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2022-06-25 10:10:53 AM  
The insults from the 80s are new again!  Blonde jokes are still off-limits.
 
2022-06-25 10:12:20 AM  
My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.
 
2022-06-25 10:13:30 AM  
They haven't been first on race day in a long time.
 
2022-06-25 10:17:31 AM  

Another Government Employee: They haven't been first on race day in a long time.


farked on Race Day.
 
2022-06-25 10:37:03 AM  
Oh cool, the boomers are here with their weird ancient manufacturer prejudices.

Can I try?

"Boy, British cars suck, with their terrible and unreliable Lucas electricals! Which is relevant, here in the year 1963."
 
2022-06-25 10:37:17 AM  
Haven't bought domestic in decades, seems like this continues to be a good strategy.
 
2022-06-25 10:39:17 AM  

PadreScout: Oh cool, the boomers are here with their weird ancient manufacturer prejudices.

Can I try?

"Boy, British cars suck, with their terrible and unreliable Lucas electricals! Which is relevant, here in the year 1963."


Pretty much true through the 80s when the whole thing collapsed.
 
2022-06-25 10:41:48 AM  

Another Government Employee: through the 80s


That was 40 years ago.

 
2022-06-25 10:55:58 AM  
There were many reasons GM retired the Pontiac brand.
 
2022-06-25 11:18:50 AM  

DVD: The insults from the 80s are new again!  Blonde jokes are still off-limits.


speaking of the 80's, I and thousands of others were thoroughly screwed by Ford/Lincoln/Mercury cars like the Escort, EXP and Lynx. working man cars that went tits up early on in their lives leaving the owner with no transportation. so many engines went defective you could not get a spare from a junk yard.
 
2022-06-25 11:23:00 AM  
The only two Ford vehicles I've driven more than once were absolute pieces of shiat. One was a small pickup and the other an Escape. I'm sure they've made some better stuff but my experience has told me never to spend a penny on a Ford product.
 
2022-06-25 11:30:36 AM  

MikeyFuccon: There were many reasons GM retired the Pontiac brand.


I owned two Pontiacs in my life. A 1980 Sunbird that I had for over a decade and put around 180,000 miles on (including two cross-country FL to CA and then back trips). Had the "Iron Duke" 4-cyl engine and was a very reliable car. The other was a 2006 G6 that I really liked but was totaled when t-boned by a drunk idiot in an F-150.

I still think GM should have rebranded the G6 onto one of their other emblems. It was a good little car, peppy, reliable, not too expensive, overall pretty reliable.
 
2022-06-25 11:39:55 AM  
I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.
 
2022-06-25 11:51:07 AM  

Dick Gozinya: I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.


You consider Subaru and BMW the "reliable" foreign auto brands? Try a Honda or Toyota.
 
2022-06-25 12:07:14 PM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.


Ah yes, the DSP-6 Dual Clutch transmission.

I've made a bunch of money doing module programming for TCM or transmission replacement jobs on those.
 
2022-06-25 12:08:09 PM  

Dick Gozinya: I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.


On what planet has BMW ever been considered reliable? And even I've heard about Subaru's problems.
 
2022-06-25 12:11:26 PM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.


Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.
 
2022-06-25 12:14:50 PM  

MikeyFuccon: There were many reasons GM retired the Pontiac brand.


Rebadging was the main reason. Once GM combined engineering from the era when Chevy, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile had their own separate engines, the cars all became badge-swapped on the same platform. Pontiacs were nothing but GM cars that had some plastic cladding on the side to make them "Wide Trak" or some nonsense like that. The Grand Prix did handle well enough and I liked the 2-door coupé with the supercharged 3800 engine, but it didn't offer anything distinctive like Pontiac did when it used to be a separate brand.
 
2022-06-25 12:15:51 PM  

Russ1642: Dick Gozinya: I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.

On what planet has BMW ever been considered reliable? And even I've heard about Subaru's problems.


The fanboys I shuttled back and forth to the shop swore up and down how reliable and great their cars were. I never said they were, hence the "supposedly" part of my post.

Next time, try a little reading comprehension and dont waste your outrage on me.
 
2022-06-25 12:16:25 PM  

Winterlight: I still think GM should have rebranded the G6 onto one of their other emblems. It was a good little car, peppy, reliable, not too expensive, overall pretty reliable.


They did, it's called the Chevy Malibu.
 
2022-06-25 12:25:19 PM  
In my 45 years or so of car ownership I've only had one American car.  It had issues from day one.
 
2022-06-25 12:26:58 PM  

mrmopar5287: Winterlight: I still think GM should have rebranded the G6 onto one of their other emblems. It was a good little car, peppy, reliable, not too expensive, overall pretty reliable.

They did, it's called the Chevy Malibu.


I actually traded in my G6 and bought a Malibu, thinking that. Sadly, not the same car. Nothing wrong, per se, with the Malibu, but it didn't have the same look, feel, or "sense" of the G6.
 
2022-06-25 12:31:39 PM  

Winterlight: mrmopar5287: Winterlight: I still think GM should have rebranded the G6 onto one of their other emblems. It was a good little car, peppy, reliable, not too expensive, overall pretty reliable.

They did, it's called the Chevy Malibu.

I actually traded in my G6 and bought a Malibu, thinking that. Sadly, not the same car. Nothing wrong, per se, with the Malibu, but it didn't have the same look, feel, or "sense" of the G6.


The Malibu SS from the 06-07 model years is maybe closest. The LZ9 engine was the first overhead valve engine to have variable cam timing. The torque curve from that meant 90% available from 1,500-5,500 RPM and the 240 horsepower offered was no slouch.

That was the same engine in versions of the G6 from 06-09.
 
2022-06-25 12:32:02 PM  

Dick Gozinya: Russ1642: Dick Gozinya: I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.

On what planet has BMW ever been considered reliable? And even I've heard about Subaru's problems.

The fanboys I shuttled back and forth to the shop swore up and down how reliable and great their cars were. I never said they were, hence the "supposedly" part of my post.

Next time, try a little reading comprehension and dont waste your outrage on me.


NOBODY has claimed BMW is reliable, even their fanboys. They're practically the stereotype for high maintenance cost car.
 
2022-06-25 12:51:37 PM  

DVD: The insults from the 80s are new again!  Blonde jokes are still off-limits.


Speaking of car jokes, I like to joke with my Mopar-owning friends that it is never a good sign when an auto company gets its nickname from their spare parts division.

To add insult to injury they are owned by Fix It Again Tony now.
 
2022-06-25 12:53:51 PM  

Another Government Employee: PadreScout: Oh cool, the boomers are here with their weird ancient manufacturer prejudices.

Can I try?

"Boy, British cars suck, with their terrible and unreliable Lucas electricals! Which is relevant, here in the year 1963."

Pretty much true through the 80s when the whole thing collapsed.


Even today you probably don't want to buy a used Land Rover if you don't have the budget for repairs.
 
2022-06-25 12:56:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.


My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/
 
2022-06-25 1:22:13 PM  
I like Ford SUVs, but wouldn't touch the compacts... worked on an Escort (Renault) way back in the day and have shunned that class ever since.

Growing up, my family was solidly straight American brands, but our more recent ventures into Nissans and Toyotas have been just fine. Thankfully we're not required to put huge miles on vehicles these days. Even though I don't mind working on cars occasionally, the whole buying/selling business is a hassle I'd rather not deal with.

///"At Ford, Quality is Job 13", we used to joke about their 80's slogan
 
2022-06-25 1:38:36 PM  

mrmopar5287: Winterlight: I still think GM should have rebranded the G6 onto one of their other emblems. It was a good little car, peppy, reliable, not too expensive, overall pretty reliable.

They did, it's called the Chevy Malibu.


late 70's early 80's my mom bought a Malibu. butt ugly paint, boring dashboard. my buddy bought a pricey Monte Carlo. same damn ugly dashboard. i felt so bad for him.
 
2022-06-25 1:57:22 PM  

Mad_Radhu: mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.

My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/


Gasket supplier mixed that up. The assembly line at Ford won't let you scan the barcode on the wrong gasket and install it - there would be alarms for the wrong part. The gasket supplier put the wrong gaskets in the box where the barcode scanned to say they were the correct part.
 
2022-06-25 3:41:37 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.

My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/

Gasket supplier mixed that up. The assembly line at Ford won't let you scan the barcode on the wrong gasket and install it - there would be alarms for the wrong part. The gasket supplier put the wrong gaskets in the box where the barcode scanned to say they were the correct part.


Seen differently, Ford had a system in place that was unreliable and led to the installation of incorrect parts.
 
2022-06-25 4:03:39 PM  

PadreScout: Oh cool, the boomers are here with their weird ancient manufacturer prejudices.

Can I try?

"Boy, British cars suck, with their terrible and unreliable Lucas electricals! Which is relevant, here in the year 1963."

Someone's

parents didn't have a Cortina.
 
2022-06-25 4:19:57 PM  

Marksrevenge: Dick Gozinya: I've owned 3 brand new vehicles, all domestic: a 99 Ram, a 2003 Silverado, and a 2012 Fusion. I got at least 100k miles out of each of them (almost 200k on the Silverado) without any significant issues or problems. Worst thing I dealt with was a blown water pump and both rear axle seals on the Silverado (at different times).

Meanwhile, my co-workers in the Subaru and BMW fan clubs were constantly asking me to take them to/from the shop for their cars. One guy had a WRX that spent more time in the shop than on the road, and another guy had a brand new Forester that got 2 replacement engines under warranty because they both kept burning oil and Subaru couldnt figure out why.

Domestics have been just fine in my experience, whereas supposedly reliable foreign cars have been total crap. YMMV.

You consider Subaru and BMW the "reliable" foreign auto brands? Try a Honda or Toyota.


I have a '97 Explorer and a '02 LeSabre. Both have been relatively reliable.
My wife has a '15 CR-V, and since new, if it isn't driven every 5 days, the battery is dead. The dealer has been unhelpful in finding the problem.
 
2022-06-25 4:58:09 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.

My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/

Gasket supplier mixed that up. The assembly line at Ford won't let you scan the barcode on the wrong gasket and install it - there would be alarms for the wrong part. The gasket supplier put the wrong gaskets in the box where the barcode scanned to say they were the correct part.


Ah, that makes sense. I hadn't heard the follow up of what the root cause was of the issue.

It's kind of like the Chevy Bolts catching on fire because of LG screwing up the batteries and Chevy getting the blame.
 
2022-06-25 5:10:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: It's kind of like the Chevy Bolts catching on fire because of LG screwing up the batteries and Chevy getting the blame.


The battery supplier wrote a check to GM for something like $1.8 billion, covering most of the cost. The contract for supply of the batteries must have included that they eat the cost for any recall.
 
2022-06-25 5:59:30 PM  

Russ1642: mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.

My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/

Gasket supplier mixed that up. The assembly line at Ford won't let you scan the barcode on the wrong gasket and install it - there would be alarms for the wrong part. The gasket supplier put the wrong gaskets in the box where the barcode scanned to say they were the correct part.

Seen differently, Ford had a system in place that was unreliable and led to the installation of incorrect parts.


If your supplier sends yoy mismarked parts, it's always a shiatshow.
 
2022-06-25 6:03:09 PM  
When I worked for Bosch supplying parts to Chrysler/Fiat, we shipped parts to Mexico for the production of the F500 E. We changed it from Fix It Again Tony to Fix It Again Toluca.
 
2022-06-25 6:41:19 PM  
YMMV but Fords have always served me well. Had a '74 Maverick that refused to die no matter how hard I tried to kill the witheringly uncool orange & white 6-cyl beast - agricultural tech has its good points. Finally met its maker in the most Seventies crash imaginable when I ran a red light and got t-boned by a Gremlin.

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Unimpressed dad replaced the totalled Maverick with the cheapest car he could find: a base-model Ford Fiesta. Silver with an orange (to my chagrin) vinyl interior. Even more primitive than the Maverick but it never failed to start, never got a recall, never needed unexpected servicing. Maybe Ford just wasn't/isn't good at high tech?

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2022-06-25 8:16:34 PM  
i've owned toyota, honda, hyundai.  never had any major issues.  i've owned mercury, pontiac, ford, and chevy and they were all endless money pits
 
2022-06-25 8:37:42 PM  
In my family FORD stood for Farked Over Rebuilt Dodge.

/Dad was a Dodge man
 
2022-06-25 9:40:04 PM  

Russ1642: Seen differently, Ford had a system in place that was unreliable and led to the installation of incorrect parts.


It's possible. The discovery of the problem is a blown head gasket pulled from a Focus RS and it had the Mustang part number stamped on it, and there are subtle but important differences in the parts. The failure points to a box or boxes of gaskets for the Mustang getting shipped in packaging for the Focus RS, and on the assembly line the workers scanned the box and the computer said BOOP CORRECT PART when the parts in the box were not correct.
 
2022-06-25 9:41:24 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: It's kind of like the Chevy Bolts catching on fire because of LG screwing up the batteries and Chevy getting the blame.

The battery supplier wrote a check to GM for something like $1.8 billion, covering most of the cost. The contract for supply of the batteries must have included that they eat the cost for any recall.


It still killed the Bolt brand so badly that they are dropping over $6000 off of the price for the 2023 models at a time when other new EVs are being marked up thousands over MSRP.
 
2022-06-25 9:57:20 PM  

Mad_Radhu: It still killed the Bolt brand so badly that they are dropping over $6000 off of the price for the 2023 models at a time when other new EVs are being marked up thousands over MSRP.


That has more to do with the Bolt EV never being a competent or capable car for any long distance travel. Fast charging is capped at 50 kW and won't improve because the battery technology is now outdated since GM has moved on to their Ultium technology.

I'd love a Bolt. I would have bought one in 2018 if the price could have been what it is now (and my state starts giving $4,000 checks next month). I didn't qualify for the $7,500 tax credit because I don't pay $7,500 in taxes, so most of that would have been wasted.
 
2022-06-26 12:25:43 AM  

mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: It still killed the Bolt brand so badly that they are dropping over $6000 off of the price for the 2023 models at a time when other new EVs are being marked up thousands over MSRP.

That has more to do with the Bolt EV never being a competent or capable car for any long distance travel. Fast charging is capped at 50 kW and won't improve because the battery technology is now outdated since GM has moved on to their Ultium technology.

I'd love a Bolt. I would have bought one in 2018 if the price could have been what it is now (and my state starts giving $4,000 checks next month). I didn't qualify for the $7,500 tax credit because I don't pay $7,500 in taxes, so most of that would have been wasted.


The best time to buy them was spring of 2020. You could get a lot of 2017 models coming off lease for under the 20k. I even saw a few LT models going for around $15k.

Thanks to the recall all of those got brand new batteries this year. They even got upgraded to the bigger batteries of the newer models because the smaller battery packs aren't being made anymore.

I totally agree about the Bolt being a non-starter for road trips due to the slow fast charging, but it is puke be tempting as an around town car if I had charging at home. I work from home so much even Level 1 could probably cover my usage most weeks.
 
2022-06-26 6:36:21 AM  

DVD: The insults from the 80s are new again!  Blonde jokes are still off-limits.


Imagine a bleach-blonde with a body that could stop traffic, driving a Ford.
You can't, can you?  Know why?
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She's too smart to waste any time in a Ford!
 
2022-06-26 9:42:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The best time to buy them was spring of 2020. You could get a lot of 2017 models coming off lease for under the 20k. I even saw a few LT models going for around $15k.

Thanks to the recall all of those got brand new batteries this year. They even got upgraded to the bigger batteries of the newer models because the smaller battery packs aren't being made anymore.

I totally agree about the Bolt being a non-starter for road trips due to the slow fast charging, but it is puke be tempting as an around town car if I had charging at home. I work from home so much even Level 1 could probably cover my usage most weeks.


I tried to get my parents to trade in their two cars (my mom no longer drives) for one Bolt EV. I explained they could easily charge from a 120v socket with as little driving as they do locally. Their "long" trips are to visit some family in the Chicago area where they could easily drive one-way on a full charge and my aunt's house (where they stay overnight) has a 240v dryer socket in the garage. I explained they could get an adapter, plug it in, and the car would charge overnight and be ready for the return trip a day or two later.

My dad is such a huge butthole who shiats on everything about EVs and says "They'll never sell" despite them already selling in great number.
 
2022-06-26 10:28:30 AM  

mrmopar5287: Russ1642: Seen differently, Ford had a system in place that was unreliable and led to the installation of incorrect parts.

It's possible. The discovery of the problem is a blown head gasket pulled from a Focus RS and it had the Mustang part number stamped on it, and there are subtle but important differences in the parts. The failure points to a box or boxes of gaskets for the Mustang getting shipped in packaging for the Focus RS, and on the assembly line the workers scanned the box and the computer said BOOP CORRECT PART when the parts in the box were not correct.


Its absolutely on Ford. How could this not be in the FMEA and they weren"t performing incoming inspections? Even if the gaskets looked identical, that is also on them, as that failure mode should have been foreseen and included in the FMEA and control plan. They were overly reliant upon thier supplier to provide 0 PPM. Happens all the time...another day ending on Y in the automotive industry.
 
2022-06-26 11:47:53 AM  

Daer21: Russ1642: mrmopar5287: Mad_Radhu: mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.

My brother had one of the Focus RS models where they had to recall them because the engines were blowing up due to the factory mixing up the head gaskets between the Focus RS and Mustang models that used similar but not quite identical engines.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a15843780/heres-fords-official-warranty-fix-for-focus-rs-head-gasket-failure/

Gasket supplier mixed that up. The assembly line at Ford won't let you scan the barcode on the wrong gasket and install it - there would be alarms for the wrong part. The gasket supplier put the wrong gaskets in the box where the barcode scanned to say they were the correct part.

Seen differently, Ford had a system in place that was unreliable and led to the installation of incorrect parts.

If your supplier sends yoy mismarked parts, it's always a shiatshow.


Except Ford picks the supplier, based largely on price, and puts further pressure on them to deliver more and more for less and less. That's how it always works. You don't get to put the blame squarely on the supplier when this shiat happens.
 
2022-06-26 2:07:24 PM  

mrmopar5287: PerpetualPeristalsis: My wife had a Focus with the automatic manual transmission (shifts automatically but has a clutch). That thing was busted more often than not.

Oh, those were flat-out defective from the factory. The feds were looking into Ford for that but nothing come of that yet, so maybe nothing will happen. Ford sold hundreds of thousands of those cars (Fiestas and Foci) with transmissions they knew were bad.


Hyundai and Kia are still selling cars with engines they they know catch fire. For ten years. And their engineers have yet to figure out how to fix it.
 
2022-06-26 4:32:19 PM  

WordsnCollision: YMMV but Fords have always served me well. Had a '74 Maverick that refused to die no matter how hard I tried to kill the witheringly uncool orange & white 6-cyl beast - agricultural tech has its good points. Finally met its maker in the most Seventies crash imaginable when I ran a red light and got t-boned by a Gremlin.

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Unimpressed dad replaced the totalled Maverick with the cheapest car he could find: a base-model Ford Fiesta. Silver with an orange (to my chagrin) vinyl interior. Even more primitive than the Maverick but it never failed to start, never got a recall, never needed unexpected servicing. Maybe Ford just wasn't/isn't good at high tech?

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At least you avoided the Pinto...?
 
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