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2022-06-26 6:58:46 AM  
Just spit-balling here, but doesn't this end up being a criminal conspiracy to break laws?

"So you don't think we should do what the law says? Here's the plan: you elect me to be the designated enforcer of that law, and then I won't enforce it,"

Just seriously proposing that scheme is probably illegal. Not saying anyone is likely to pursue that angle, but it is sitting right there.
 
2022-06-26 9:19:29 AM  
Gee Ric... Just when has that not been a thing?  Local magistrates and sheriffs running counties like their personal kingdoms seems very old news.
 
2022-06-26 9:21:09 AM  
FFS, don't you have to swear an oath to uphold the law when you win?  Why don't we just abolish oaths.  Republicans have been shiatting on them for some time:  Supreme Court Justices lying to Congress, Presidents, Congressmen and Supreme Court justices forsaking their oaths to protect and uphold the Constitution.
 
2022-06-26 9:21:21 AM  
I definitely trust some dude who's never left Podunk, CO, USA. to decide what laws mean.
 
2022-06-26 9:21:28 AM  
FTA: "At the top of their list in Colorado is the "red flag" law that gives judges the ability to order the temporary seizure of guns from people considered a threat to themselves or others. "

If the judge felt like someone with a gun was a threat to them I bet they'd have zero problem with the red flag law.
 
2022-06-26 9:23:29 AM  
You always start with the brand label.

Hello, I am a Republican.
Then follow up with anything you want.
"I could shoot a man on 5th Avenue!"
"I will rape and eat your children!"
Don't bother lying about governing or values.  Just say the R word.  You'll still win elections.
 
2022-06-26 9:23:32 AM  

Armchair_Invective: Gee Ric... Just when has that not been a thing?  Local magistrates and sheriffs running counties like their personal kingdoms seems very old news.


Sounds like the plot (or a sub-plot) to every second movie out of Hollywood in the 80's.
 
2022-06-26 9:24:38 AM  
What a fuc*ing mess the U.S. has devolved into.
 
2022-06-26 9:26:30 AM  
United States has always been an oxymoron.
 
2022-06-26 9:26:43 AM  
We have a sheriff like this in Sacramento County. He's not running again, but the candidate who mirrored those same MAGA views got wiped out in the primary.
 
2022-06-26 9:26:50 AM  

jbtilley: FTA: "At the top of their list in Colorado is the "red flag" law that gives judges the ability to order the temporary seizure of guns from people considered a threat to themselves or others. "

If the judge felt like someone with a gun was a threat to them I bet they'd have zero problem with the red flag law.


If he feels that some young man is a threat to his daughter he will enforce it. If someone else's daughter thinks his son is a threat to her, he won't. That's he believes the constitution says.
 
2022-06-26 9:27:05 AM  

Tyrosine: What a fuc*ing mess the U.S. has devolved into.


Devolved?

Any "progress" the US has made in the last 50 years was an illusion anyway. ERA out front shoulda told ya.
 
2022-06-26 9:28:03 AM  
They're not "constitutional." They're thugs. & I guarantee they're doing all sorts of other illegal shiat too.
 
2022-06-26 9:28:32 AM  
"The Law and Order Party," but only the laws they like.

They have the nerve to whine about antifa or BLM or whoever else, and yet they still love some form of anarchy because reasons.  Assholes.
 
2022-06-26 9:29:46 AM  
Before I clicked, I was hoping, just for a moment, that the law they were not going to be enforcing was anything related to criminalizing abortion. Alas, it was not to be.
 
2022-06-26 9:30:52 AM  

Halfabee64: FFS, don't you have to swear an oath to uphold the law when you win?  Why don't we just abolish oaths.  Republicans have been shiatting on them for some time:  Supreme Court Justices lying to Congress, Presidents, Congressmen and Supreme Court justices forsaking their oaths to protect and uphold the Constitution.


It's the elephant in the room when with Christians and government, the they can not be good Christians and good citizens outside of a theocracy because when they have to choose between law and doctrine they will choose doctrine. How could they not, if I believed in hell I would choose a lifetime in jail over an eternity in hell. You can't trust someone who believes in eternal damnation to set aside their religion and follow the rules.
 
2022-06-26 9:32:54 AM  
All across the urban/suburban South, the conversation goes something like this:

White suburban sheriff: I will nullify unconstitutional gun laws, or anything that upsets my Christian supporters
White suburban voters: Yay! Protect muh rights!
Black urban prosecutor: I will de-emphasize nonviolent crimes that disproportionately affect communities of color.
White suburban sheriff and voters: Not like that, commy.
 
2022-06-26 9:33:34 AM  
I wonder how it would be if a sheriff announced he wouldn't do something like house an inmate accused of having an abortion or not citing or arresting providers?

I bet the right would sing a different tune then
 
2022-06-26 9:35:24 AM  
"No boss, no governor, no socialist agenda will take away my focus to fight for and protect our constitution," John Anderson, a sheriff candidate in Douglas County, says on his campaign website.


He says as 99% of his workload is writing questionable speeding citations and responding to calls from pearl-clutchers who saw a Black or Hispanic person.
 
2022-06-26 9:36:37 AM  
Refusal to enforce the law should be an immediate disqualifier.

/No doubt a member of the party of law and order
 
2022-06-26 9:40:16 AM  
The idea of electing law enforcement is just wildly crazy. Law enforcement should not be political. Elections are always by definition political.

It's sort of crazy how much all public positions in the USA are elected, and why things like Fox news were so dangerous. Engage in a level of social control through fear and rhetoric abd suddenly the riled up extremists have a chance to stack the school board.

Yikes.
 
2022-06-26 9:41:02 AM  
If they refuse to enforce a red flag law and that person goes on a shooting rampage, can they be sued into oblivion?
 
MFK
2022-06-26 9:44:46 AM  
so basically the idea is "the law is what I say it is" which if we take that one step further, it becomes "the law is what OANN tells me it should be"
 
2022-06-26 9:46:18 AM  
Choosy law enforcement sounds like that whole "laws that protect but don't bind and laws that bind but don't protect" deal that's kind of part of the larger problem.

You see it's never fun shiat they won't enforce, like "County laws say no booze sales on Sunday, I won't tell if you won't! *WINK*"
 
2022-06-26 9:46:32 AM  
Translation: Look the other way when right wing insurrectionists start shiat.
 
2022-06-26 9:49:36 AM  
Our local sheriff more or less said he would refuse to enforce any mask-related laws because he didn't agree with them. (Didn't stop him from demanding more money from the budget because of COVID.)
 
2022-06-26 9:54:37 AM  
Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime

With that said this is what liberals need to start doing. Refuse to enforce Supreme Court decisions and declare the Supreme Court illegitimate
 
2022-06-26 9:59:29 AM  

Nicki Minaj's Cousin's Friend's Swollen Testicle: If they refuse to enforce a red flag law and that person goes on a shooting rampage, can they be sued into oblivion?


Nope. Qualified Immunity
 
2022-06-26 9:59:33 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Translation: Look the other way when right wing insurrectionists start shiat.


In a lot of towns, cops won't do their job just to make politicians they don't like look bad.
 
2022-06-26 10:02:16 AM  

aaronx: Just spit-balling here, but doesn't this end up being a criminal conspiracy to break laws?

"So you don't think we should do what the law says? Here's the plan: you elect me to be the designated enforcer of that law, and then I won't enforce it,"

Just seriously proposing that scheme is probably illegal. Not saying anyone is likely to pursue that angle, but it is sitting right there.


you underestimate the number of men in this country with tiny-dick syndrome
 
2022-06-26 10:03:08 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime

With that said this is what liberals need to start doing. Refuse to enforce Supreme Court decisions and declare the Supreme Court illegitimate


In a well regulated militia, behavior that poses a danger to the rest of the militia will get your arms taken away.
 
2022-06-26 10:06:02 AM  
 
2022-06-26 10:08:05 AM  
Ingroups, outgroups, bind, protect, etc., etc.
 
2022-06-26 10:10:36 AM  

animal color: I definitely trust some dude who's never left Podunk, CO, USA. to decide what laws mean.


But his feeeeeels
 
2022-06-26 10:13:33 AM  
 
2022-06-26 10:18:08 AM  
Considering what happened just 2 days ago, perhaps it's not always a bad thing for law enforcement to opt not to enforce the law to the letter.
 
2022-06-26 10:19:08 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime


Thanks, Area Man.
 
2022-06-26 10:25:23 AM  

The Four Ringer: Nicki Minaj's Cousin's Friend's Swollen Testicle: If they refuse to enforce a red flag law and that person goes on a shooting rampage, can they be sued into oblivion?

Nope. Qualified Immunity


'Qualified Immunity ' sounds like a law that can be ignored...
 
2022-06-26 10:26:47 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime


I appreciate your willingness to share your GED in law with the rest of us, but that's simply pants on head wrong. Tucker Carlson appreciates the echo, tho.
 
2022-06-26 10:26:57 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Ingroups, outgroups, bind, protect, etc., etc.


At this point we just need an acronym, or codeword.
 
2022-06-26 10:29:10 AM  

czei: Some sheriffs have said they wouldn't enforce abortion laws, saying they've got better things to do than persecute women.   That creates a bit of a moral quandary.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/wisconsin-sheriff-says-his-department-doesnt-have-resources-to-enforce-abortion-ban/

https://foxsanantonio.com/newsletter-daily/sheriff-of-bexar-county-says-he-wont-prosecute-women-seeking-abortion-uvalde-school-tragedy-shooting-guns-law-family


Same was true of weed, with sheriffs or departments not enforcing small amounts, or just writing a ticket.
 
2022-06-26 10:29:50 AM  

aaronx: Just spit-balling here, but doesn't this end up being a criminal conspiracy to break laws?

"So you don't think we should do what the law says? Here's the plan: you elect me to be the designated enforcer of that law, and then I won't enforce it,"

Just seriously proposing that scheme is probably illegal. Not saying anyone is likely to pursue that angle, but it is sitting right there.


It's the latest in "let's say crazy illegal shiat that we fantasize about being true to trigger the libs and dare anyone to do anything about it".
 
2022-06-26 10:30:50 AM  

olorin604: Olympic Trolling Judge: Ingroups, outgroups, bind, protect, etc., etc.

At this point we just need an acronym, or codeword.


IPBNOBPNP doesn't roll off the tongue.

IPOB leaves a lot out but might work better.
 
2022-06-26 10:31:02 AM  

animal color: Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime

I appreciate your willingness to share your GED in law with the rest of us, but that's simply pants on head wrong. Tucker Carlson appreciates the echo, tho.


Yah, in order to take away someone's rights or liberty under the 14th amendment without substantive due process is a absolutely unconstitutional.
 
2022-06-26 10:33:29 AM  
Doesn't seem all that different from the progressive DA thing, really.
 
2022-06-26 10:44:06 AM  

czei: Some sheriffs have said they wouldn't enforce abortion laws, saying they've got better things to do than persecute women.   That creates a bit of a moral quandary.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/wisconsin-sheriff-says-his-department-doesnt-have-resources-to-enforce-abortion-ban/

https://foxsanantonio.com/newsletter-daily/sheriff-of-bexar-county-says-he-wont-prosecute-women-seeking-abortion-uvalde-school-tragedy-shooting-guns-law-family


No it doesn't.

Ignoring immoral laws is moral.
Ignoring moral laws is immoral.

No quandaries here.
 
2022-06-26 10:44:20 AM  

olorin604: animal color: Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime

I appreciate your willingness to share your GED in law with the rest of us, but that's simply pants on head wrong. Tucker Carlson appreciates the echo, tho.

Yah, in order to take away someone's rights or liberty under the 14th amendment without substantive due process is a absolutely unconstitutional.


So it should be a simple matter for you to point to a precedent that supports your position. Right? Right?
 
2022-06-26 10:47:55 AM  
I know red states won't care, but can't blue states do something about this? Doesn't law enforcement authority at the county level derive from the state?
 
2022-06-26 10:48:17 AM  

ImpendingCynic: I know red states won't care, but can't blue states do something about this? Doesn't law enforcement authority at the county level derive from the state?


Not like that.
 
2022-06-26 10:50:15 AM  

animal color: olorin604: animal color: Warlordtrooper: Red flag laws are unconstitutional when used against people who haven't been convicted of a crime

I appreciate your willingness to share your GED in law with the rest of us, but that's simply pants on head wrong. Tucker Carlson appreciates the echo, tho.

Yah, in order to take away someone's rights or liberty under the 14th amendment without substantive due process is a absolutely unconstitutional.

So it should be a simple matter for you to point to a precedent that supports your position. Right? Right?


Read Thomas's concurrence in dobbs and accept my statement it as the joke or dilemma it was meant to be.
 
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