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2022-06-25 8:01:58 PM  
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2022-06-25 8:39:07 PM  
Bit hard to blame companies for cynical contributions to GOP.

Citizens United decision opened the floodgates for corp 'investment' in politicians. GOP (and probably most/all pols) have explicitly tied legislation to campaign contributions.

if you don't pay, you don't play

Need to attack the foundation of the system rather than complain about the effects
 
2022-06-25 9:02:06 PM  

mjjt: Need to attack the foundation of the system rather than complain about the effects


Por que no Los dos?
 
2022-06-25 9:33:03 PM  
It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.
 
2022-06-25 9:54:59 PM  

cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.


It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.
 
2022-06-25 10:04:44 PM  

Bootleg: cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.

It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.


and there used to be government funded healthcare.
That's what county and state hospitals were.
But for-profit hospitals hated it, so rallied people against them by....tax cuts....
 
2022-06-26 12:08:49 AM  
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2022-06-26 12:09:53 AM  
Time for blue state strategies to court businesses and help people that need to migrate from a Puritan/Nazi state to find a place to live and work without being treated like second class citizens or worse.
 
2022-06-26 12:14:28 AM  

mjjt: Bit hard to blame companies for cynical contributions to GOP.


No it's not if you're not a corporate sheep
 
2022-06-26 12:14:54 AM  

Bootleg: cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.

It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.


How many people are actually worried about abortion insurance from their job? Despite what republicans would have you believe most women don't just go out and get abortions like they buy a new pair of shoes. Companies are offering this as a public relations gimmick, nothing more.  The cost to them will be absolutely minimal because this is a thing that will be very rare.
 
2022-06-26 12:15:11 AM  
Do not trust advertising because that is what this is for these companies.  These companies that promise to "help" will quickly and quietly dismantle their programs after first trying things like only good for one trip, not valid during short staffing, etc., when they decide that their drones are spending too much time out of work or that women must be using them as extra vacation time.  The logical step is to make the programs too inacessible to use and then get rid of them because no one is using them, but they'll always have the advertising bump.
 
2022-06-26 12:15:51 AM  
The really cynical part of me just thinks it's a ploy to further hold employees at rans-

Bootleg: cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.

It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.


Ah so it isn't just me
 
2022-06-26 12:18:07 AM  
Most corporations donate money to candidates on both sides. It gives them leverage with whichever party wins without having to worry about accusations of partisanship later.

It's kind of stupid to point and gasp unless a company unilaterally gave a lot of money to ONE candidate preferentially over a long period of time.

And how far back do you go? The Senators who voted to confirm Thomas and Alito may not be the same ones who voted to confirm Kegbro and Serena Joy.
 
2022-06-26 12:18:56 AM  
For the 10000th time it's almost like tying health care to employment was a stupid farking idea for anyone that didn't stand to make billions from it.
 
2022-06-26 12:23:03 AM  
Companies don't donate to politicians.

CEOs donate to politicians.

Our betters have judged that a rando with a business title in a business suit who makes 100s of times more per minute than anyone who actually makes their money for them has the right to amplify the free-speeching of whatever incomprehensibly-informed opinion pops into their privileged brain-pan by several orders of magnitude than the rest of us.

Meanwhile, unions hurt our betters' feelings so they can suck it.
 
2022-06-26 12:24:36 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: The really cynical part of me just thinks it's a ploy to further hold employees at rans-

Bootleg: cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.

It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.

Ah so it isn't just me


I am curious as to how that's going to work--insurance companies are state-based. Now, usually, they've got arrangements with other state insurers to get reduced rates. If my home state outlaws abortion, and I go to another state to get one, is that going to get the in-network rate?
 
2022-06-26 12:28:59 AM  
Going to have to start buying everything from Patagonia.
 
2022-06-26 12:29:21 AM  
Because all businesses are a hive mind single issue donation machine?

Sorry Dan you missed this one.
 
2022-06-26 12:33:03 AM  
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He summed it up a long time ago
 
2022-06-26 12:34:16 AM  

recondite cetacean: Because all businesses are a hive mind single issue donation machine?

Sorry Dan you missed this one.


Businesses are controlled by outrageously over-compensated and over-privileged individuals, who are the ones doing the bribing.
 
2022-06-26 12:39:47 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Companies don't donate to politicians.

CEOs donate to politicians.


*Tweet* Time out here.

Companies most certainly donate to politicians indirectly, through PACs.

Here's your top PACs for the 2019-2022 cycle.

PAC Name - Amount Raised - % to Dems - % to Reps

National Assn of Realtors$3,960,99852.14%47.79%
National Beer Wholesalers Assn$3,147,50052.80%47.20%
Credit Union National Assn$2,849,80053.22%46.69%
AT&T Inc$2,742,00046.19%53.74%
American Crystal Sugar$2,702,50054.76%45.24%
Comcast Corp$2,664,50045.88%54.12%
American Bankers Assn$2,661,20031.49%68.51%
Operating Engineers Union$2,599,70081.98%18.00%

The funny part, for all the biatching and moaning about "big business", is that most on this list are giving more money to Democrats than they are to Republicans.

Besides...Shouldn't Dan Rather be creating some more fake faxes in MS Word, anyways?
 
2022-06-26 12:45:11 AM  
Yup.
 
2022-06-26 12:47:35 AM  

Shaggy_C: *Tweet* Time out here.


Nope.
 
2022-06-26 12:47:59 AM  
Since Dan is on Twitter, the answer is over in Judd Legum's tweets. He should go follow him.
 
2022-06-26 12:49:11 AM  

Shaggy_C: BuckTurgidson: Companies don't donate to politicians.

CEOs donate to politicians.


*Tweet* Time out here.

Companies most certainly donate to politicians


So - they got the entire "company" together like at a team-building retreat and every single human at that company kicked in their fair share of the bribe?
 
2022-06-26 1:01:28 AM  

BuckTurgidson: So - they got the entire "company" together like at a team-building retreat and every single human at that company kicked in their fair share of the bribe?


The way I've seen it run is that the company sets up their own PAC and 'encourages' c-suite employees to donate. You wouldn't want to be one of those poor team players who doesn't get involved, now would you? That might be a ...ahem... career-limiting decision, there Buck. Come on, be a pal.

Typically its expected that the top executives all chip in a couple hundred thousand. It's a drop in the bucket compared to lobbying, of course.
 
2022-06-26 1:07:29 AM  

Shaggy_C: The way I've seen it run


So you're a C-level salty vet but you post trolly dim contrarian crap on a fifth-rate news aggregator flamewar site, mate.

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2022-06-26 1:13:50 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Shaggy_C: The way I've seen it run

So you're a C-level salty vet but you post trolly dim contrarian crap on a fifth-rate news aggregator flamewar site, mate.

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Bravo, sir.

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2022-06-26 1:17:43 AM  

mjjt: Bit hard to blame companies for cynical contributions to GOP.

Citizens United decision opened the floodgates for corp 'investment' in politicians. GOP (and probably most/all pols) have explicitly tied legislation to campaign contributions.

if you don't pay, you don't play

Need to attack the foundation of the system rather than complain about the effects


We can do both.
 
2022-06-26 1:19:30 AM  
You take your thirty pieces of silver where you can get them, right?

/wrong
 
2022-06-26 1:25:49 AM  

mjjt: Bit hard to blame companies for cynical contributions to GOP.

Citizens United decision opened the floodgates for corp 'investment' in politicians. GOP (and probably most/all pols) have explicitly tied legislation to campaign contributions.

if you don't pay, you don't play

Need to attack the foundation of the system rather than complain about the effects


Yup. Like someone bringing suit to foreign contributions to a PAC.
 
2022-06-26 1:28:50 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Shaggy_C: The way I've seen it run

So you're a C-level salty vet but you post trolly dim contrarian crap on a fifth-rate news aggregator flamewar site, mate.

[c.tenor.com image 400x312]


I never said I was in the c-suite, though I did contribute to a company pac years ago as a foolish young analyst thinking that doing so would help my career path.

This is just an anecdote to help support the point earlier that corporations do donate to candidates. Given that I showed you the top corporate megapacs, the "how" is largely irrelevant.
 
2022-06-26 1:39:58 AM  

Shaggy_C: BuckTurgidson: Shaggy_C: The way I've seen it run

So you're a C-level salty vet but you post trolly dim contrarian crap on a fifth-rate news aggregator flamewar site, mate.

[c.tenor.com image 400x312]

I never said I was in the c-suite, though I did contribute to a company pac years ago as a foolish young analyst thinking that doing so would help my career path.

This is just an anecdote to help support the point earlier that corporations do donate to candidates. Given that I showed you the top corporate megapacs, the "how" is largely irrelevant.


Is it important to you that your career path ?
 
2022-06-26 1:52:31 AM  
 
2022-06-26 1:53:03 AM  

Rindred: Since Dan is on Twitter, the answer is over in Judd Legum's tweets. He should go follow him.


Yup.

https://popular.info/p/these-13-corporations-have-spent
 
2022-06-26 2:02:18 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You take your thirty pieces of silver where you can get them, right?

/wrong


As long as they meet the same fate (depending on which version) as Judas.
 
2022-06-26 2:14:59 AM  
a lot of companies help both sides of the ticket for the opportunity to just get access after the election
 
2022-06-26 2:42:59 AM  

recondite cetacean: Because all businesses are a hive mind single issue donation machine?

Sorry Dan you missed this one.


He isn't talking about all companies. The first two words of TFH should have been your first clue.
 
2022-06-26 3:33:46 AM  
Citizens United needs to be dealt with.
Corpos pouring money into maintaining oligarchs and stopping rules that benefit no one but shareholders...
 
2022-06-26 3:52:06 AM  

mjjt: Bit hard to blame companies for cynical contributions to GOP.

Citizens United decision opened the floodgates for corp 'investment' in politicians. GOP (and probably most/all pols) have explicitly tied legislation to campaign contributions.

if you don't pay, you don't play

Need to attack the foundation of the system rather than complain about the effects


By "attacking the foundation" why not a revolt from the foundation? I mean, these companies are extending this benefit because a large portion of their workforce has been effected by this decision. That workforce is their foundation. I say these workers need to be vocal within the ranks to let those executives know they're angry with their companies support of a party that strips them of rights.
 
2022-06-26 4:12:11 AM  

Shaggy_C: BuckTurgidson: Shaggy_C: The way I've seen it run

So you're a C-level salty vet but you post trolly dim contrarian crap on a fifth-rate news aggregator flamewar site, mate.

[c.tenor.com image 400x312]

I never said I was in the c-suite, though I did contribute to a company pac years ago as a foolish young analyst thinking that doing so would help my career path.

This is just an anecdote to help support the point earlier that corporations do donate to candidates. Given that I showed you the top corporate megapacs, the "how" is largely irrelevant.


Looks like someone touched a nerve.
 
2022-06-26 4:18:02 AM  
Corporations, rich people---they look at the bottom line. Social issues are tangential except insofar as they might help gain employees, help corporate images etc.  but none of that outweighs the almighty tax right off.
 
2022-06-26 4:47:07 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: The really cynical part of me just thinks it's a ploy to further hold employees at rans-

Bootleg: cretinbob: It's easier and cheaper to pay for the travel than to admit they were wrong.

That's what's farked up in America.

It's another hook to hang onto talent. "You could quit, but would the new place help you get this procedure done?"

/Part of why they're also against government-funded medicine.

Ah so it isn't just me


Also, this will go in your HR file to be used against you later. Just like using the Employee Assistance Program .
 
2022-06-26 5:30:54 AM  
Ernst Rohm also brought corporations and the business community to the Nazi party. Then he was executed and many of those businesses were seized by the Nazis.

Nazisim is bad for business.
 
2022-06-26 9:00:56 AM  
Jesus Christ Dan, don't make this any worse than it is by adding some fruit loop conspiracy theory about corporate America.

It is only about hateful white (or wish they were white) Republicans pandering to Christian religious extremists.

To say otherwise simply dilutes the argument.  Stop it.
 
2022-06-26 10:45:53 AM  
Money does talk. Responsible companies should now treat forced-birth states like the civilized world treats Russia, and pull out of them (uhh phrasing?) completely. Texas wants to force women to give birth and also recriminalize homosexuality? Well let's see how they like it without any Starbucks or Costco (just making up examples). Fark these fundie nuts from another century - it's time to play hardball.
 
2022-06-26 11:15:50 AM  
In my experience companies hate having to deal with pregnant women/maternity leave.  They'd much rather pay for an abortion as part of their bottom line.
 
2022-06-26 11:43:11 AM  

I'm an excellent driver: Jesus Christ Dan, don't make this any worse than it is by adding some fruit loop conspiracy theory about corporate America.

It is only about hateful white (or wish they were white) Republicans pandering to Christian religious extremists.

To say otherwise simply dilutes the argument.  Stop it.


I'm confused. Which is the conspiracy part? The part where corporate types overwhelming support Republican candidates, or the part where they are hypocritically offering to support their workers' health care in spite of the big bad Supreme Court?

He doesn't seem to be saying that the corporate leaders are suddenly anti- or pro- abortion. Just that they are hypocrites.

/Which, psychopathy being a "good" business trait, duh.
 
2022-06-26 11:53:23 AM  
I remember way back when it wasn't your employers business if you were making a private decision to have an abortion. Now you have to schedule your abortion into WorkDay and have your supervisor approve the time off.
 
2022-06-26 1:53:08 PM  

A Room Full of Angry Raccoons: fragMasterFlash: You take your thirty pieces of silver where you can get them, right?

/wrong

As long as they meet the same fate (depending on which version) as Judas.


Le National Razor will shorten Soros; just as nicely as Koch!
 
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