would have been nice if Democrats had codified women's rights into law these last 50 years, but they preferred to compromise those rights away with Republicans.
 
2022-06-27 8:17:19 AM  

Harlee: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

Why not? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers. (Remember "No taxation without representation"?)


We should have another revolution, then, because Congress does not represent the people any more.
 
2022-06-27 8:18:23 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Harlee: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

Why not? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers. (Remember "No taxation without representation"?)

We should have another revolution, then, because Congress does not represent the people any more.


Sure it does.

The rich ones.

The plebs don't matter.
 
2022-06-27 8:18:27 AM  

BunchaRubes: sniderman: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


First of all, they're 15-years-old, so of course their reasoning skills are awful. Did you expect Rhodes scholars?

That said, you know who has even worse reasoning skills? A majority of the farking Supreme Court.

/cheers for these kids

Roe v Wade wasn't a solid enough case to base abortion law on and even Ruth Bader Ginsberg said so.  The right to abortion was essentially built on a house of cards.  It sucks but that's how this nonsense happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html


Probably any new cases would use the 9th amendment as the basis The 9th states that "enumerated rights are not exhaustive and final and that the listing of certain rights does not deny or disparage the existence of other rights". In other words, the people can and do have rights that are NOT in the Constitution.
 
2022-06-27 8:18:36 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

Eh, kind of one of the founding principles of the American Revolution.  No taxation without representation and all that.


Yeah but that was in the olden times.
 
2022-06-27 8:20:53 AM  

GrogSmash: Tyrone Slothrop: Harlee: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

Why not? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers. (Remember "No taxation without representation"?)

We should have another revolution, then, because Congress does not represent the people any more.

Sure it does.

The rich ones.

The plebs don't matter.


Soooo.... Same as it ever was...
 
2022-06-27 8:21:57 AM  

lilistonic: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.


Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.
 
2022-06-27 8:21:58 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.


I would argue it's as valid as taxation without representation. Particularly since purging voters via targeted criminalization has long been a method used by people in power to either keep or increase that power.
 
2022-06-27 8:23:57 AM  
Great work girls! Figuring out left wing campaigning is so easy. Raise money from people who don't have money and keep it.
 
2022-06-27 8:29:25 AM  

GrogSmash: Informed yes.  I still don't trust the reasoning skills of a 15yr old though


"I can't assail their logic, better personally insult them."
 
2022-06-27 8:30:06 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.


You do realize that there's plenty of cases where that's not an option, right?

or are you still in the "Only sluts babby" mode?
 
2022-06-27 8:33:46 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.


This is an "Incellent" insight.
 
2022-06-27 8:36:39 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: lilistonic: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.

Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.


I hope you are not serious. Because that would mean you have the understanding and worldview of a Lego figure.
 
2022-06-27 8:40:09 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: lilistonic: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.

Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.


Super easy. I've managed to have lots and lots of sex and not get anyone pregnant.

/okay, some sex
//okay, it was only once
/// okay, I came as soon as she took her top off.
////still no pregnancies.
 
2022-06-27 8:42:16 AM  

saintstryfe: GrogSmash: Informed yes.  I still don't trust the reasoning skills of a 15yr old though

"I can't assail their logic, better personally insult them."


No insult was intended.  I simply don't trust a 15yr old to make fully coherent long term decisions.  Just like you don't trust a 5yr old with a farking gun.

It's a matter of mental maturity, which a 15yr old simply does not have.  The science backs this up.

In this case however, someone with the mentality of a farking bruised turnip could come to the correct decision... which explains why the SC landed exactly opposite of it.
 
2022-06-27 8:42:17 AM  
Fark every right wing Christian retrograde conservative fascist, I hope they all DIAF, and their kids and their kids kids
 
2022-06-27 8:43:41 AM  

EvilEgg: BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?

I would contend that eighty year olds shouldn't vote either.


It would be interesting to weight votes by remaining life expectancy.

Maybe you should have less say as your vote becomes more likely to affect the next generation than your own.
 
2022-06-27 8:46:38 AM  

Unsung_Hero: EvilEgg: BunchaRubes: Too young to vote for a reason.  Who the hell wants 15 year olds voting?

I would contend that eighty year olds shouldn't vote either.

It would be interesting to weight votes by remaining life expectancy.

Maybe you should have less say as your vote becomes more likely to affect the next generation than your own.


Or, hey young people, I've seen how things can go when not enough people take societal issues seriously, and I'd like things to be better for you. Guided by experience and a certain amount of wisdom gained by that experience, I will vote for a brighter future for you.
 
2022-06-27 8:47:15 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Harlee: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

Why not? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers. (Remember "No taxation without representation"?)

We should have another revolution, then, because Congress does not represent the people any more.


I agree.
 
2022-06-27 8:51:08 AM  

saintstryfe: GrogSmash: Informed yes.  I still don't trust the reasoning skills of a 15yr old though

"I can't assail their logic, better personally insult them."


Ad hom is always a sure sign of an empty intellectual quiver.
 
2022-06-27 8:52:08 AM  

brap: StoPPeRmobile: Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.

This is an "Incellent" insight.

 
2022-06-27 8:52:44 AM  
Participating however we can as young people is how we gain some of the understanding we need to vote later on. For me, it was seeing Watergate hearing headlines when I was eight, watching All the President's Men with my mom, seeing clips from the bonkers 1976 Democratic Convention, reading Garry Trudeau's Lacey Davenport strips, having a Civics teacher who was very involved in the election process, and taking speech and debate classes (mainly to get past some of the problems caused by what my kids affectionally call "the Auts," but it did teach me a lot, also.) And then I was ready to not vote for Ronald Reagan for reelection. Etcetera.
 
2022-06-27 8:53:12 AM  

lilistonic: StoPPeRmobile: lilistonic: Fark_Guy_Rob: While I support abortions and all that, their reasoning skills are pretty awful:

"We can't vote so they should keep their laws off our bodies"

Lots of people can't vote. It isn't/shouldn't be a loophole to exist outside of the law.

They are saying that if something happened to them causing them to become pregnant (because life is not just 1984 movie script ooh let's get it on in the backseat of your brother's car,) they'd be expected to joyfully become mothers. While still being too young to vote for or against people and policies that mandated this.

Don't get pregnant. See, it's easy.

I hope you are not serious. Because that would mean you have the understanding and worldview of a Lego figure.


Oh come now. A stalk of wilted celery, at least!
 
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