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2022-06-23 6:45:08 AM  
I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?
 
2022-06-23 8:19:26 AM  
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2022-06-23 8:31:48 AM  
Great, now Jon Stewart will run for president.

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Great!  Now Jon Stewart will run for president!
 
2022-06-23 8:34:59 AM  
The best thing Stewart did was help get federal support for 9/11 responders.
 
2022-06-23 8:36:17 AM  

LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?


Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".
 
2022-06-23 8:40:45 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".


Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.
 
2022-06-23 8:45:11 AM  
Stewart died about 5 years ago. He caught a bad case of Paranoid Uncle Syndrome. :(
 
2022-06-23 9:13:04 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: Stewart died about 5 years ago. He caught a bad case of Paranoid Uncle Syndrome. :(


He really should have just kept a low profile on his petting zoo or whatever, because he's said or done nothing good since TDS.
 
2022-06-23 10:01:55 AM  

LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?


He was a fantastic stand up years before he hosted that show. Maybe know a little about the person you're complaining about before complaining?
 
2022-06-23 10:09:32 AM  

LordBeavis: What else has he done to earn such an honor?


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2022-06-23 10:31:04 AM  
What else has he done?

Well for one he had fantastic coverage on the Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerant Tree-Dwellers, when they attacked that medical lab...
 
2022-06-23 10:57:48 AM  
I feel that, to a certain extent, Jon is as responsible as anyone for the 'hot take' voice we see replicated in media and particularly in social media.

At one level, it was an improvement over the really shallow political humor we saw before, if we saw it at all. They would typically do the work to provide context and that context provided the framework for the joke.

You had to pay attention to the details to really understand the humor.

On the other hand, it set an example that led to prize points for the best joke, which gets in the way of the compromise need to effectively govern in the US and prevents any useful conversation about things we disagree with.

A lot of the cable news network talking head shows now seem to imitate a watered down version of what he was doing.

"Isn't this new thing crazy?"

"Aren't the other so stupid?"

Carlson in particular seemed to change his schtick to emulate Stewart. He applies more bile and less funny, but you can see the pivots from earnest lecturing ending to a joke at the expense of those who he doesn't agree with. Hs old brand seemed to be a cross between a nonmusical Mark Russell and Young Sheldon.

The graphics they run behind the Daily Show's host's head as part of a story are really just a form of meme, which constitutes our most common political discussion these days.

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2022-06-23 11:43:26 AM  
Most of the tributes were very good.

Colbert's presentation:

Stephen Colbert on Jon Stewart | 2022 Mark Twain Prize
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2022-06-23 11:44:34 AM  
... and Steve Carrell

Steve Carell on Jon Stewart | 2022 Mark Twain Prize
Youtube leN3PbNvi3c
 
2022-06-23 12:08:08 PM  

LL316: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

He was a fantastic stand up years before he hosted that show. Maybe know a little about the person you're complaining about before complaining?


On Fark?!
 
2022-06-23 12:24:39 PM  

LordBeavis: Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".

Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.


This is a pretty good and lengthy article about what happened to Jon Stewart after retiring from the Daily Show which basically makes the same point that TC 2.0 is a direct result of that infamous Crossfire appearance. https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/the-problem-with-jon-stewart-tucker-carlson/629608/
tl;dr: Stewart was an innovator for roughly the first 10 years of TDS and made Comedy Central into what it is today, but phoned it in since taking the sabbatical. And while he did make stars out of people like Stephen Colbert, Steve Carrell, and John Oliver, he was also responsible for the likes of Tucker 2.0 and Joe Rogan's misinformation-palooza.
 
2022-06-23 12:30:07 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: ... and Steve Carrell

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/leN3PbNvi3c]


This was fantastic. Much better than both Oliver's and Chappelle's, which seem to be making the rounds more than this.
 
2022-06-23 1:44:32 PM  

germ78: LordBeavis: Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".

Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.

This is a pretty good and lengthy article about what happened to Jon Stewart after retiring from the Daily Show which basically makes the same point that TC 2.0 is a direct result of that infamous Crossfire appearance. https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/the-problem-with-jon-stewart-tucker-carlson/629608/
tl;dr: Stewart was an innovator for roughly the first 10 years of TDS and made Comedy Central into what it is today, but phoned it in since taking the sabbatical. And while he did make stars out of people like Stephen Colbert, Steve Carrell, and John Oliver, he was also responsible for the likes of Tucker 2.0 and Joe Rogan's misinformation-palooza.


I understand you're paraphrasing the article rather than sharing your own opinion, but I wonder is he responsible for TC and Rogan ? The fact that they are imitating his tactics doesn't make him responsible for what they apply those tactics to. If a kid watches me light a cigarette that doesn't make me responsible for the same kid using a lighter to burn down a building.
 
2022-06-23 2:04:31 PM  
Oliver had one joke and retold it for almost ten minutes.
 
2022-06-23 2:07:08 PM  

shabu: germ78: LordBeavis: Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".

Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.

This is a pretty good and lengthy article about what happened to Jon Stewart after retiring from the Daily Show which basically makes the same point that TC 2.0 is a direct result of that infamous Crossfire appearance. https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/the-problem-with-jon-stewart-tucker-carlson/629608/
tl;dr: Stewart was an innovator for roughly the first 10 years of TDS and made Comedy Central into what it is today, but phoned it in since taking the sabbatical. And while he did make stars out of people like Stephen Colbert, Steve Carrell, and John Oliver, he was also responsible for the likes of Tucker 2.0 and Joe Rogan's misinformation-palooza.

I understand you're paraphrasing the article rather than sharing your own opinion, but I wonder is he responsible for TC and Rogan ? The fact that they are imitating his tactics doesn't make him responsible for what they apply those tactics to. If a kid watches me light a cigarette that doesn't make me responsible for the same kid using a lighter to burn down a building.


People are greatly overstating what that Crossfire segment did.

We already had single voice shows like Rush Limbaugh using their microphone to spew unchecked garbage.  These kinds of lecture shows were already on the way whether Stewart rightly skewered Carlson or not.
 
2022-06-23 2:19:25 PM  

Subtonic: PartTimeBuddha: Stewart died about 5 years ago. He caught a bad case of Paranoid Uncle Syndrome. :(

He really should have just kept a low profile on his petting zoo or whatever, because he's said or done nothing good since TDS.


He did good work for 9/11 Responders. I think, somehow, that close-up view of government broke him.
 
2022-06-23 2:53:16 PM  

LL316: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

He was a fantastic stand up years before he hosted that show. Maybe know a little about the person you're complaining about before complaining?


He was a mediocre stand-up before he hosted the show, and a truly terrible actor. Career-wise, TDS has been the only worthwhile thing Stewart ever did. Politically, he's done some good things for veterans and first responders.
 
2022-06-23 3:18:09 PM  
Stewart WAS great, but it is true he's lost his way since.  His takes on COVID were pretty nutty.
 
2022-06-23 3:57:19 PM  
Isn't he veering into Dennis miller territory now?
 
2022-06-23 4:48:34 PM  

LordBeavis: Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".

Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.


He cosplayed on MNSBC as a reasonably conervative after CNN. Then he did Stupid Brunette on Fox's morning show. It took more than a decade for him to reach his current out and proud racist status. The Crossfire takedown was 2004. Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour didn't premiere until 2016.
 
2022-06-23 5:19:08 PM  

LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?


Have you thought about the Mark Twain Award
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2022-06-23 5:39:12 PM  

dsmith42: LordBeavis: Tyrone Slothrop: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

Given TC is now one of the most powerful people in the media, I wouldn't describe that as a "take down".

Exactly.  You might even say that he helped create TC 2.0.  Shortly after the takedown, he reinvents himself sans bowtie but new and improved racist dog whistles.  The world would be a far better place if TC was bickering with some liberal d-bag at 3 PM instead of giving millions of rubes their racist talking points in prime time with that confused, yet erstwhile look.

He cosplayed on MNSBC as a reasonably conervative after CNN. Then he did Stupid Brunette on Fox's morning show. It took more than a decade for him to reach his current out and proud racist status. The Crossfire takedown was 2004. Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour didn't premiere until 2016.


Yeah, he toyed with going "mainstream" until he saw the potential dollar signs in throwing meat to the wolves. He smelled what was in the air and leaned into it 100%.

Whether or not it's the real him doesn't really matter, because proudly wear a mask long enough and you ARE the mask.

Besides, I DO think it's really him and that his dalliance with trying to be more respectable was him simply toning it down during the Obama era for the sake of a career.

I also don't think it's possible for someone with a soul to just pretend to be what he is for so many years now and still sleep at night, so the only conclusion I can come up with is that "reasonable" Tucker was the act and this is the real deal.
 
2022-06-23 5:55:22 PM  

LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?


I mean...lifetime achievement?  Jon Stewart is definitely dead.
 
2022-06-23 6:03:03 PM  

Subtonic: PartTimeBuddha: Stewart died about 5 years ago. He caught a bad case of Paranoid Uncle Syndrome. :(

He really should have just kept a low profile on his petting zoo or whatever, because he's said or done nothing good since TDS.


You might want to walk that back a little.  The Nightly Show, Gravity Falls, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Rosewater, and Irresistable all come to mind as things he appeared, directed or produced since TDS that were good.
 
2022-06-23 6:16:14 PM  

shoegaze99: Whether or not it's the real him doesn't really matter, because proudly wear a mask long enough and you ARE the mask.


This perfectly describes Rush Limbaugh to a T.  His on air persona was an extension of his stand up act before that, but people started taking the act seriously, and then he started to believe his own bullshiat.
 
2022-06-23 7:25:31 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: The best thing Stewart did was help get federal support for 9/11 responders.


Wat?

Do you mean *more* support?
 
2022-06-23 7:26:29 PM  
I commend everyone who remained committed to the thread's comedy bit downplaying Stewart and his legacy.  Because it takes a lot to maintain the illusion that you genuinely hold such silly opinions.
 
2022-06-23 9:12:24 PM  

Lusiphur: LL316: LordBeavis: I'm pretty not sure that's not a roast, subby.  I'm also not sure Jon Stewart deserves the Mark Twain award.  He hosted a late night talk show on cable for awhile.  It was funny and often insightful but it wasn't groundbreaking as far as I can tell.

What else has he done to earn such an honor?  The Crossfire takedown was legend but not really comedy.  Have we run out of funny people to award?

He was a fantastic stand up years before he hosted that show. Maybe know a little about the person you're complaining about before complaining?

He was a mediocre stand-up before he hosted the show, and a truly terrible actor. Career-wise, TDS has been the only worthwhile thing Stewart ever did. Politically, he's done some good things for veterans and first responders.



Yeah, he only did 2500 episodes of a show that ran 16 years, was nominated for 56 Emmys, won 22 including 10 consecutive wins for outstanding comedy series, won 3 Peabody awards and 2 Grammys, including the audiobook of their bestselling parody textbook. Incidentally, when that longest-ever Emmy streak was broken, it was by a spin-off show executive-produced by Stewart (which itself ran for about a decade with a bunch of Emmys and Peabodys and Grammys and whatever).

So, indeed, it is only fair to ask: what has this comedian, writer, producer, director, satirist, political commentator, actor, and television host ever done for American comedy?
 
2022-06-23 9:27:56 PM  

shoegaze99: Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: ... and Steve Carrell

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/leN3PbNvi3c]

This was fantastic. Much better than both Oliver's and Chappelle's, which seem to be making the rounds more than this.


Ok, I had to look up that snake segment. Then I had to look up the "scientist". The segment was the first hit and his find-a-grave was right below.
 
2022-06-24 9:04:32 AM  

Troy McClure: Oliver had one joke and retold it for almost ten minutes.


Really well.

That's comedy.  You grab a handle and run with it.
 
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