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2022-06-25 8:39:31 AM  
They kind of are though. Right now, they're fighting a "Special Operation" and mobilizing to get stuff to a single front. Of course, they are also claiming that they might start some sh*t elsewhere, which, given their amount of success in pulling off a sneak attack to cripple Ukraine isn't overly likely. And if Ukraine can get NATO support finally, Russia doesn't exactly have a lot of ordinance left to defend the Motherland if folks wanted to push them back across their borders. Not against a fully modern force with actual logistics in place.

Russia is scrambling to get supplies to their troops as it is. They've got a ton of stuff stockpiled, with few ways to get it to where they want it.

The US has long maintained that we be able to fight a war on multiple fronts, and our logistic chains are based on that idea. Troop strengths and commands were set up to fight in the Pacific AND in Europe at the same time, along with ops across the globe at the same time. Russia has maintained a force that has primarily been to defend the homeland, and roll over countries without much for modern assets.

Russia can keep fighting in the Ukraine, or they can defend the homeland, but both is going to be tricky. Especially with getting everyone mobilized. They've got a lot of dudes, and a lot of warehouses, but they aren't ready to fight a war on equal terms, against foes that have tech on their level or better. They're already hard pressed to keep up on the little presses that they've started, because they have had to funnel so much into Ukraine at this point. They're just hoping that no one pushes back further, and everyone buys the bluster. Especially since pretty much EVERYONE on their borders is gearing up now, just in case.
 
2022-06-25 8:58:52 AM  
This type of war is all about logistics.

You can be a brilliant tactician, but if your troops only weapons are them yelling "bang!" then you're not going to do very well.
 
2022-06-25 9:31:37 AM  
This is really the only hope of this thing ending any time soon, barring Putin's demise.
 
2022-06-25 9:47:50 AM  
It's already gone on far longer than I thought it could.  I thought they'd only planned on a few days of supplies for the start of it, without making a plan B.
 
2022-06-25 9:50:47 AM  
Russia fights war by just sending unarmed men into combat to get shot and exhaust the enemies bullets. So, I think they're probably fine.
 
2022-06-25 9:51:28 AM  
Russia has essentially an endless supply of dumb meat to throw into the grinder.  They apparently can't field anything like large quantities of modern equipment any longer.

If the goal is to suppress them but not conquer them... the only thing stopping NATO from just bombing the ever-loving fark out of them until they give up is a lack of will and the fear that they have at least one remaining functional ICBM.

If there's no goal to occupy or control their land, but basically just to keep hitting them until they stop trying to step outside their territory, Russia has zero capability to defend itself.
 
2022-06-25 9:54:30 AM  

hubiestubert: They kind of are though. Right now, they're fighting a "Special Operation" and mobilizing to get stuff to a single front. Of course, they are also claiming that they might start some sh*t elsewhere, which, given their amount of success in pulling off a sneak attack to cripple Ukraine isn't overly likely. And if Ukraine can get NATO support finally, Russia doesn't exactly have a lot of ordinance left to defend the Motherland if folks wanted to push them back across their borders. Not against a fully modern force with actual logistics in place.

Russia is scrambling to get supplies to their troops as it is. They've got a ton of stuff stockpiled, with few ways to get it to where they want it.

The US has long maintained that we be able to fight a war on multiple fronts, and our logistic chains are based on that idea. Troop strengths and commands were set up to fight in the Pacific AND in Europe at the same time, along with ops across the globe at the same time. Russia has maintained a force that has primarily been to defend the homeland, and roll over countries without much for modern assets.

Russia can keep fighting in the Ukraine, or they can defend the homeland, but both is going to be tricky. Especially with getting everyone mobilized. They've got a lot of dudes, and a lot of warehouses, but they aren't ready to fight a war on equal terms, against foes that have tech on their level or better. They're already hard pressed to keep up on the little presses that they've started, because they have had to funnel so much into Ukraine at this point. They're just hoping that no one pushes back further, and everyone buys the bluster. Especially since pretty much EVERYONE on their borders is gearing up now, just in case.


The only real homeland defense they need is to say "if Western troops cross this line, the EU becomes irradiated".  I have little doubt that Putin would be willing to push the button, even if it means a retaliatory strike levels Russia in response, especially if his health is as bad as has been rumored.
 
2022-06-25 9:56:20 AM  
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2022-06-25 9:57:33 AM  
Taking territory and holding it are two different things.

Russians are taking territory for the sake of some face saving propaganda 'victory' in this pyrrhic war they are waging. They are counting on being able to just wing it through the occupation after burning through men and resources to take the land *or* being able to get a cease fire (or peace deal) that will let them stay on that land to regroup.

Neither is a particularly good bet.
 
2022-06-25 9:59:32 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Russia fights war by just sending unarmed men into combat to get shot and exhaust the enemies bullets. So, I think they're probably fine.



They have a number of unconventional war fighting strategies


Russian missile fails and 'boomerangs back at Russian troops'
Youtube 6IwqmezeSuQ
 
2022-06-25 10:01:00 AM  
Did Putin so successfully surround himself with yes-men, flunkies and cowards that nobody is left near him to do something about him?
 
2022-06-25 10:01:05 AM  

hubiestubert: They kind of are though. Right now, they're fighting a "Special Operation" and mobilizing to get stuff to a single front. Of course, they are also claiming that they might start some sh*t elsewhere, which, given their amount of success in pulling off a sneak attack to cripple Ukraine isn't overly likely. And if Ukraine can get NATO support finally, Russia doesn't exactly have a lot of ordinance left to defend the Motherland if folks wanted to push them back across their borders. Not against a fully modern force with actual logistics in place.

Russia is scrambling to get supplies to their troops as it is. They've got a ton of stuff stockpiled, with few ways to get it to where they want it.

The US has long maintained that we be able to fight a war on multiple fronts, and our logistic chains are based on that idea. Troop strengths and commands were set up to fight in the Pacific AND in Europe at the same time, along with ops across the globe at the same time. Russia has maintained a force that has primarily been to defend the homeland, and roll over countries without much for modern assets.

Russia can keep fighting in the Ukraine, or they can defend the homeland, but both is going to be tricky. Especially with getting everyone mobilized. They've got a lot of dudes, and a lot of warehouses, but they aren't ready to fight a war on equal terms, against foes that have tech on their level or better. They're already hard pressed to keep up on the little presses that they've started, because they have had to funnel so much into Ukraine at this point. They're just hoping that no one pushes back further, and everyone buys the bluster. Especially since pretty much EVERYONE on their borders is gearing up now, just in case.


I find your post more encouraging (and believable) than the article which has an anonymous source. At least we know you and your record a little.
 
2022-06-25 10:03:29 AM  

Alphax: It's already gone on far longer than I thought it could.  I thought they'd only planned on a few days of supplies for the start of it, without making a plan B.


They did. But they got things moving once they retreated and started making a more restrained attack.
 
2022-06-25 10:04:26 AM  
Russia lied to Putin about its strength. I has been very telling through this war. Russia has failed catastrophically despite what we thought was one of the biggest and best militaries in the world. The only reason they are taking any territory is from weeks of artillery because it's cheap, and throwing their men into the meat grinder. What they thought was gonna be an easy take in days is now months in. It's almost like they are still going simply to keep the propaganda alive.  Once that collapses, the people will ask questions and turn on you.

Ukraine won't ever be the same and it's a horrible situation, but I am happy they know they are fighting this off on their own more or less. It will make them far more patriotic and proud in the end. And hopefully we accept their bid into the EU.   Russia deserves to not exist after this is all said and done.  Sanctions should stay in place and we get energy resources elsewhere. Let that country die. Slowly
 
2022-06-25 10:05:18 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Russia fights war by just sending unarmed men into combat to get shot and exhaust the enemies bullets. So, I think they're probably fine.


Unsung_Hero: Russia has essentially an endless supply of dumb meat to throw into the grinder.  They apparently can't field anything like large quantities of modern equipment any longer.



Enemy at the gate; One out of tow gets a rifle, one without follows him
Youtube KMjYNKED0U0


/may be nsfw due to violence/simulated gore
 
DVD
2022-06-25 10:05:28 AM  

NeoCortex42: hubiestubert: They kind of are though. Right now, they're fighting a "Special Operation" and mobilizing to get stuff to a single front. Of course, they are also claiming that they might start some sh*t elsewhere, which, given their amount of success in pulling off a sneak attack to cripple Ukraine isn't overly likely. And if Ukraine can get NATO support finally, Russia doesn't exactly have a lot of ordinance left to defend the Motherland if folks wanted to push them back across their borders. Not against a fully modern force with actual logistics in place.


Russia is scrambling to get supplies to their troops as it is. They've got a ton of stuff stockpiled, with few ways to get it to where they want it.

The US has long maintained that we be able to fight a war on multiple fronts, and our logistic chains are based on that idea. Troop strengths and commands were set up to fight in the Pacific AND in Europe at the same time, along with ops across the globe at the same time. Russia has maintained a force that has primarily been to defend the homeland, and roll over countries without much for modern assets.

Russia can keep fighting in the Ukraine, or they can defend the homeland, but both is going to be tricky. Especially with getting everyone mobilized. They've got a lot of dudes, and a lot of warehouses, but they aren't ready to fight a war on equal terms, against foes that have tech on their level or better. They're already hard pressed to keep up on the little presses that they've started, because they have had to funnel so much into Ukraine at this point. They're just hoping that no one pushes back further, and everyone buys the bluster. Especially since pretty much EVERYONE on their borders is gearing up now, just in case.

___________________________________

The only real homeland defense they need is to say "if Western troops cross this line, the EU becomes irradiated". I have little doubt that Putin would be willing to push the button, even if it means a retaliatory strike levels Russia in response, especially if his health is as bad as has been rumored.

____________________________________


That's the ultimate in Russian Roulette these days.  We've gotten a long look at the results of a military underneath a kleptocratic regime.  The Kremlin made all sorts of claims after 2008 and Georgia.  The results in 2022 are in.  We don't know how different the nuclear forces may be from everything else.

Were the grasping hands successfully scared away from Putin's last card to play, or did they make their way in, with the oligarchs doing the grasping counting on a way to get away from any sudden bullet-filled elevator shafts?  Nuclear readiness is a harder task than conventional readiness, so the corrosive effects of constant industrial theft hit harder there than they would on less maintenance-intensive material.

Also, things seem to be "on fire" in Russia a lot this year.  How many nuclear sites have taken damage from what appears to be internal unrest?
 
2022-06-25 10:05:54 AM  

Joe USer: This type of war is all about logistics.

You can be a brilliant tactician, but if your troops only weapons are them yelling "bang!" then you're not going to do very well.


Every type of war is, eventually, about logistics and resupply.

I was playing OG Shogun Total War (the one from 2000-2001) last night. Right now...I'm in the "expand as fast as possible" phase.

The trouble, of course, is getting the maximum number troops possible to the front line without sending myself into bankruptcy or interfering with my ability to build ports. Ports are super OP because you can transfer troops from one port to any other port in 1 turn...regardless of the distance between the two ports.
 
2022-06-25 10:07:01 AM  
When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.
 
2022-06-25 10:08:35 AM  

kbronsito: Taking territory and holding it are two different things.

Russians are taking territory for the sake of some face saving propaganda 'victory' in this pyrrhic war they are waging. They are counting on being able to just wing it through the occupation after burning through men and resources to take the land *or* being able to get a cease fire (or peace deal) that will let them stay on that land to regroup.

Neither is a particularly good bet.


They've already lost more troops and matériel than all the years in Afghanistan, and it's not going to get any better. They can take the land, maybe, but you're right in that can't hold it. There isn't complicit support with world powers at this point like their previous seizure, and a motivated population with arms coming in fast only makes the idea of an insurgency even worse. And now they want to threaten the same with OTHER neighbors, who are ready and with more scrutiny from the West to watch their every move?

Smartest thing would have been just to say the heck out, but smart isn't what these folks do anymore. Too many years of looting their own coffers means they NEED new hunting grounds, and at this point, the whole thing is nearing the same collapse point that the USSR had after Afghanistan. Only worse, since at least the USSR could at least split along former national lines. Russia is on the verge of imploding, and they all know it, and are hoping that they can just bluster their way through it. The collapse is coming, no matter what, it's just a matter of how soon.
 
2022-06-25 10:09:36 AM  
I saw a video blurb on MSNBC(?) showing actual trench warfare going on...trench warfare!  the whole world is now starting to spin backwards
 
2022-06-25 10:09:48 AM  

mpirooz: When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.


Yeah, no.  Using up your crappy old equipment is not something you do at the cost of your primary objective.
 
2022-06-25 10:10:37 AM  

Unsung_Hero: mpirooz: When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.

Yeah, no.  Using up your crappy old equipment is not something you do at the cost of your primary objective.


And that primary objective is...?
 
2022-06-25 10:10:58 AM  

divgradcurl: [Fark user image image 245x315]

/inb4 you know who


Frank Stallone?
 
2022-06-25 10:12:42 AM  

Jesterling: Peter von Nostrand: Russia fights war by just sending unarmed men into combat to get shot and exhaust the enemies bullets. So, I think they're probably fine.


They have a number of unconventional war fighting strategies


[YouTube video: Russian missile fails and 'boomerangs back at Russian troops']


Saudi Patriot Missile Has Catastrophic Malfunction And Impacts City
Youtube YS4i2InVB-Y

Happens to US Patriot Missile systems too.
 
2022-06-25 10:13:28 AM  

DVD: NeoCortex42: hubiestubert: They kind of are though. Right now, they're fighting a "Special Operation" and mobilizing to get stuff to a single front. Of course, they are also claiming that they might start some sh*t elsewhere, which, given their amount of success in pulling off a sneak attack to cripple Ukraine isn't overly likely. And if Ukraine can get NATO support finally, Russia doesn't exactly have a lot of ordinance left to defend the Motherland if folks wanted to push them back across their borders. Not against a fully modern force with actual logistics in place.


Russia is scrambling to get supplies to their troops as it is. They've got a ton of stuff stockpiled, with few ways to get it to where they want it.

The US has long maintained that we be able to fight a war on multiple fronts, and our logistic chains are based on that idea. Troop strengths and commands were set up to fight in the Pacific AND in Europe at the same time, along with ops across the globe at the same time. Russia has maintained a force that has primarily been to defend the homeland, and roll over countries without much for modern assets.

Russia can keep fighting in the Ukraine, or they can defend the homeland, but both is going to be tricky. Especially with getting everyone mobilized. They've got a lot of dudes, and a lot of warehouses, but they aren't ready to fight a war on equal terms, against foes that have tech on their level or better. They're already hard pressed to keep up on the little presses that they've started, because they have had to funnel so much into Ukraine at this point. They're just hoping that no one pushes back further, and everyone buys the bluster. Especially since pretty much EVERYONE on their borders is gearing up now, just in case.

___________________________________

The only real homeland defense they need is to say "if Western troops cross this line, the EU becomes irradiated". I have little doubt that Putin would be willing to push the button, even if ...


Even if the commonly assumed nuclear arsenal is way overestimated and Russia only has the capability to hit a couple sites in Europe, that would still be very bad.
 
2022-06-25 10:13:59 AM  
Does anyone know what a bunker buster would do to a nuclear silo? Asking for a concerned country...
 
2022-06-25 10:15:00 AM  
They're shipping in T-62's and moist nuggets.  That was the end for all practical purposes.
 
2022-06-25 10:16:21 AM  

hubiestubert: kbronsito: Taking territory and holding it are two different things.

Russians are taking territory for the sake of some face saving propaganda 'victory' in this pyrrhic war they are waging. They are counting on being able to just wing it through the occupation after burning through men and resources to take the land *or* being able to get a cease fire (or peace deal) that will let them stay on that land to regroup.

Neither is a particularly good bet.

They've already lost more troops and matériel than all the years in Afghanistan, and it's not going to get any better. They can take the land, maybe, but you're right in that can't hold it. There isn't complicit support with world powers at this point like their previous seizure, and a motivated population with arms coming in fast only makes the idea of an insurgency even worse. And now they want to threaten the same with OTHER neighbors, who are ready and with more scrutiny from the West to watch their every move?

Smartest thing would have been just to say the heck out, but smart isn't what these folks do anymore. Too many years of looting their own coffers means they NEED new hunting grounds, and at this point, the whole thing is nearing the same collapse point that the USSR had after Afghanistan. Only worse, since at least the USSR could at least split along former national lines. Russia is on the verge of imploding, and they all know it, and are hoping that they can just bluster their way through it. The collapse is coming, no matter what, it's just a matter of how soon.


Paging Kazakhstan. Come on, Russia is lording over you just like they are Belarus,Georgia, and Moldova. Rear yer ugly heads and show Putin's Imperial Russia just how badass you can be in the face of Putin bullschit bullying.
 
2022-06-25 10:16:27 AM  
You just won the invasion.  Now comes the insurrection.  Prepare for a decade of IEDs, assassinations of quislings, and car bombs.

If Russia is lucky, Putin will only blow up a few apartment blocks in Moscow to justify continuing to throw rural minorities into his meat grinder.
 
2022-06-25 10:17:41 AM  

Aquapope: Did Putin so successfully surround himself with yes-men, flunkies and cowards that nobody is left near him to do something about him?


Trumpski used Russian FSB lawyers to plan Jan 6th?
Makes sense for the Coup Clutz Clan to use Russia just like they did the USSR during the "fake" satanic panic of the 70s.
 
2022-06-25 10:18:05 AM  
Russia is already losing to NATO and NATO is still sitting at home reading a book and hasn't even decided if they are even going to the fight yet. If NATO ever pulls out of the driveway to actually go then watch out.
 
2022-06-25 10:18:33 AM  

mpirooz: Unsung_Hero: mpirooz: When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.

Yeah, no.  Using up your crappy old equipment is not something you do at the cost of your primary objective.

And that primary objective is...?


Quickly capture Kyiv and decapitate the Ukrainian leadership, then install Russian puppets in key leadership positions.
 
2022-06-25 10:19:25 AM  

mpirooz: Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.


You mean like the planeloads of Spetsnaz paratroopers they spent on trying to take and keep Hostomel Airport?

Just junky old VDV.  Good to know
 
2022-06-25 10:20:16 AM  

Joe USer: This type of war is all about logistics.

You can be a brilliant tactician, but if your troops only weapons are them yelling "bang!" then you're not going to do very well.


I'm expecting our HIMARS + US satellite targeting intel should provide plenty of booms.

I'm not sure how the agitprop campaign is going in Russia, but I sure wish our cyber forces are working on deprogramming the Russian populace.  IMO they are just as zooked as the North Koreans.

News re. the oligarchy has been pretty quiet lately. Anyone have an update on those clowns?
 
2022-06-25 10:23:49 AM  

mpirooz: When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.


This is not how propaganda works.

You do not want to show the world that your equipment is old, rusty, and obsolete, and your army is incompetent, unfit, undisciplined, and untrained.

As much as war is about logistics, it is also about ego.
 
2022-06-25 10:24:28 AM  

darth sunshine: I saw a video blurb on MSNBC(?) showing actual trench warfare going on...trench warfare!  the whole world is now starting to spin backwards


They've had trench warfare in country since 2014. You don't have a choice in this type of combat. Airpower and modern rounds made it less effective, but there's been trench warfare in every conflict since WWI
 
2022-06-25 10:25:37 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: mpirooz: Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

You mean like the planeloads of Spetsnaz paratroopers they spent on trying to take and keep Hostomel Airport?

Just junky old VDV.  Good to know


Didn't they get obliterated? Perhaps the Russian Federation version of Spetsnaz isn't as good or as well equipped or as well trained as the USSR's version of Spetsnaz?

/ on the other hand....the OG Spetsnaz weren't much use in Afghanistan
 
2022-06-25 10:25:38 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Russia is already losing to NATO and NATO is still sitting at home reading a book and hasn't even decided if they are even going to the fight yet. If NATO ever pulls out of the driveway to actually go then watch out.


Russia is withholding huge amounts of its army in reserve so that it is not defenceless across the rest of its border. Ukraine, on the other hand, is fighting a total war.

So the right way to frame this is "a moderate-sized chunk of the Russian army is bogged down fighting the entire Ukrainian military." You aren't seeing what the full Russian military capability looks like and it is foolhardy to make such statements based on this incomplete data.
 
2022-06-25 10:26:31 AM  
Meh... hard to tell without security clearance and intel.

From the sidelines it looks like maybe Russia has enough old artillery, bombs and tanks to get the job done, butt... them aren't making any progress with skill or tactics. They have a brute force/lay waste tactic; bomb, shell, destroy, then move in to the ruins and say that they have "taken control" of wastelands.
Not exactly a long term plan other than a "fark you, mine" attitude, and I think they are going to have some issue with troops who aren't quite so happy to die en masse for this.
Hell, some troops already ran over their commander when he was sacrificing them.

Anyway, it is a giant mess with Putin killing a lot of people on either side (and destroying countless lives) just for some gas/oil reserves. I don't even believe in the "USSR glory" theory anymore, just human greed and stupidity.
Those are things you can bank on...
 
2022-06-25 10:28:49 AM  

iheartscotch: Vlad_the_Inaner: mpirooz: Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

You mean like the planeloads of Spetsnaz paratroopers they spent on trying to take and keep Hostomel Airport?

Just junky old VDV.  Good to know

Didn't they get obliterated? Perhaps the Russian Federation version of Spetsnaz isn't as good or as well equipped or as well trained as the USSR's version of Spetsnaz?

/ on the other hand....the OG Spetsnaz weren't much use in Afghanistan



VDV $hitpost
Youtube kXzSDIoSsT0


/love these stupid things
 
2022-06-25 10:30:10 AM  
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2022-06-25 10:30:18 AM  

Ishkur: mpirooz: When it comes to another nation's and in particular autocrat's intentions, there are no experts.

I remember when everybody was making fun of Russia for how shiatty there equipment was. Then I realized it was all of their junk - they were just dumping it in Ukraine, treating it like a landfill.

In my opinion, the most likely situation is that these "experts" are singing the tunes that Putin wants them to, intentionally or not.

This is not how propaganda works.

You do not want to show the world that your equipment is old, rusty, and obsolete, and your army is incompetent, unfit, undisciplined, and untrained.

As much as war is about logistics, it is also about ego.


In fairness, they also sent some of their new and shinny T-90 tanks and those got blown up just as easily by NLAW and Javelins, in spite of the improvised fence Russians put on them.
 
2022-06-25 10:31:43 AM  

Percise1: Meh... hard to tell without security clearance and intel.

From the sidelines it looks like maybe Russia has enough old artillery, bombs and tanks to get the job done, butt... them aren't making any progress with skill or tactics. They have a brute force/lay waste tactic; bomb, shell, destroy, then move in to the ruins and say that they have "taken control" of wastelands.
Not exactly a long term plan other than a "fark you, mine" attitude, and I think they are going to have some issue with troops who aren't quite so happy to die en masse for this.
Hell, some troops already ran over their commander when he was sacrificing them.

Anyway, it is a giant mess with Putin killing a lot of people on either side (and destroying countless lives) just for some gas/oil reserves. I don't even believe in the "USSR glory" theory anymore, just human greed and stupidity.
Those are things you can bank on...


Ammo has a shelf life before it becomes "use and blow your face up" old. Normally that wouldnt be true, but the amount of corruption and incompetence in the russian armed forces makes the idea of all storage facilities being up to spec laughable at best. And the rate they have been going through shiat would even make american arms manufacturers see red
 
2022-06-25 10:42:47 AM  

darth sunshine: I saw a video blurb on MSNBC(?) showing actual trench warfare going on...trench warfare!  the whole world is now starting to spin backwards


Sure. Trenches are significant obstacles that force an attacker to navigate around them. They've been basic defensive structures for literally thousands of years.
 
2022-06-25 10:44:29 AM  
The nazis probably thought that at one time too.

Russia is not losing this war. Ukraine needs a lot more help.
 
2022-06-25 10:45:30 AM  
I've been waiting for those Ryssa f*cks to crumble and collapse for WEEKS now.

Oh it'll be four more days, oh it'll be a week oh it'll be this, oh it'll be that.

WHEN.
 
2022-06-25 10:45:33 AM  
The same day the DOJ charges Trump with one of his crimes?
 
2022-06-25 10:45:36 AM  
Belarus jumping in shows that Russia is in need of help. I really wish someone would give Ukraine direct help, but understand why they can't at the moment. Russia and its pals need to be put in check, and that could happen easily if just 1 other country could step in. God damn is it frustrating
 
2022-06-25 10:46:19 AM  
Der Spiegel says they're running out of soldiers, so that's nice.
 
2022-06-25 10:53:46 AM  

qorkfiend: darth sunshine: I saw a video blurb on MSNBC(?) showing actual trench warfare going on...trench warfare!  the whole world is now starting to spin backwards

Sure. Trenches are significant obstacles that force an attacker to navigate around them. They've been basic defensive structures for literally thousands of years.


Even more important when the Russians don't have a lot of proximity fuses for their artillery shells (as they appear not to)

Stand in the open and a 152mm shell has a kill radius of something like 50m.  But if you're in a trench, unless you're incredibly unlucky and get a direct hit the shrapnel from a groundburst just passes overhead.  Proximity fuses make trenches much less survivable- now you need overhead cover as well, but without them the Russians are stuck with the "Fire enough dumb rounds and you'll get a direct hit eventually" method of bombardment.
 
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