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2022-06-25 5:55:01 PM  
Well, they anticipate being on top when it comes to electric charging stations, so it's not shocking.
 
2022-06-25 5:55:36 PM  
We passed peak oil a long time ago.
 
2022-06-25 6:03:23 PM  
In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.
 
2022-06-25 6:12:02 PM  
Well, ExxonMobil, maybe it's time for you to get into the windmill business. Just watch the cancer.
 
2022-06-25 6:17:53 PM  

NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.


How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?
 
2022-06-25 6:22:47 PM  
Each car Exxon envisions will probably come equipped with its own gasoline-powered electric generator...
 
2022-06-25 6:43:26 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?


I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.
 
2022-06-25 6:44:29 PM  

SpecialSnowFlake: Each car Exxon envisions will probably come equipped with its own gasoline-powered electric generator...


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2022-06-25 6:45:05 PM  

NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.


Probably said the same thing regarding cellular telephony. Then bam! There's higher rates of cellular telephony usage in Africa and South America than in the USofA.
 
2022-06-25 6:46:07 PM  

NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.


It didn't say 100% EV. It said 100% of all new cars sold will be EVs.
 
2022-06-25 6:47:48 PM  

dericwater: NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.

It didn't say 100% EV. It said 100% of all new cars sold will be EVs.


I know.  And I still say there will be markets that will lag and keep buying ICE vehicles for a while.
 
2022-06-25 6:54:53 PM  
Then he added: Yeah, because oil is going to be $325 bucks a gallon, Bwah Ha ha HAHAHAHA.
 
2022-06-25 6:58:24 PM  
While the "every" claim is highly unlikely (how, exactly, is North Korea getting them?), it's likely that every developed country will be, possibly excluding the US depending on whether it still exists as a functional nation by then. From the perspective of an oil CEO, that means gas stations aren't going to be a significant part of their bottom line by then (they aren't doing business in NK, and likely doing very little in Central Africa)... so expect them to double down on paying politicians to not convert to a green grid.
 
2022-06-25 7:05:32 PM  
All new cars. Plenty of legacy and heavier vehicles. But I'd get an electric truck around 2025 after we see them go through shakedown. If I'm going to spend $100k on a vehicle I want a decade out of it.
 
2022-06-25 7:31:09 PM  
Exxon Mobile? Is that a farking cellular provider, submitter?
 
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2022-06-25 7:31:24 PM  
He's right and it'll be an economic reason not any 'green' one. anyone who can't see the market movements is a fool.
 
2022-06-25 7:44:27 PM  
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2022-06-25 8:05:18 PM  

NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.


Pendant alert:

Not of whole lot of Dutch folks here, but quite a lot that trace their roots to Germany (Deutschland)...Deutsch....Dutch...


Also, they speak a German offshoot (in addition to English)
 
2022-06-25 8:10:24 PM  

assjuice: Exxon Mobile? Is that a farking cellular provider, submitter?


Funny thing... In large swaths of Asia and Africa they don't have the infrastructure investment of gas stations every third corner except in cities. Out in the boondocks they have entrepreneurs who buy a tanker full of gas, truck it out to the country, and sell it in random jugs to people with motorbikes and tractors. It's literally a Bring Your Own Bottle thing.

The same places where they set up tend to have electricity, at least intermittently.

If history is any guide, these are the places where cheap electrics are going to zoom past the US for the same reason they're further ahead in telecom. They started from nothing, and when they did start, they started with 21st century tech.
 
2022-06-25 8:15:56 PM  
And they'll all have to be powered by how America traditionally gets it electricity.  Via a kite on a string.  As our founding fathers intended.
 
2022-06-25 8:19:24 PM  
I'd also add that some parts of the world are a lot more savvy about using car batteries and such to save power when the state-run utilities fail to provide.

I will say this, even in places where the utilities fail to provide 24 / 7, they at least are consistent about it. People know when to pump water up to the tank on the roof and charge batteries.
 
2022-06-25 8:24:50 PM  
People seem really interested in whether he is "right" or not. Why?

I think people should look at why such a person would make such a statement.

a) Is he doing it just to say something that is correct, you know, to show how smart he is?
b) Is he doing it to mollify critics without making any policy, taking an action, or making any concession?
c) Is he doing it to distract from the huge profits his company is making, while encouraging investors who have divested in the past to "take a new look at Exxon stock for their portfolio"?
d) All of the above?

This is a costless way to say something nice for people he KNOWS will not consider things too deeply. It is what they want to hear.
 
2022-06-25 8:29:53 PM  

sinner4ever: We passed peak oil a long time ago.


I like how comments like these get petulant 'funny' votes from gas heads. The oil market is ridiculous. We've long since exhausted the easily extractable stuff, and we've reached a point where most producers can't make any money unless the price is above $120 a barrel. Then you've got asshole producers like Suncor that cheaply extract filthy sand oil from giant pits that spew tons of methane and CO2 into the atmosphere 24/7/365.

For an ostensibly liberal site, there sure are a lot of assholes desperately clinging to fossil-fuels.
 
2022-06-25 8:37:57 PM  
If you think the whole world is North America and Europe, go back to sleep.

You won't see a lot of press on all of the new brands of vehicles popping up in Asia, Africa, and South America, but they are going great guns, and they aren't producing battery vehicles. In fact, they aren't producing hybrids much either. The former require sophisticated materials and processes. The latter require computers and complicated apparatus. No. They are making gasoline vehicles, and cranking them out by the millions. The vehicles fit their current infrastructure.

Iran is a case in point. They were making a lot of natural gas vehicles, but switched from those for safety reasons. Sanctions ended their joint ventures with western companies, so now they are getting help from Cherry, a Chinese company, and they are selling vehicles for a third to a half the price of foreign vehicles. They can cut some emission and safety features and crank the vehicles out.

The greatest population growth, the greatest increase in disposable income, the greatest rise in manufacturing, and so many other factors will come together to make emerging markets the big drivers of new vehicle sales.

Will Exxon be involved? Not really. All of the Western oil companies are giving up and not even exploring. All of the gravy will go to the national oil companies around the world. They will extract and refine the oil, and NO, you won't be able to go to their shareholder meetings. They will do what they want.

So all new vehicle sales in the world in 2040 will be electric vehicles? Not even close. In fact, if EVs are produced reliably, cheaply and safely, and if they last for 20 years? Then their share of new sales worldwide will be about what it is today. Do the math. People in rich countries will be buying replacement vehicles, and people in poor countries will be buying 10--20 times as many gasoline vehicles as today.
 
2022-06-25 8:39:55 PM  

dericwater: NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.

It didn't say 100% EV. It said 100% of all new cars sold will be EVs.


I think the cut over will be very quick.  Sorta like how Blackberry was on top of the cell phone world and people swore they'd never give up that physical keyboard and then in the span of a few years they were gone.

China is selling EVs for less than $5,000.  I think those will be what end up in the poorer 3rd world countries.  Especially, the smaller ones where people don't have 120 mile commutes to work. People don't understand that the majority of countries are much smaller tan than the US.


I think there will always be religious hold outs.  I'm sure a few cults around internal combustion engines will sprout up.
 
2022-06-25 8:45:14 PM  

maxheck: assjuice: Exxon Mobile? Is that a farking cellular provider, submitter?

Funny thing... In large swaths of Asia and Africa they don't have the infrastructure investment of gas stations every third corner except in cities. Out in the boondocks they have entrepreneurs who buy a tanker full of gas, truck it out to the country, and sell it in random jugs to people with motorbikes and tractors. It's literally a Bring Your Own Bottle thing.

The same places where they set up tend to have electricity, at least intermittently.

If history is any guide, these are the places where cheap electrics are going to zoom past the US for the same reason they're further ahead in telecom. They started from nothing, and when they did start, they started with 21st century tech.


Go type in DANGEROUS ROADS in YouTube and enjoy the rabbit hole.

Or maybe have a look at Jeremy Clarkson's series where people do a little bit of globetrotting in cars.

Infrastructure is not gas stations. I hardly think a Tesla is going to make it 3 miles out of any city in Borneo, 50 miles out in China, or 60 miles out in Russia.

It won't be fixed in 18 years. Batteries won't be viable in rapidly developing countries. And about twenty more etceteras.

I get that people want to rush and agree with an Exxon CEO just to give their brain some of that sweet sweet confirmation bias, but let's just remember that this is the guy everyone has called a liar and a cheat for the last three months. What changed all of a sudden?

I think some "critics" have been "mollified".  He is playing everyone for suckers.
 
2022-06-25 8:45:33 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: dericwater: NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.

It didn't say 100% EV. It said 100% of all new cars sold will be EVs.

I think the cut over will be very quick.  Sorta like how Blackberry was on top of the cell phone world and people swore they'd never give up that physical keyboard and then in the span of a few years they were gone.

China is selling EVs for less than $5,000.  I think those will be what end up in the poorer 3rd world countries.  Especially, the smaller ones where people don't have 120 mile commutes to work. People don't understand that the majority of countries are much smaller tan than the US.


I think there will always be religious hold outs.  I'm sure a few cults around internal combustion engines will sprout up.


Well, there are people still on the PalmOS platform.
 
2022-06-25 8:46:06 PM  

2fardownthread: If you think the whole world is North America and Europe, go back to sleep.

You won't see a lot of press on all of the new brands of vehicles popping up in Asia, Africa, and South America, but they are going great guns, and they aren't producing battery vehicles. In fact, they aren't producing hybrids much either. The former require sophisticated materials and processes. The latter require computers and complicated apparatus. No. They are making gasoline vehicles, and cranking them out by the millions. The vehicles fit their current infrastructure.

Iran is a case in point. They were making a lot of natural gas vehicles, but switched from those for safety reasons. Sanctions ended their joint ventures with western companies, so now they are getting help from Cherry, a Chinese company, and they are selling vehicles for a third to a half the price of foreign vehicles. They can cut some emission and safety features and crank the vehicles out.

The greatest population growth, the greatest increase in disposable income, the greatest rise in manufacturing, and so many other factors will come together to make emerging markets the big drivers of new vehicle sales.

Will Exxon be involved? Not really. All of the Western oil companies are giving up and not even exploring. All of the gravy will go to the national oil companies around the world. They will extract and refine the oil, and NO, you won't be able to go to their shareholder meetings. They will do what they want.

So all new vehicle sales in the world in 2040 will be electric vehicles? Not even close. In fact, if EVs are produced reliably, cheaply and safely, and if they last for 20 years? Then their share of new sales worldwide will be about what it is today. Do the math. People in rich countries will be buying replacement vehicles, and people in poor countries will be buying 10--20 times as many gasoline vehicles as today.


The Chinese are pumping out huge numbers of affordable electric vehicles. They're not "Chinese carts" as you so totally-not-racistly call them. They're good vehicles with acceptable range and have prices from $4,000USD all the way up to crazy luxury prices. Scooters will be the biggest deal as they have easily swappable batteries. The swapping stations keep themselves running during power outages, and some are outfitted with solar panels. They're going to be a big deal in Africa and SEA.
 
2022-06-25 8:47:44 PM  

2fardownthread: maxheck: assjuice: Exxon Mobile? Is that a farking cellular provider, submitter?

Funny thing... In large swaths of Asia and Africa they don't have the infrastructure investment of gas stations every third corner except in cities. Out in the boondocks they have entrepreneurs who buy a tanker full of gas, truck it out to the country, and sell it in random jugs to people with motorbikes and tractors. It's literally a Bring Your Own Bottle thing.

The same places where they set up tend to have electricity, at least intermittently.

If history is any guide, these are the places where cheap electrics are going to zoom past the US for the same reason they're further ahead in telecom. They started from nothing, and when they did start, they started with 21st century tech.

Go type in DANGEROUS ROADS in YouTube and enjoy the rabbit hole.

Or maybe have a look at Jeremy Clarkson's series where people do a little bit of globetrotting in cars.

Infrastructure is not gas stations. I hardly think a Tesla is going to make it 3 miles out of any city in Borneo, 50 miles out in China, or 60 miles out in Russia.

It won't be fixed in 18 years. Batteries won't be viable in rapidly developing countries. And about twenty more etceteras.

I get that people want to rush and agree with an Exxon CEO just to give their brain some of that sweet sweet confirmation bias, but let's just remember that this is the guy everyone has called a liar and a cheat for the last three months. What changed all of a sudden?

I think some "critics" have been "mollified".  He is playing everyone for suckers.


Back 120 years ago, there were zero gasoline infrastructure. In 10 years, the ICE automobile completely usurped the horse-drawn carriage mode of travel.
 
2022-06-25 8:50:11 PM  

2fardownthread: If you think the whole world is North America and Europe, go back to sleep.

You won't see a lot of press on all of the new brands of vehicles popping up in Asia, Africa, and South America, but they are going great guns, and they aren't producing battery vehicles. In fact, they aren't producing hybrids much either. The former require sophisticated materials and processes. The latter require computers and complicated apparatus. No. They are making gasoline vehicles, and cranking them out by the millions. The vehicles fit their current infrastructure.

Iran is a case in point. They were making a lot of natural gas vehicles, but switched from those for safety reasons. Sanctions ended their joint ventures with western companies, so now they are getting help from Cherry, a Chinese company, and they are selling vehicles for a third to a half the price of foreign vehicles. They can cut some emission and safety features and crank the vehicles out.

The greatest population growth, the greatest increase in disposable income, the greatest rise in manufacturing, and so many other factors will come together to make emerging markets the big drivers of new vehicle sales.

Will Exxon be involved? Not really. All of the Western oil companies are giving up and not even exploring. All of the gravy will go to the national oil companies around the world. They will extract and refine the oil, and NO, you won't be able to go to their shareholder meetings. They will do what they want.

So all new vehicle sales in the world in 2040 will be electric vehicles? Not even close. In fact, if EVs are produced reliably, cheaply and safely, and if they last for 20 years? Then their share of new sales worldwide will be about what it is today. Do the math. People in rich countries will be buying replacement vehicles, and people in poor countries will be buying 10--20 times as many gasoline vehicles as today.


I also like how your vision of the future has developing countries coming to a level where everyone is about to buy cars (10 or 20 times as many!) but they don't have safe roads or electrical infrastructure. You're such a Boomer shiatbag it's hilarious.
 
2022-06-25 8:51:45 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: I think the cut over will be very quick.  Sorta like how Blackberry was on top of the cell phone world and people swore they'd never give up that physical keyboard and then in the span of a few years they were gone.


I think that was more a shift in killer apps. Blackberry served business adopters, then a good all glass smartphone became available for the masses and the sudden rise of social media apps. I had an HTC Diamond 2, with a slide out keyboard and an almost useless screen that required a stylus, then it was iPhone 4 able to do what I needed.
 
2022-06-25 8:54:26 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: dericwater: NeoCortex42: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: NeoCortex42: In less than 20 years?  Worldwide?  Not a chance. Europe? Sure thing. US? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Central/South American markets or any non-wealthy countries? Nope.

How long did it take to switch over from horses to automobiles?

I'll let you know next time I visit Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Seriously, though.  I think a majorityof cars will be electric by then.  Maybe even a majority of countries may be purely electric.  But there's no way we'll be 100% electric worldwide for passenger cars that quick.  If the GOP gets Congressional control for long (or heaven forbid, the White House), the money just won't be put into the infrastructure necessary to do it in the US that quick.

It didn't say 100% EV. It said 100% of all new cars sold will be EVs.

I think the cut over will be very quick.  Sorta like how Blackberry was on top of the cell phone world and people swore they'd never give up that physical keyboard and then in the span of a few years they were gone.

China is selling EVs for less than $5,000.  I think those will be what end up in the poorer 3rd world countries.  Especially, the smaller ones where people don't have 120 mile commutes to work. People don't understand that the majority of countries are much smaller tan than the US.


And there is where we agree. China IS going to eat the West's lunch because the West has a Tesla based luxury model where they are catering to conspicuous consumers.

Looking at today's news, I see a sanctioned Russia, a sanctioned Iran, a petulant Russia, and various squeezes that have pushed oil prices way up. In three years? Oil prices might fall like a stone as Western demand falls and the rest of the world wants rapid modernization. About half the world, and probably much more, has materials and knowledge and help to make ICE vehicles. Battery vehicles? Supply constraints, tech constraints, infrastructure constraints.

The statement was 100% of new sales worldwide by 2040. Misquoted in the article as 100% of sales. That is the statement, and it is absurd. The man is either stupid, or he is trying to manipulate people. Which is more likely?
 
2022-06-25 8:58:45 PM  

Likwit: cles. They're not "Chinese carts" as you so totally-not-racistly call them. They're good vehicles with acceptable range and have prices from


Show me where I ever said that. You are an ass for calling me a racist and claiming I said things I didn't. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Chinese people or their vehicles.

And I am on record many times as saying that the big battery Tesla model of vehicles, which is your preferred electric fetish, has been a mistake from the beginning.

You are just trying to get things stirred up.

If you have something great to say about Elon Musk and the CEO of Exxon, just come out and say it. Those are your heroes, apparently.
 
2022-06-25 9:00:53 PM  

2fardownthread: Likwit: cles. They're not "Chinese carts" as you so totally-not-racistly call them. They're good vehicles with acceptable range and have prices from

Show me where I ever said that. You are an ass for calling me a racist and claiming I said things I didn't. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Chinese people or their vehicles.

And I am on record many times as saying that the big battery Tesla model of vehicles, which is your preferred electric fetish, has been a mistake from the beginning.

You are just trying to get things stirred up.

If you have something great to say about Elon Musk and the CEO of Exxon, just come out and say it. Those are your heroes, apparently.


You definitely said they were Chinese carts and claimed they'd kill the occupants. I bet I can find it.
 
2022-06-25 9:06:20 PM  
The oil companies do all sorts of BS advertising to make it sound like they are on the good side. This is just more of that.
 
2022-06-25 9:08:01 PM  

Likwit: also like how your vision of the future has developing countries coming to a level where everyone is about to buy cars (10 or 20 times as many!) but they don't have safe roads or electrical infrastructure. You're such a Boomer shiatbag it's hilarious.


Your retort makes no sense. I have no "vision" of the future. Feel free to differ. I think about what is likely to happen. And I am usually right. On the big things. If you buy your Tesla stock, and it goes down, don't be bitter, just try to do better. Don't just go with an Exxon CEO's statement. Think about it before you go buying Exxon stock, is what I am saying.

You did not do the math.

The statement was "100% of new car sales in 2040 will be EVs." Defend that.

IF, and you have said many times, IF EVs last for 20 years, and IF they are safe and reliable, then they might get 100% or all sales in North America and Europe. You can legislate that with lobbying by Mr. Musk, right? That is doable.

The rest of the world? Nope. They will have ICE vehicles that they can use and produce cheaply. But they will have to be replaced, more often, as you yourself have claimed many times. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?

Oh and please please do not believe me about roads in India, Nigeria, Bolivia, Peru or a hundred other countries around the world. There are numerous documentaries on the problem, and I have driven the roads and travelled over them. You need to get out a little more if you think someone is going to charge their Tesla and go for a trip in Ecquador or Sierra Leone.

The Exxon CEO's statement has twisted your brain. You don't need to jump all over me. You are not normal like this.
 
2022-06-25 9:09:32 PM  

Likwit: 2fardownthread: Likwit: cles. They're not "Chinese carts" as you so totally-not-racistly call them. They're good vehicles with acceptable range and have prices from

Show me where I ever said that. You are an ass for calling me a racist and claiming I said things I didn't. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Chinese people or their vehicles.

And I am on record many times as saying that the big battery Tesla model of vehicles, which is your preferred electric fetish, has been a mistake from the beginning.

You are just trying to get things stirred up.

If you have something great to say about Elon Musk and the CEO of Exxon, just come out and say it. Those are your heroes, apparently.

You definitely said they were Chinese carts and claimed they'd kill the occupants. I bet I can find it.


Go ahead. I would never say anything like that, so I don't think you can find it. But if you want to waste your beautiful Sunday afternoon, you deserve it.
 
2022-06-25 9:15:00 PM  

Befuddled: The oil companies do all sorts of BS advertising to make it sound like they are on the good side. This is just more of that.


yes. It is the obvious conclusion. And it does not fit your screen name. Neither you nor I have been befuddled by this trick.

To me, the only reason the statement makes sense is that the people he wants to believe that are the people who are going to believe it.

The evidence is in this thread. This "other poster" and I have come to agree on a lot of things, but you can see that simply disagreeing with the CEO of Exxon, his mortal enemy most threads, has him calling me a racist and whatever else.
 
2022-06-25 9:24:08 PM  

2fardownthread: Befuddled: The oil companies do all sorts of BS advertising to make it sound like they are on the good side. This is just more of that.

yes. It is the obvious conclusion. And it does not fit your screen name. Neither you nor I have been befuddled by this trick.

To me, the only reason the statement makes sense is that the people he wants to believe that are the people who are going to believe it.

The evidence is in this thread. This "other poster" and I have come to agree on a lot of things, but you can see that simply disagreeing with the CEO of Exxon, his mortal enemy most threads, has him calling me a racist and whatever else.


I'm not calling you a racist because you disagree with Darren Woods. He's probably wrong. You're a racist because you still push the lie that Chinese cars are all cheaply made death traps and you constantly infantilize and fetishize the Japanese.

Hey, you're just bumbling old man racist, not full on klan racist. You can come back from it if you're willing to look inward. Which probably means you can't come back from it.
 
2022-06-25 9:31:54 PM  

2fardownthread: Your retort makes no sense. I have no "vision" of the future. Feel free to differ. I think about what is likely to happen.


So you think it's likely that developing countries will spin their economies up to a level where everyone buy cars and lots of new manufacturers emerge, but they'll just neglect their roads and infrastructure?

I don't believe your "thinking" process involves any actual thought.
 
2022-06-25 9:33:51 PM  
Fark does not need a manifesto from me, but I have never been about racism. I abhor racism. I found a  statement, purportedly by John Meyer? is that his name? That he does not date outside of his race... to be repugnant. If I were racist, I would have to disown my children and hate myself.

Anyway, ....

A guy on Jalopnik imported a very cheap electric vehicle and loved it to death. As everyone knows, there are problems with vehicles being street legal in the US. It is obvious, and it is costly, that US regulators require all kinds of safety features that this Chinese vehicle did not have. I drive a vehicle that is not considered safe for American roads.

This will become more and more of an issue in the future. Safety and emissions regulations have become de facto trade barriers in many countries.

But not in other countries. Other countries just want transportation. Now you could say that those countries are going to drool and clamor for battery cars, but are they really? Every TUK TUK driver in Malaysias 20th largest city is going to switch out to electric because why again? Bangkok went from two -stroke Tuk Tuk engines to four-stroke and BOY did it almost topple the government.

From an "installed base" perspective, from a "likely change" perspective, from an "existing infrastructure" perspective, I see a lot of inertia to overcome for battery vehicles in most countries of the world.

Or, you know, Elon Musk could buy electric Tuk Tuks for every major city of the 50 poorest countries of the world tomorrow. Sure. Why not? This is also a way of thinking about the future. It could happen. And Exxon could do the same for the next 50 poorest countries! There we go! Problem solved.

I don't think like that anymore. Optimistic people are being manipulated by energy politicians and oligarchs. It is sad to see.
 
2022-06-25 9:39:08 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: I'm sure a few cults around internal combustion engines will sprout up.



The Litany of Ignition:

The soul of the Machine God surrounds thee.
The power of the Machine God invests thee.
The hate of the Machine God drives thee.
The Machine God endows thee with life.
Live!


Praise the Omnissiah!
 
2022-06-25 9:43:40 PM  

Likwit: So you think it's likely that developing countries will spin their economies up to a level where everyone buy cars and lots of new manufacturers emerge, but they'll just neglect their roads and infrastructure?


How about I reply to what is worth replying to? Let's do that.

The answer is "sure." Isn't this what the US does?

China, as part of its belt and road initiative, is trying to improve roadways through many areas. It is having huge problems JUST getting roads necessary for commerce and extraction operations. The local governments in many cases don't bother with residential or rural areas that are not directly involved.

One can look at Thailand and Malaysia, and find that, about 30 to 40 years after development got going, and after a wave of manufacturing and logistics centers have been set up, the level of road and electrical infrastructure drops off fast once you are out of cities. The roads become very chunkita bunkita as you go north and west.

What about older systems? The Philippines and Russia have bad rural electrification and roads despite economic growth and progress and development of a century. Are they going to be 100% electric by 2040?

That is what you are saying, remember.

I am spending a lot of time explaining things to you.

But the statement you have to defend is that

"100% of new car sales worldwide will be electric by 2040."

You have to go to bat for the CEO of Exxon. This is what your readers want to see.
 
2022-06-25 9:50:15 PM  

sinner4ever: We passed peak oil a long time ago.


Yes. People seem to think that Peak Oil refers to production, but that's wrong. Peak Oil happens when consumption outstrips discoveries. And that happened long ago.
 
2022-06-25 9:52:17 PM  

Likwit: You're a racist because you still push the lie that Chinese cars are all cheaply made death trap


This is sad because I have never said this. I have said Teslas are cheaply made death traps. Is that where you are mistaken?

No. The Chinese have their own standards. I have never seen any data on Chinese traffic deaths, and that is the truth, so I don't know why I would say something like that. If I had to guess, I would say you are making it up because you do that, often.

I don't have any comment to make on Chinese safety standards, and never have. It is possible that I said that one reason they will have difficulty getting into the US market is because of safety standards. I probably followed that up quickly by saying that Tesla does not appear to be meeting NHTSA standards, which just indicates that Tesla is missing out on a way to keep competition out of US markets.

I get that you want to say something about Japanese/Chinese conflict. You need to bark up another tree there. You are a pretty awful person for going there. Just saying. You ARE part of the problem sir. You are making the world your children will grow up in.
 
2022-06-25 9:55:54 PM  
They damn well better be.

In reality we need every new car to be electric already, but since we failed to fight the oil and car companies for a living planet, we aren't there yet. If we were smart we would aim for 2030.

2040 is a soft goal.
 
2022-06-25 9:56:03 PM  

2fardownthread: But the statement you have to defend is that

"100% of new car sales worldwide will be electric by 2040."


So for me to disagree with your assertion that developing countries will never get EVs, I have to agree with the complete opposite extreme opinion? Are you an idiot or do you just play one on Fark?
 
2022-06-25 10:04:41 PM  

yakmans_dad: sinner4ever: We passed peak oil a long time ago.

Yes. People seem to think that Peak Oil refers to production, but that's wrong. Peak Oil happens when consumption outstrips discoveries. And that happened long ago.


I think it is quite possible that the huge gulps of oil going to developed economies will moderate or decline. And that developing economies will be served to the medium term and beyond by state oil companies and oil producers that are content to sell what they have left as they wean themselves to other things.

This would fit historical patterns we have seen for wood, coal, etc.

If you look at the age of oars,sail, steam, then oil for nautical transport, you can see how the technologies passed through the world. And "past the peak" does not mean there will not be a long tail.

This EXXON CEO said 100% of new sales worldwide by 2040. That fits NO historical model ever. He did not make the statement to be correct. He wanted to massage people. Why not? It cost him nothing, and he has new friends posting to defend him on Fark.

Tesla fanbois are flocking to EXXON.

That is the real news story.
 
2022-06-25 10:07:25 PM  
Not until they start making electric cars for common people. they seem only make 60k and up , before markup.

As it now the rich will drive the electrics and the poor will still be tied to gas powered cars.
 
2022-06-25 10:11:17 PM  

2fardownthread: Tesla fanbois are flocking to EXXON.


What in the farkshiat are you talking about, you disingenuous boomer fark?
 
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