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2022-06-25 11:01:40 PM  
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2022-06-26 4:50:38 AM  
Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.
 
2022-06-26 5:54:49 AM  
You ever have a random burst of insight into a person long after the fact?

Ever since I was a kid, one of my favorite movies has been "With Honors." (Sue me.) Once a long time ago, I was watching it with my mother and stepfather. Almost right from the beginning, my stepfather hated and openly criticized Joe Pesci for using Brendan Fraser's thesis as a bargaining chip to get stuff to survive the winter.

At the time, I just thought my stepfather was being weird. I mean, seriously? Out of everything in that movie, the homeless person is the one on whom you start projecting anger?

Eventually, my stepfather turned into a racist, fascist Trump supporter. But I realized that the seeds were always there. Any who criticizes a homeless person -- especially in a farking movie -- must have something wrong with him.

I feel like that is something similar to what is happening today. To me, one part of the issue is a feeling of superiority. These people who are supporting racism and fascism feel like they should be superior to everyone who is not like them.

For my stepfather, he didn't like seeing a homeless person -- who MUST be an inferior human -- get the upper hand on regular people and even teach them some things in the process. Today, it is white men thinking that they should be superior to white women and men of other races.

They feel like they once were superior and that they lost that superiority. And that made them angry. Even if the superiority was rooted in immoral racism and sexism to begin with.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.
 
2022-06-26 6:07:44 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Because Black and Hispanic women won't stop having abortions, some of them will just die having them now, which is what these people want.
 
2022-06-26 6:08:23 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


They need an underclass to feel superior too and to feed into the grinder that is capitalism. The issue is that the white incubators they know aren't having kids so t hey feel threatened.
 
2022-06-26 6:12:42 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


The answer is simple: racist conspiratorial farkwits are dumb and their ideas often don't line up with reality.
 
2022-06-26 6:17:14 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Abortion bans are about creating more poor people. People always miss the forest for the trees.

I'll be honest, it won't affect my kids... the ones still in this country are planning an exit to a sane non-theocracy. My wife and I are too old to be affected. However, we also know this won't affect the rich. Why? They'll just go somewhere it's legal to get an abortion, birth control, whatever fertility services they need.

Poor people are stuck. Banning abortion is the next step for the .1% to create (in their view) a permanent underclass of (near) slave labor... slaves in all but name. To do this they need to outlaw not only abortion, but also birth control. Oh, and surprise, Clarence is already saying birth control is on the chopping block. They won't stop at the pill, IUD's, and so on... they want to outlaw ALL forms of birth control... yes even condoms. On top of that they want to outlaw sterilizations, so no more vasectomy snips or tubal ligations or hysterectomies.  They want it so anyone having sex, well any durty poors (e.g. the bottom 90%) is taking a risk they will form babby.

They want "working poor" women barefoot, pregnant, living in fear, working two or more jobs, self medicating with cheap alcohol (preferred) or drugs, barely able to cover the bills, with multiple kids. They want them stressed running from one thing to the next, too busy to be a mom, raising multiple kids they didn't want in the first place, in poverty, with poor to middling nutrition, and a poor education.

Of course for guys it isn't much different, since they want their grunt labor as well. So they'll keep the guys poor, living in fear, working three or more jobs, self-medicating with cheap alcohol (preferred) or drugs, actually unable to cover the bills, so they fall behind on their child support, end up in jail, have to pay for the privilege of being in that private jail (privatize the profits!) on work release, for multiple kids they didn't want in the first place. They want the men to hate those kids, so the kids have all sorts of psychological issues, that way they likely won't dream/strive too much, and probably stay poor.

After all, without support the working poor tend to raise working poor. That's why they spent decades shredding the social safety net.

Don't miss the forest for the trees. The HAIL JEEBUS brigade is the public face, but the people funding them and the Republican Party are the .1% who don't give a shiat about anything but maintaining a lifestyle that would make Croesus blush with envy. To do that they need a bunch of expendable (near) slaves. You want to stop this? You need to stop the .1% Federalist Society fascists.
 
2022-06-26 6:18:11 AM  

MattytheMouse: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

The answer is simple: racist conspiratorial farkwits are dumb and their ideas often don't line up with reality.


What the want is Gilead.
 
2022-06-26 6:20:56 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


They plan to kill or enslave the non-whites so it makes sense.
 
2022-06-26 6:23:17 AM  

bostonguy: You ever have a random burst of insight into a person long after the fact?

Ever since I was a kid, one of my favorite movies has been "With Honors." (Sue me.) Once a long time ago, I was watching it with my mother and stepfather. Almost right from the beginning, my stepfather hated and openly criticized Joe Pesci for using Brendan Fraser's thesis as a bargaining chip to get stuff to survive the winter.

At the time, I just thought my stepfather was being weird. I mean, seriously? Out of everything in that movie, the homeless person is the one on whom you start projecting anger?

Eventually, my stepfather turned into a racist, fascist Trump supporter. But I realized that the seeds were always there. Any who criticizes a homeless person -- especially in a farking movie -- must have something wrong with him.

I feel like that is something similar to what is happening today. To me, one part of the issue is a feeling of superiority. These people who are supporting racism and fascism feel like they should be superior to everyone who is not like them.

For my stepfather, he didn't like seeing a homeless person -- who MUST be an inferior human -- get the upper hand on regular people and even teach them some things in the process. Today, it is white men thinking that they should be superior to white women and men of other races.

They feel like they once were superior and that they lost that superiority. And that made them angry. Even if the superiority was rooted in immoral racism and sexism to begin with.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.


I was homeless for about 5 years after dropping out of high school at 16. I also worked the entire time and have an IQ of about 137. So your stepfather can go spit.
 
2022-06-26 6:27:36 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Trump and the GQP tried to fix that imbalance with COVID-19.  They're really pissed that the vaccines came out so quickly.
 
2022-06-26 6:30:19 AM  
Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.
 
2022-06-26 6:32:02 AM  
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2022-06-26 6:38:55 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Because good white, god-fearing women won't have them an ABORTION, no sireee! They'll be good liddle housewives now and know their place and pop out a dozen pure white kids for their owner husband.

Now those good-for-nothing [censored] and [censored]? They might have an illegal abortion and we all know abortions are very dangerous so some or most of them might die, but that means fewer [censored] and their disgusting [censored]-kids in school stopping the white kids from learning about the Bible and how white Jesus made America for the white race.

And as for the few white women who get an abortion and die of it - well see they was probably carrying a half-breed anyway, so they deserve to die because they broke one of God's sacred laws against race-mixing.

\That's the 'logic' of their thought process
 
2022-06-26 6:45:49 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


This has NOTHING to do with the right to life and EVERYTHING to do with keeping Bob Jones and Liberty Universities white.   Is it any wonder that none of this makes any logical sense?
 
2022-06-26 6:48:44 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Of course it doesn't make sense. It was never supposed to make sense.

The idea that anti-abortion laws were cunningly crafted to create more white babies and build the white race back into superiority was tacked on recently. There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies.
 
2022-06-26 6:48:49 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Yeah. partly, but mostly this is weird-ass religious control bullshiat regarding souls that these zealots obviously have to save, because God clearly can't stop abortions, and which helps ensure their mansion in heaven is a sweet place, with, like, a hot tub and shiat.
 
2022-06-26 6:53:27 AM  

bostonguy: You ever have a random burst of insight into a person long after the fact?

Ever since I was a kid, one of my favorite movies has been "With Honors." (Sue me.) Once a long time ago, I was watching it with my mother and stepfather. Almost right from the beginning, my stepfather hated and openly criticized Joe Pesci for using Brendan Fraser's thesis as a bargaining chip to get stuff to survive the winter.

At the time, I just thought my stepfather was being weird. I mean, seriously? Out of everything in that movie, the homeless person is the one on whom you start projecting anger?

Eventually, my stepfather turned into a racist, fascist Trump supporter. But I realized that the seeds were always there. Any who criticizes a homeless person -- especially in a farking movie -- must have something wrong with him.

I feel like that is something similar to what is happening today. To me, one part of the issue is a feeling of superiority. These people who are supporting racism and fascism feel like they should be superior to everyone who is not like them.

For my stepfather, he didn't like seeing a homeless person -- who MUST be an inferior human -- get the upper hand on regular people and even teach them some things in the process. Today, it is white men thinking that they should be superior to white women and men of other races.

They feel like they once were superior and that they lost that superiority. And that made them angry. Even if the superiority was rooted in immoral racism and sexism to begin with.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.


Even deeper than that, those white men KNOW that others are superior to them. Women are as smart as men, can withstand more pain than men, run households, educate, clothe, feed and care for children. Women work and fight and create and lead. And on top of all that women control when life is brought into the world and when it's not. Women have a power men can't have and can't even fathom. For ages, men have suppressed women and convinced them that WOMEN are the weaker sex. Just when women figure out they've been tricked and lied to, men use their courts and laws to further suppress women. Big mistake.  Men really have no idea what they've just done. Sure, they'll be backed up by a handful of women so eager for acceptance they'll betray their own sex (like there are a few Black people who betray their race). Men just showed exactly how weak they are and we know they know.
 
2022-06-26 6:54:33 AM  

bostonguy: So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?


It's even sillier than that, women of sufficient financial means (white women over-represented statistically in this category) can travel to a blue state for their abortion. Poor women (women of colour statistically over-represented in this category) won't be able to afford to do that. So that doubles the demographic impact you refer to.

wesmon: Because Black and Hispanic women won't stop having abortions, some of them will just die having them now, which is what these people want.


Yes. Then their kids (because many of these women will already have kids) will be more likely to grow up in bad environments, turn to crime and wind up in (invariably private) prisons or dead.

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: They plan to kill or enslave the non-whites so it makes sense.


They'll let crime run rampant in poor neighbourhoods, lock up those they can and not care who gets murdered, so pretty much this, yes.

The South hated losing slavery, now they're taking it back. The demographics will shift but the electoral outcomes won't because felons can't vote. A few poor whites might suffer too, but you can bet their local (white) churches will have government-funded outreach programs to minimise this.
 
2022-06-26 6:59:10 AM  

bostonguy: You ever have a random burst of insight into a person long after the fact?

Ever since I was a kid, one of my favorite movies has been "With Honors." (Sue me.) Once a long time ago, I was watching it with my mother and stepfather. Almost right from the beginning, my stepfather hated and openly criticized Joe Pesci for using Brendan Fraser's thesis as a bargaining chip to get stuff to survive the winter.

At the time, I just thought my stepfather was being weird. I mean, seriously? Out of everything in that movie, the homeless person is the one on whom you start projecting anger?

Eventually, my stepfather turned into a racist, fascist Trump supporter. But I realized that the seeds were always there. Any who criticizes a homeless person -- especially in a farking movie -- must have something wrong with him.

I feel like that is something similar to what is happening today. To me, one part of the issue is a feeling of superiority. These people who are supporting racism and fascism feel like they should be superior to everyone who is not like them.

For my stepfather, he didn't like seeing a homeless person -- who MUST be an inferior human -- get the upper hand on regular people and even teach them some things in the process. Today, it is white men thinking that they should be superior to white women and men of other races.

They feel like they once were superior and that they lost that superiority. And that made them angry. Even if the superiority was rooted in immoral racism and sexism to begin with.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.


The only part where I disagree with this is that one of the deciding votes here came from a woman.

That is probably one of the most confusing parts of this.  And it unfortunately hurts the narrative that we are all thinking - that white men did this.  Nope.  One of them was a woman.
 
2022-06-26 7:01:36 AM  

RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.


RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.
 
2022-06-26 7:05:23 AM  

wesmon: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

Because Black and Hispanic women won't stop having abortions, some of them will just die having them now, which is what these people want.


Oh come on, you and I know they don't plan on waiting that long to kill them.
 
2022-06-26 7:07:28 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


When they came up with the idea, white women were getting the majority of abortions.  Of course, once you demonize it to a large segment of the population, and that segment mostly stops, it drops for that segment, and  you can't just stop because then you've whipped a bunch of stupid people into a frothing lather about it.
 
2022-06-26 7:09:08 AM  

Gyrfalcon: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

Of course it doesn't make sense. It was never supposed to make sense.

The idea that anti-abortion laws were cunningly crafted to create more white babies and build the white race back into superiority was tacked on recently. There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies.


"There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies."

It has been the organizing nexus and rallying cry of conservatives since the late 70s -- you know, after they couldn't publically call for segregation anymore as a cause celebre.

Nothing more. Evangelicals used to support a women's right to choose.
 
2022-06-26 7:11:24 AM  

Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.


"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.
 
2022-06-26 7:12:22 AM  

durbnpoisn: The only part where I disagree with this is that one of the deciding votes here came from a woman.

That is probably one of the most confusing parts of this. And it unfortunately hurts the narrative that we are all thinking - that white men did this. Nope. One of them was a woman.


There are gay republicans. Clarence Thomas is black. There have always been those that for whatever reason will side with the enemy against their own. It doesn't hurt the narrative at all.
 
2022-06-26 7:12:55 AM  

durbnpoisn: The only part where I disagree with this is that one of the deciding votes here came from a woman.

That is probably one of the most confusing parts of this.  And it unfortunately hurts the narrative that we are all thinking - that white men did this.  Nope.  One of them was a woman.


She's not a woman with free will. She is a member of People of Praise. As a woman, she is not allowed to think for herself and is directed in how to vote, what to say, etc. by a more "spiritually mature" person (AKA "man")
 
2022-06-26 7:13:57 AM  

RasIanI: Gyrfalcon: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

Of course it doesn't make sense. It was never supposed to make sense.

The idea that anti-abortion laws were cunningly crafted to create more white babies and build the white race back into superiority was tacked on recently. There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies.

"There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies."

It has been the organizing nexus and rallying cry of conservatives since the late 70s -- you know, after they couldn't publically call for segregation anymore as a cause celebre.

Nothing more. Evangelicals used to support a women's right to choose.


You haven't heard that one?  That's a favorite of Dominionists, especially.
 
2022-06-26 7:14:26 AM  

RasIanI: Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.

"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.


That's obvious to everyone except the christian nationalist nutjobs who are determined to impose their way of life on everyone else, and Stud Gerbil was quoting one of these clowns. It's what they really believe and, as was pointed out in his post, they're increasingly in positions of real power.
 
2022-06-26 7:15:00 AM  
I'm more surprised they got this string a reaction from Evers.  He was a career teacher and principal so REALLY have to fark up to make him swear.
 
2022-06-26 7:17:25 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


How many times does it have to be explained to you that it's not about population control?

It's about financial and societal control.  Women and impoverished families no longer being forced to have children they can't afford was huge in reducing poverty levels, and freeing people to pursue educations and careers that were previously inaccessible.
 
2022-06-26 7:17:49 AM  

vrax: RasIanI: Gyrfalcon: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

Of course it doesn't make sense. It was never supposed to make sense.

The idea that anti-abortion laws were cunningly crafted to create more white babies and build the white race back into superiority was tacked on recently. There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies.

"There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies."

It has been the organizing nexus and rallying cry of conservatives since the late 70s -- you know, after they couldn't publically call for segregation anymore as a cause celebre.

Nothing more. Evangelicals used to support a women's right to choose.

You haven't heard that one?  That's a favorite of Dominionists, especially.


Uhh...  That was supposed to be a response to your freedom.of religion, not freedom from religion post...sigh.
 
2022-06-26 7:26:18 AM  
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2022-06-26 7:29:18 AM  

RasIanI: Gyrfalcon: bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.

Of course it doesn't make sense. It was never supposed to make sense.

The idea that anti-abortion laws were cunningly crafted to create more white babies and build the white race back into superiority was tacked on recently. There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies.

"There is a LOT more baggage that goes with the whole anti-abortion bullshiat than just make white babies."

It has been the organizing nexus and rallying cry of conservatives since the late 70s -- you know, after they couldn't publically call for segregation anymore as a cause celebre.

Nothing more. Evangelicals used to support a women's right to choose.


Source please? My cultural background is Evangelical so I'd like to understand the history more.
 
2022-06-26 7:30:53 AM  

bostonguy: Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.


One other point I forgot to add: Far-right idiots have no ability to empathize with anyone who is not like them. (Usually because they think they are inferior, worthless, or just plain evil.)

My stepfather had no ability to empathize with a homeless person in a movie and why he might do the things he does. Other far-right idiots cannot empathize with anyone who is not white, straight, Christian, and male.
 
2022-06-26 7:31:55 AM  

bostonguy: You ever have a random burst of insight into a person long after the fact?

Ever since I was a kid, one of my favorite movies has been "With Honors." (Sue me.) Once a long time ago, I was watching it with my mother and stepfather. Almost right from the beginning, my stepfather hated and openly criticized Joe Pesci for using Brendan Fraser's thesis as a bargaining chip to get stuff to survive the winter.

At the time, I just thought my stepfather was being weird. I mean, seriously? Out of everything in that movie, the homeless person is the one on whom you start projecting anger?

Eventually, my stepfather turned into a racist, fascist Trump supporter. But I realized that the seeds were always there. Any who criticizes a homeless person -- especially in a farking movie -- must have something wrong with him.

I feel like that is something similar to what is happening today. To me, one part of the issue is a feeling of superiority. These people who are supporting racism and fascism feel like they should be superior to everyone who is not like them.

For my stepfather, he didn't like seeing a homeless person -- who MUST be an inferior human -- get the upper hand on regular people and even teach them some things in the process. Today, it is white men thinking that they should be superior to white women and men of other races.

They feel like they once were superior and that they lost that superiority. And that made them angry. Even if the superiority was rooted in immoral racism and sexism to begin with.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk on Fark.


He must have really hated Trading Places.
 
2022-06-26 7:32:43 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Exactly. I thought minorities got much higher abortion rates. Wouldn't this increase the number of minorities? I thought tgey wanted fewer. If they are "anchor babies" wouldn't that be even worse because you can't deport them now. Plus further drain on welfare.

I don't think they thought their cunning plan through.
 
2022-06-26 7:33:00 AM  
Just another example of the " I can tell you how to live your life but you can't tell me nothing" party. Just like gay marriage doesn't affect straight Christians but they have very strong opinions on it.
 
2022-06-26 7:33:12 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


I've actually said this on multiple occasions.
I don't understand this.
 
2022-06-26 7:34:02 AM  

Ms. Hushpuppy: RasIanI: Gyrfalcon: bostonguy: ....

Nothing more. Evangelicals used to support a women's right to choose.

Source please? My cultural background is Evangelical so I'd like to understand the history more.


My guess is this is a slight misinterpretation. Evangelicals used to believe that life begins at birth, not conception, but that's not the same as supporting a woman's right to choose. It was a way of pissing off the catholics I suspect. Then they switched positions, won over the catholics to voting Republican, and hey presto Ronnie Reagan is prez for two terms.

Evangelicals have never supported women's rights other than the right to be a good home-maker to the best of my knowledge.

However I'm of course happy to be corrected on any of this if anyone's got better information.
 
2022-06-26 7:36:18 AM  
Senator Hatch: You did. What about this statement: The only legitimate way for a judge to go about defining the law is by attempting to discern what those who made the law intended.

Judge Ginsburg: I think all people could agree with that. But as I tried to say in response to the chairman's question, trying to divine what the Framers intended, I must look at that matter two ways. One is what they might have intended immediately for their day, and the other is their larger expectation that the Constitution would govern, as Cardozo said, not for the passing hour, but for the expanding future. And I know no better illustration of that than to take the words of the great man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson said: "Were our state a pure democracy, there would still be excluded from our deliberations women who, to prevent depravation of morals and ambiguity of issues, should not mix promiscuously in gatherings of men." Nonetheless, I do believe that Thomas Jefferson, were he alive today, would say that women are equal citizens. * * * So I see an immediate intent about how an ideal is going to be recognized at a given time and place, but also a larger aspiration as our society improves. I think the Framers were intending to create a more perfect union that would become ever more perfect with time.
Senator Hatch: I think that is a good way of putting it.


The above tells it. Does one interpret The Constitution in light of the aspirations of those people of the Enlightenment, even though they failed to live up to many of their principles? Or do we anchor ourselves in some frozen accident of time, trapped in a "tradition" rooted in foundations of ignorance. We know where the current SCOTUS sits.
 
2022-06-26 7:39:33 AM  

Ms. Hushpuppy: Source please? My cultural background is Evangelical so I'd like to understand the history more.


https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-evangelicals-history-on-the-abortion-issue
There are better refs but it's a start
 
2022-06-26 7:46:43 AM  

RasIanI: Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.

"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.


Yeah, my dad loved to spout that "freedom from religion" bullshiat, too. Granted, he also love Limbaugh, Hannity, and Gingrich, so no shocker. It's sad that I'm kinda glad he's dead because I don't want to know how far into this Q crap he would have fallen. He was always a bit prone to conspiracy theories. As smart as he was, he was also a bit gullible.
 
2022-06-26 7:48:20 AM  
Hero tag

LOL this farking site
 
2022-06-26 7:49:28 AM  

Alwysadydrmr: RasIanI: Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.

"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.

Yeah, my dad loved to spout that "freedom from religion" bullshiat, too. Granted, he also love Limbaugh, Hannity, and Gingrich, so no shocker. It's sad that I'm kinda glad he's dead because I don't want to know how far into this Q crap he would have fallen. He was always a bit prone to conspiracy theories. As smart as he was, he was also a bit gullible.


Sounds like my dad, but we did an intervention on him and he's seen the light.  He's still a devout Catholic and anti-abortion for that reason alone, but he otherwise hates the Republicans now.
 
2022-06-26 7:51:42 AM  

Halfabee64: Alwysadydrmr: RasIanI: Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.

"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.

Yeah, my dad loved to spout that "freedom from religion" bullshiat, too. Granted, he also love Limbaugh, Hannity, and Gingrich, so no shocker. It's sad that I'm kinda glad he's dead because I don't want to know how far into this Q crap he would have fallen. He was always a bit prone to conspiracy theories. As smart as he was, he was also a bit gullible.

Sounds like my dad, but we did an intervention on him and he's seen the light.  He's still a devout Catholic and anti-abortion for that reason alone, but he otherwise hates the Republicans now.


How did that work? Like, seriously - what did you (or someone else) say that finally got through?
 
2022-06-26 7:54:33 AM  
Pffffft, everyone became second tiered citizens, including all but the top 5% of the wealth pool.

They used the threat of taking away women's rights to impose a massive surveillance-state to distract you while your lifespan becomes shortened and quality of life diminishes.

The W Bush out front should have told ya!
 
2022-06-26 7:55:25 AM  
What the SCOTUS doesn't get is that Roe vs Wade worked both ways.  It gave women the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

Operative word here is "not."

Overturning it has opened the door not only to banning abortions but also to forcing people to have them, and I don't need to tell anyone here exactly where the Trumpers intend to take that newfound power.  Anyone they deem "undesirable" will, over the next few years, find their right to reproduce has been legally eliminated.

Imagine police cars coming to some house and dragging out a pregnant black woman because she's violating the new "one child for non-whites" policy that God Emperor Trump has put into effect, then dragging her off to the "Purification Center" to not only have her fetus yanked out but also to have her sterilized just to make sure they don't have to come back a second time.

And I hope to God that Clarence Thomas is still alive to see that when it happens.
 
2022-06-26 7:56:57 AM  

bostonguy: Something I don't understand -- anyone know more about this issue than I?

Supposedly, anti-abortion laws are partly a way to make white women have more babies (and, in the minds of racists, prevent the "elimination" of white people).

But black and Hispanic women have the highest abortion rates. So, wouldn't anti-abortion laws not support their (racist) argument and actually lead to more non-white people?

Of course, I never said that racist, Nazi farks were logical.


Racism if for everyone, but the wealthy also ger to wage a class war and the idiots that support them keep right on chanting blood and soil because they are blind and stupid.

Hurting whites and non-whites, doesn't matter, a wage slave is a wage slave.
 
2022-06-26 7:57:00 AM  

Halfabee64: Alwysadydrmr: RasIanI: Stud Gerbil: RasIanI: Yup. Alito made it very clear that he doesn't acknowledge that any American -- not just women - has an inherent constitutional right to privacy, despite that right being defined in the 14th Amendment.

To say abortion is not specifically named as a right is incredibly disingenuous and blinkered.

RWNJ say things like this all the time.   One of my favorites is "You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," which was stated by my USAF unit CO many times.   He was a Major working on LCol when I got out.   There are shiatloads of people just like him throughout the military and government and other occupations that attract control freaks that hate everyone.

"You have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,"

lol, wut?

You most certainly are free from religon - if you choose - and the other human beings around you have any respect.

Yeah, my dad loved to spout that "freedom from religion" bullshiat, too. Granted, he also love Limbaugh, Hannity, and Gingrich, so no shocker. It's sad that I'm kinda glad he's dead because I don't want to know how far into this Q crap he would have fallen. He was always a bit prone to conspiracy theories. As smart as he was, he was also a bit gullible.

Sounds like my dad, but we did an intervention on him and he's seen the light.  He's still a devout Catholic and anti-abortion for that reason alone, but he otherwise hates the Republicans now.


It doesn't matter if he hates them if he still votes for them because of abortion.

Making a world that people feel like they can bring kids into is what actually lowers abortion. Educating people about how their reproductive system functions lowers abortion. Just in case he doesn't, if he's anti abortion, he definitely needs to vote against Republicans as well.
 
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