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2022-06-23 7:03:08 AM  
The invasion does not go well.
 
2022-06-23 7:32:09 AM  
At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.
 
2022-06-23 7:33:58 AM  
It would have been a better start if they actually killed the guy.
 
2022-06-23 7:37:56 AM  
Practice, practice, practice.
 
2022-06-23 7:40:37 AM  
Uh...

I think that kid stole those glasses from one of Jim Harbaugh's sons.

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2022-06-23 7:41:31 AM  
The Russian-backed leader of a town in Ukraine's occupied Kherson region was wounded in an apparent assassination attempt Wednesday as Ukrainians up the stakes in their fight against the new leadership.

Wurdulac?

Leave it to the Russians to put vampires in leadership positions...
 
2022-06-23 7:43:25 AM  

guestguy: The Russian-backed leader of a town in Ukraine's occupied Kherson region was wounded in an apparent assassination attempt Wednesday as Ukrainians up the stakes in their fight against the new leadership.

Wurdulac?

Leave it to the Russians to put vampires in leadership positions...


Someone call Buffy stat.
 
2022-06-23 7:45:28 AM  

winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.


They break out the Mosins again? Real Talk: they can be pretty nice....for 80 year old+ rifles. If you had a choice...you would REALLY want one that was made pre-WWII.
 
2022-06-23 7:46:06 AM  
kill the vichy to the left-hand side
 
2022-06-23 7:48:01 AM  
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It's a war.
A farking genocidal invasion.
Side with the Orcs and you shouldn't be surprised that people are gunning for you.
 
2022-06-23 7:51:15 AM  

iheartscotch: winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.

They break out the Mosins again? Real Talk: they can be pretty nice....for 80 year old+ rifles. If you had a choice...you would REALLY want one that was made pre-WWII.


The Russians were issuing Nagant revolvers to cops as late as 2010, so handing Mosin rifles to militias not a reach.

The worked well enough for that Kyiv native, Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
 
2022-06-23 7:51:28 AM  
Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs
 
2022-06-23 7:52:18 AM  
He looks young. Could they not find anyone over 18 to run things?
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2022-06-23 8:04:12 AM  

Laobaojun: iheartscotch: winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.

They break out the Mosins again? Real Talk: they can be pretty nice....for 80 year old+ rifles. If you had a choice...you would REALLY want one that was made pre-WWII.

The Russians were issuing Nagant revolvers to cops as late as 2010, so handing Mosin rifles to militias not a reach.

The worked well enough for that Kyiv native, Lyudmila Pavlichenko.


Well....the nagant revolvers ARE more reliable than a lot of the stuff coming out of Russia these days. And they are almost indestructible. The only problem would be finding 7.62 Nagant ammo. Partizan in Serbia makes them new in-brass but I imagine that it would be pretty hard to get it to Russia.
 
2022-06-23 8:04:17 AM  

haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs


Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.
 
2022-06-23 8:06:53 AM  
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Christianity in Russia is the most widely professed religion in the country. The largest tradition is the Russian Orthodox Church. According to official sources, there are 170 eparchies of the Russian Orthodox Church, 145 of which are grouped in metropolitanates.


Jesus, just crashed a starship into your dacha...guess someone doesn't have your back anymore.

Warriors win the nba usa basketball championship, their, our, colors...blue yellow.

Got your back....
 
2022-06-23 8:06:54 AM  
Yury Turulev, the self-proclaimed head of the "new" administration of Chornobayivka

I dunno.   Until the Russian actually have the territory, you might want to keep the self-proclaiming down.
 
2022-06-23 8:11:29 AM  

iheartscotch: Laobaojun: iheartscotch: winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.

They break out the Mosins again? Real Talk: they can be pretty nice....for 80 year old+ rifles. If you had a choice...you would REALLY want one that was made pre-WWII.

The Russians were issuing Nagant revolvers to cops as late as 2010, so handing Mosin rifles to militias not a reach.

The worked well enough for that Kyiv native, Lyudmila Pavlichenko.

Well....the nagant revolvers ARE more reliable than a lot of the stuff coming out of Russia these days. And they are almost indestructible. The only problem would be finding 7.62 Nagant ammo. Partizan in Serbia makes them new in-brass but I imagine that it would be pretty hard to get it to Russia.


Single action trigger pull on a Nagant is heavier than double action on a modern Smith & Wesson revolver.
Assessment: this is an example of "guns for people we don't really want to arm.  See also the Martini Green Police Shotgun, the SMLE .410 musket, and the S&W double action only pistols of the 1980s.
 
2022-06-23 8:14:51 AM  

winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a grave pit


Ftfy.
 
2022-06-23 8:22:00 AM  
After holding up what appeared to be two Russian passports belonging to the men, he declared that "the Kherson partisans are continuing their fight against the Rashists," using a popular play on the word "fascists" to describe Russian occupiers.

Rashists could also be used to describe some Republicans.  Racist Fascist = "Rashists"
 
2022-06-23 8:30:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


This is how civilians fight back. The fact that the Taliban and ISIS used similar tactics doesn't mean it isn't right or justified.
 
2022-06-23 8:33:07 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


They are called partisans.
 
2022-06-23 8:40:29 AM  
cool.  Do Le Pen too.
 
2022-06-23 8:57:02 AM  
How many different ways can one say 'Good'.

Doesn't matter I suppose, one conveys the appropriate response quite well.
 
2022-06-23 9:05:52 AM  
Good.  The collaborators deserve death.  Every single one.
 
2022-06-23 9:07:34 AM  
Turulev was quoted in Russian media reports saying everyone in the vehicle had survived and that "we won't be scared by this."

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2022-06-23 9:11:01 AM  
Well better start heading east to safety.
 
2022-06-23 9:13:59 AM  

Pert: Turulev was quoted in Russian media reports saying everyone in the vehicle had survived and that "we won't be scared by this."

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Deploy the knee-poking seagulls!
 
2022-06-23 9:30:19 AM  

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Jesus, just crashed a starship into your dacha...guess someone doesn't have your back anymore.


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2022-06-23 9:30:36 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


To be clear: rising up and resisting occupation is a legitimate warfare activity.  Even if you don't like the people who are rising up and what they support politically; their choice to rise up and resist isn't the problem, it is what they support.

In comparison, saturation bombing cities is not a legitimate warfare activity, even if you support the political ends of the aggressors.
 
2022-06-23 9:41:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


Eat more fiber.
 
2022-06-23 9:47:16 AM  
"Kill the Quisling", you mean.
 
2022-06-23 9:57:44 AM  

winedrinkingman: At some point the Russian army is gonna completely abandoned the Donbas and all those collaborators with Mossan rifles are gonna be in a bit of a pickle.


Didn't this get started with a bunch of loudmouth "separatists" in Donbas yelling and screaming about how they wanted to be a part of Russia?
 
2022-06-23 10:07:14 AM  
Didn't he die like hundreds of years ago?

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2022-06-23 10:07:32 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: "Kill the Quisling", you mean.


Yep. Vichy is a city. "Vichy France", as in "the Avignon papacy".

Quisling was a guy. In a different country, but, same war.
 
2022-06-23 10:07:49 AM  
They only have to get lucky once
 
2022-06-23 10:12:40 AM  
A better start would be not to miss. Then there's this:

Flyers have routinely popped up in the city showing residents "instructions" on how to attack the Russian occupiers, while others have featured direct threats against Russian troops controlling the city, such as, "Get ready, we know all your patrol routes."

Don't raise your risk by issuing warnings, just do it. They'll get the message.
 
2022-06-23 10:12:42 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


So you object to them defending their own homes and lives?
Put yourself in their place. Wouldn't you do the same?
 
2022-06-23 10:31:39 AM  

fallingcow: OtherLittleGuy: "Kill the Quisling", you mean.

Yep. Vichy is a city. "Vichy France", as in "the Avignon papacy".

Quisling was a guy. In a different country, but, same war.


However, I should add, "kill the Vichy" does make sense, at least as an English phrase, if referring to members and followers of the collaborationist government in general. I'm not sure how the French refer to those who acted on behalf of the Vichy-based regime, but that usage works Ok in English.
 
2022-06-23 10:36:19 AM  

jjorsett: A better start would be not to miss. Then there's this:

Flyers have routinely popped up in the city showing residents "instructions" on how to attack the Russian occupiers, while others have featured direct threats against Russian troops controlling the city, such as, "Get ready, we know all your patrol routes."

Don't raise your risk by issuing warnings, just do it. They'll get the message.


If the end effect is "get them to run away", paper flyers are easier to produce or procure for civilians in an active war zone.

I'm sure they'd kill every one they could IF they could, but if you can get rid of 1000 troops (just an example) with a few teams of paper and printer instead of multiple cases of ammo (and the guns to fire them), you'd do it. All avenues.
 
2022-06-23 10:44:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


within occupied territory, it is harder to walk around with a Javelin missile or a machine gun

having said that, guerilla warfare has a quality all it's own
 
2022-06-23 10:46:06 AM  
10 years seems really light for open treason.
 
2022-06-23 10:46:59 AM  

grinding_journalist: If the end effect is "get them to run away", paper flyers are easier to produce or procure for civilians in an active war zone.


get them to run away, get them to be more stressed for longer, and less capable over time, get them to bunch up together in a "secure" location, get them to feel they constantly have to watch their backs, get them to jump whenever they hear a noise, get them to hate patrol duty, get them to abandon all preconceived notions that they are being welcomed as liberators
 
2022-06-23 10:50:13 AM  
Veni, vidi, vichy.
 
2022-06-23 10:55:53 AM  
Given how ferocious the Ukrainians have fought thus far, I have to think the insurgency in any occupied territory is going to be brutal.  That's probably why putin is going for a scorched earth liberation.  He knows every Ukrainian he leaves alive is one more person who wants to put a bullet in his head.
 
2022-06-23 11:21:20 AM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


It doesn't give me pause at all.  That was the plan had the nazis invaded the UK in 1940.  Maiming, killing, poisoning the invaders.  Fougasse IEDs spraying flammable liquids.  Mustard gassing the beaches.  School children throwing molotov cocktails.  All Germans and collaborators were fair game.
 
2022-06-23 11:41:06 AM  
I disapprove
Use 2 shooters to confuse the issue and make sure you wack the POS
 
2022-06-23 12:05:55 PM  

jjorsett: Flyers have routinely popped up in the city showing residents "instructions" on how to attack the Russian occupiers


Gritty is in Ukraine??

/the Orcs are going to FAFO
 
2022-06-23 12:39:43 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: It would have been a better start if they actually killed the guy.


Sometimes you gotta maim that ass to claim that ass
 
2022-06-23 12:40:14 PM  

Shaggy_C: haterade: Ukraine has learned the advancement IEDs

Advanced? Or devolved? While happy to cheer the Ukrainian army, the fact that they are turning to guerrilla attacks by civilians a la the Taliban and ISIS does give me pause.


You're probably right, maybe the partisans should be standing in a battle line across the street with flint-lock muskets announcing their intent to attack.
 
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