Skip to content
Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NYPost)   MTA vows that almost every station in the NYC subway will be accessible by 2055, only 65 years after the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) was signed into law. No rush guys   (nypost.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, New York City, New York City Subway, New York subway stations, class action suit, Accessibility, Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, Rapid transit, disability advocates  
•       •       •

590 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Jun 2022 at 10:53 AM (13 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



43 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2022-06-23 10:55:39 AM  
Lame
 
2022-06-23 10:57:57 AM  
It's the Americans with Disabilities Act, not the Make New York Public Transit Workers Move Faster than Drugged Snails Act.
 
2022-06-23 10:59:46 AM  
Analysis paralysis of cost measures ultimately crippled the flow of funds for these upgrades.
 
2022-06-23 11:05:17 AM  

valkore: Analysis paralysis of cost measures ultimately crippled the flow of funds for these upgrades.


media3.giphy.comView Full Size
 
2022-06-23 11:08:14 AM  
It's already been over a hundred years, what's a few more?

It is more difficult and expensive to try to retrofit older stations than to build it into new, probably major rebuilds for some. Maybe if we diverted some taxes from roads or something it would help?
 
2022-06-23 11:09:19 AM  
Subby, the ADA specifies "reasonable" accommodation.  For a lot of older buildings and infrastructure, it is problematic to retrofit them, so they are legally exempt.  However, when they do major renovations, they do have to comply.  To be honest, it is amazing they will achieve 100% at all - I think even the London Underground only expects to get about 75%* ever, because some stations cannot eliminate the infamous gap without rerouting the tracks enough to close the station.  I'm assuming the recent subway flooding has resulted in plans for renovations that will make accessibility a rounding error in the upgrade costs.  Which is pretty much in line with how the act was envisioned.  Complying with it is trivial when you design with it in mind.  But trying to implement it with structures already in situ can be a bear, and "you have to spend three times the coast of the building to retrofit it" isn't practical.  But if your grocery store aisles are too narrow in this day and age, you're a twat.  I've been in an ADA-compliant home and those hallways were farking sweet.


* Though I do remember when that number was <50%, so they may have adjusted it higher by now
 
2022-06-23 11:09:19 AM  
Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.
 
2022-06-23 11:11:00 AM  
These guys already have wheels to get around. Now they expect to use public transport?! Outrageous.
Maybe they should pray harder for legs.
 
2022-06-23 11:11:37 AM  
That's good, but also do platform barriers.
 
2022-06-23 11:12:18 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: That's good, but also do platform barriers.


Funny enough, the reason why we can't add platform barriers?

ADA access requirements.

It's like the ultimate hilarious catch 22 merry go round.
 
2022-06-23 11:13:00 AM  
Total cost will be in the multi-billion range and still at that point in ~2054 they'll have a press release stating that in 40 years 96% of subways will be handicap accessible.
 
2022-06-23 11:13:43 AM  
Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-06-23 11:15:33 AM  

Flushing It All Away: Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.


Some people don't have a choice.
 
2022-06-23 11:15:36 AM  

Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]


Stagecoaches weren't public transport.  They were run by private companies.  You were living in high cotton if you could buy a stagecoach ticket.
 
2022-06-23 11:17:08 AM  

anfrind: Flushing It All Away: Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.

Some people don't have a choice.


To use the elevator as a impromptu toilet? Yeah, tell me about it. I've been pretty actively anti-public pooping.
 
2022-06-23 11:17:26 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: It's already been over a hundred years, what's a few more?

It is more difficult and expensive to try to retrofit older stations than to build it into new, probably major rebuilds for some. Maybe if we diverted some taxes from roads or something it would help?


The MTA is controlled by Albany, not NYC.   Politicians screwing down-state New Yorkers plays really well with up-state voters.
 
2022-06-23 11:17:44 AM  
The local government built two new stations near me.  One is on a hill perpendicular to the wind so they put a high V shaped roof on it without any wind protection.  The roof parallels the tracks except it cuts off by where people in wheel chairs need to wait.  The new restrooms didn't account for the furnishing when they sized them so there isn't enough room because the sink and wastebasket is in in the way and there is no coat hook or any sort of shelving to set stuff on.  There are two seats for mobility impaired people on the platform. The two stations and 400 ish (down from 900) space parking garage cost a half a billion dollars.  They should have done much better.
 
2022-06-23 11:19:05 AM  

phalamir: Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]

Stagecoaches weren't public transport.  They were run by private companies.  You were living in high cotton if you could buy a stagecoach ticket.


The subways weren't public transportation in 1904 either.  They were built and run by private companies.
 
2022-06-23 11:19:11 AM  

Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]


Not Boston, ours opened in 1897.  Yankees suck.
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-06-23 11:19:27 AM  

Flushing It All Away: anfrind: Flushing It All Away: Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.

Some people don't have a choice.

To use the elevator as a impromptu toilet? Yeah, tell me about it. I've been pretty actively anti-public pooping.


... That is the most uniquely relevant username I've ever seen.
 
2022-06-23 11:25:24 AM  
Anybody have a spare couple hundred billion dollars?

No?

Then you get to wait until 2055.
 
2022-06-23 11:25:53 AM  

Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image image 850x624]


It's the post.
 
2022-06-23 11:27:26 AM  

deadsanta: Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]

Not Boston, ours opened in 1897.  Yankees suck.
[Fark user image 600x471]


Remember that time you came down to the Bronx to watch the Sox play at Yankee Stadium, and you said to your buddy, "Hey Tommy, you pahk the cah OK?", and they you got punched in the face by a guy from Jersey?  Remember that?  So, how you doin'?
 
2022-06-23 11:29:12 AM  

Geotpf: Anybody have a spare couple hundred billion dollars?

No?

Then you get to wait until 2055.


Ask the NYPD.
 
2022-06-23 11:31:49 AM  

Geotpf: Anybody have a spare couple hundred billion dollars?

No?

Then you get to wait until 2055.


The government does, we just prefer to use it to pay weapons manufacturers to sell us weapons that don't work or don't perform as well as advertised, so they get a bonus amount of money to fix their own mistakes. In the meantime, our public transportation system needs an upgrade, millions of Americans are homeless and/or hungry, our soldiers aren't paid enough (but man aren't those new F-35s shiny?), healthcare is unaffordable, and most jobs aren't willing to pay enough to their employees so they can live decent lives.
 
2022-06-23 11:33:52 AM  

Fissile: The MTA is controlled by Albany, not NYC.


Not exactly.  Both have some say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority#Governance

The MTA is governed by a 21-member board representing the 5 boroughs of New York City, each of the counties in its New York State service area, and worker and rider interest groups.[58] Of these, there are 14 voting members,[59] broken down into 13 board members who cast individual votes, 4 board members who cast a single collective vote, and 6 group representatives who do not vote.[60] The chairman position was split off of the existing CEO position in 2017.[61][62] However, the chairman and CEO positions were merged back into one position in 2019 when Foye was appointed.

Four members as well as the chairman and the CEO are directly nominated by the Governor of New York, while four are recommended by New York City's mayor. The county executives of Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties nominate one member each. Each of these members has one vote.[59][60][63] The county executives of Dutchess, Orange, Rockland, and Putnam counties also nominate one member each,[63] but these members cast one collective vote.[60]
 
2022-06-23 11:40:53 AM  
Always illuminating to see the FARKers who make wheelchair jokes about prominent Republicans weren't just doing it because they were Republicans.
 
2022-06-23 11:56:27 AM  

Flushing It All Away: IRestoreFurniture: That's good, but also do platform barriers.

Funny enough, the reason why we can't add platform barriers?

ADA access requirements.

It's like the ultimate hilarious catch 22 merry go round.


It is completely possible to make platform screen doors ADA compliant in a newly built station.  Of course, most NYC subway stations are 75+ years old.  Most can't have platform screen doors installed without a complete rebuild of the station, ADA or no ADA.
 
2022-06-23 11:56:54 AM  

Flushing It All Away: Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.


Hey now. Don't bring the MBTA into this discussion.
 
2022-06-23 12:08:14 PM  
Yeah, I don't think you can just "throw an elevator" into a subway station.  Not in NYC anyway.
 
2022-06-23 12:11:46 PM  

Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]


Yeah, but what have you done for me lately?
 
2022-06-23 12:16:52 PM  

Arkanaut: Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]

Yeah, but what have you done for me lately?


Contactless fare payment.  I think it's in every station now.  I pay with my phone.
 
2022-06-23 12:18:36 PM  

Geotpf: Flushing It All Away: IRestoreFurniture: That's good, but also do platform barriers.

Funny enough, the reason why we can't add platform barriers?

ADA access requirements.

It's like the ultimate hilarious catch 22 merry go round.

It is completely possible to make platform screen doors ADA compliant in a newly built station.  Of course, most NYC subway stations are 75+ years old.  Most can't have platform screen doors installed without a complete rebuild of the station, ADA or no ADA.


Given the amount of stacked infrastructure in most of this city, "expanding" or rebuilding subway stations would be quite the endeavor.

There's a reason why the Q line took 100 years to reach 96th Street.
 
2022-06-23 12:20:55 PM  

Fissile: Arkanaut: Fissile: Oh look, it's another one of those, "Lets bash Sodom and Gomorrah on Hudson" threads.

NYC had electric powered subways in 1904, when public transportation in other parts of US Murica looked like this:


[Fark user image 850x624]

Yeah, but what have you done for me lately?

Contactless fare payment.  I think it's in every station now.  I pay with my phone.


Yeah, but they increased the unlimited monthly ride cost $16/month by doing that, so, debatable on its efficacy.
 
2022-06-23 12:55:16 PM  

Flushing It All Away: Geotpf: Flushing It All Away: IRestoreFurniture: That's good, but also do platform barriers.

Funny enough, the reason why we can't add platform barriers?

ADA access requirements.

It's like the ultimate hilarious catch 22 merry go round.

It is completely possible to make platform screen doors ADA compliant in a newly built station.  Of course, most NYC subway stations are 75+ years old.  Most can't have platform screen doors installed without a complete rebuild of the station, ADA or no ADA.

Given the amount of stacked infrastructure in most of this city, "expanding" or rebuilding subway stations would be quite the endeavor.

There's a reason why the Q line took 100 years to reach 96th Street.


And there is no requirement to have platform screen doors, so they ain't doing it (they may do so on some stations; apparently a three station trial is in the works, but definitely not system wide).

There is a requirement to make stations ADA complaint, but money is the problem (combined with the general "NYC tax" on all construction).
 
2022-06-23 12:57:02 PM  
No offense, NYC - I know you have a lot going on - but I live in a small town in Spain and even our beaches are accessible. Clean it up.
 
2022-06-23 1:01:09 PM  
Well then this guy is just standing around getting in the way.

assets.rbl.msView Full Size
 
2022-06-23 1:13:16 PM  

Flushing It All Away: anfrind: Flushing It All Away: Sounds about right. Although, nobody takes the shiat and piss filled elevators anyways, so whatever.

Some people don't have a choice.

To use the elevator as a impromptu toilet? Yeah, tell me about it. I've been pretty actively anti-public pooping.


Oh, come on. There is nothing wrong with public pooping - as long as it is being done sanatarlly.
 
2022-06-23 2:12:38 PM  

KB202: No offense, NYC - I know you have a lot going on - but I live in a small town in Spain and even our beaches are accessible. Clean it up.


Spot on. My daughter lives in Barcelona and has to travel everywhere with a twin stroller. She knows all the handicap entrances to all the public transportation.
 
2022-06-23 2:22:28 PM  

Mole Man: Well then this guy is just standing around getting in the way.

[assets.rbl.ms image 850x477]


He doesn't look good after trying to sell the Enterprise some weapons systems.

images.squarespace-cdn.comView Full Size

/RIP Vincent
 
2022-06-23 2:46:51 PM  
That will help with the transport of body bags
 
2022-06-23 2:57:17 PM  
Great now I can get piss all over my wheelchair tires, hands.
 
2022-06-23 3:10:41 PM  

docilej: That will help with the transport of body bags


Yeah, but it's so much harder out in rural areas, where the murder rate per population is the same or higher than NYC.
 
Displayed 43 of 43 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


X
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.