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2022-06-23 5:11:14 AM  
Nothing I'd seen, only 2 I'd heard of.

TV is simply not a real part of my life anymore.
 
2022-06-23 5:13:39 AM  
There's Better Call Saul and then everybody else.
 
2022-06-23 6:12:04 AM  

Alphax: Nothing I'd seen, only 2 I'd heard of.

TV is simply not a real part of my life anymore.


The important thing is you took the time out of your busy life to let us all know. Thank you. We were all on the edges of our seats and can now relax.
 
2022-06-23 6:30:43 AM  
Strange New Worlds is good. It's my Number One.
 
2022-06-23 6:45:55 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Strange New Worlds is good. It's my Number One.


It is now the best Trek - arguably the best Trek since the original (adjusting for the times, obviously TOS would be laughed off the air if it launched its first run today).  Sadly for Trek, Orville had recently held that honor.
 
2022-06-23 6:47:38 AM  

Confabulat: There's Better Call Saul and then everybody else.


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/pure excellence
 
2022-06-23 7:55:59 AM  
Here's some money, go see a Marvel.
 
2022-06-23 8:26:48 AM  
The descriptions sound like bland honorifics for critical darlings assembled by madlib
 
2022-06-23 8:28:25 AM  
Atlanta is awesome, as is Better Call Saul.
 
2022-06-23 8:37:59 AM  
I'd like to check out Barry, but it's about acting, so violates one of my cardinal rules.

Hollywood and Broadway people think acting is the most important profession in the universe, and love to stage shows about actors acting, actors talking about acting, actors failing and succeeding at acting.

Some of the popular Broadway shows ever are The Producers (about making a Broadway play), Rosencrans and Guildenstern are dead (actors talking about acting), and A Chorus Line (dancers acting).

Hollywood shows about actors and comedians acting are too numerous to list.

So, sorry, no.
 
2022-06-23 9:03:39 AM  
I've never seen any of those shows and have only heard of a few of them.

I did just finish Beforeigners on HBO.  That one was a lot of fun, although reading captions for stuff not in english is kind of a drag.
 
2022-06-23 9:03:42 AM  
Streaming services are huge repositories of shows that can be watched anytime. No sane person would watch enough of them to speak about rating them. So words like "seasons" and "years" are meaningless.  When there were only 3 networks, it was vaguely possible, but that hasn't been true for years.

All we can safely say is that this is the golden era of actors. If you're not working steadily now with thousands of shows out there who need actors, the profession is not for you.
 
2022-06-23 9:30:12 AM  
Severance is the only one of those I saw and I loved it.
 
2022-06-23 9:56:52 AM  

claytonemery: I'd like to check out Barry, but it's about acting, so violates one of my cardinal rules.

Hollywood and Broadway people think acting is the most important profession in the universe, and love to stage shows about actors acting, actors talking about acting, actors failing and succeeding at acting.

Some of the popular Broadway shows ever are The Producers (about making a Broadway play), Rosencrans and Guildenstern are dead (actors talking about acting), and A Chorus Line (dancers acting).

Hollywood shows about actors and comedians acting are too numerous to list.

So, sorry, no.


We're inspired by our life experiences. Writers come from different backgrounds and their early writing usually reflects an interesting experience from outside the industry.

Once they are insiders, they no longer have those diverse experiences. That's why we get so many stories about Hollywood.
 
2022-06-23 10:04:47 AM  
For all the crap I gave Barry for its second season, the third corrected a lot of those mistakes, mostly by actually treating Barry like the villian he is.

I still don't understand the love for Better Call Saul. Every time I hear someone say that it's better than Breaking Bad, it feels like the same hipster impulse that causes people to insist that Jackie Brown is the best Tarantino film. It's well executed, but hard to feel terribly invested when you know how 90% of the main characters' stories end.
 
2022-06-23 10:10:34 AM  

Michael J Faux: For all the crap I gave Barry for its second season, the third corrected a lot of those mistakes, mostly by actually treating Barry like the villian he is.

I still don't understand the love for Better Call Saul. Every time I hear someone say that it's better than Breaking Bad, it feels like the same hipster impulse that causes people to insist that Jackie Brown is the best Tarantino film. It's well executed, but hard to feel terribly invested when you know how 90% of the main characters' stories end.


It's the journey, not the destination.
 
2022-06-23 10:14:53 AM  

Michael J Faux: For all the crap I gave Barry for its second season, the third corrected a lot of those mistakes, mostly by actually treating Barry like the villian he is.

I still don't understand the love for Better Call Saul. Every time I hear someone say that it's better than Breaking Bad, it feels like the same hipster impulse that causes people to insist that Jackie Brown is the best Tarantino film. It's well executed, but hard to feel terribly invested when you know how 90% of the main characters' stories end.


It's not the destination, it's the journey that is interesting. How Jimmy becomes Saul is fascinating and heartbreaking, and the question of what happens to Kim provides a lot of suspense.

Also:

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2022-06-23 10:36:44 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Tr0mBoNe: Strange New Worlds is good. It's my Number One.

It is now the best Trek - arguably the best Trek since the original (adjusting for the times, obviously TOS would be laughed off the air if it launched its first run today).  Sadly for Trek, Orville had recently held that honor.


It's surprisingly good but it's still no DS9. But after Picard and Discovery, it's a breathe of fresh air.

/but yeah, The Orville is better
 
2022-06-23 10:38:39 AM  

Michael J Faux: I still don't understand the love for Better Call Saul. Every time I hear someone say that it's better than Breaking Bad, it feels like the same hipster impulse that causes people to insist that Jackie Brown is the best Tarantino film. It's well executed, but hard to feel terribly invested when you know how 90% of the main characters' stories end.


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2022-06-23 10:45:48 AM  

Michael J Faux: For all the crap I gave Barry for its second season, the third corrected a lot of those mistakes, mostly by actually treating Barry like the villian he is.

I still don't understand the love for Better Call Saul. Every time I hear someone say that it's better than Breaking Bad, it feels like the same hipster impulse that causes people to insist that Jackie Brown is the best Tarantino film. It's well executed, but hard to feel terribly invested when you know how 90% of the main characters' stories end.


The cast is excellent.  Several compelling new characters have entered (and departed) the Breaking Bad universe.  Saul, Mike, Gus, are literally the only major characters with plot armor.

The writing is mostly excellent.

Saul/Jimmy is a lot more complex a character than Breaking Bad makes him out to be.

More Jonathan Banks.  Need I say more?

The show has been a remarkably slow burn bringing a small time con artist and correspondence school lawyer out from the shadow of his exceptional brother while providing a great deal of backstory (that doesn't create any retroactive continuity issues) for two of Breaking Bad's most enjoyable characters, Mike and Gus.   They've so far resisted the urge to shove every Breaking Bad character into a pointless cameo, and the ones who have shown up are there with a purpose.   Callbacks (call forwards?) to the original series are handled well.

Yeah, they're starting to go a little overboard with some of the signature obtuse camera angles and other cinematic fake outs at the start of each episode, but the show has been nothing but solid.

After this there's not much left to show from this world, and that's a shame.  It would be nice to get a proper Gus backstory, but I think that could be handled by a movie as they did with El Camino.
 
2022-06-23 10:50:18 AM  

Alphax: Nothing I'd seen, only 2 I'd heard of.

TV is simply not a real part of my life anymore.


Me too. But I see that the Keepers of Cool are already here to scold you for that indescretion.
 
2022-06-23 10:57:19 AM  
I've only heard of Better Call Saul.  It would be a better show if they had taken out Saul's brother as a character.  Behind Connor from Angel, who single-handedly ruined that show during season 4, I don't think I've disliked a character more in a TV show.  It's pretty solid otherwise.
 
2022-06-23 10:58:37 AM  

claytonemery: I'd like to check out Barry, but it's about acting, so violates one of my cardinal rules.

Hollywood and Broadway people think acting is the most important profession in the universe, and love to stage shows about actors acting, actors talking about acting, actors failing and succeeding at acting.


Pssssst... that's one of the central jokes of the show. All of the acting school scenes skewer that culture. It makes fun of the industry.

It's excellent satire, and the show also does an excellent job of walking the line between absurdity, action, and drama.
 
2022-06-23 11:50:57 AM  
It's too bad Succession hasn't aired yet this season 'cause, IMO, it would head this list. Damn but that show is intense.
 
2022-06-23 12:32:00 PM  

claytonemery: I'd like to check out Barry, but it's about acting, so violates one of my cardinal rules.

Hollywood and Broadway people think acting is the most important profession in the universe, and love to stage shows about actors acting, actors talking about acting, actors failing and succeeding at acting.

Some of the popular Broadway shows ever are The Producers (about making a Broadway play), Rosencrans and Guildenstern are dead (actors talking about acting), and A Chorus Line (dancers acting).

Hollywood shows about actors and comedians acting are too numerous to list.

So, sorry, no.


Only part of the 1st season focuses on an acting class but that's more of a plot device to incorporate 2 main characters into the story. Not a spoiler but part of the conceit is that Henry Winkler's character, the acting teacher, thinks Barry's life is a character's backstory that Barry invented.  ("I'm a former Marine with crippling PTSD, so, to cope, I contract myself as a professional hitman. I need this acting class to learn how to function in civilized society again."). After that, the acting class becomes a plot device to complicate Barry's life, like how can Barry do this hit and still get to class on time?  After the 1st season, the acting class is only talked about as something Barry, Sally, and Mr. Cousineau used to do.
 
2022-06-23 12:55:50 PM  
The ten best TV shows of 2022 (so far). Not a Marvel or Star War to be found

But ironically enough, TFA was drowning in ads for Loki.
 
2022-06-23 1:17:41 PM  
I was pleasantly surprised with Severance. I only turned it on because I loved Adam Scott so much in Parks & Rec but that show just blew me away. For the first few episodes, you're kept off-balance by just how weird the company, Lumon Industries, is--winding, sterile hallways, an almost religious devotion to the company's founders, excitement over lame rewards like a picture cube--and captivated by Helly trying to cope. Once you get used to that, you can just sit back and watch the nuances in Scott's acting as he transitions between his Lumon persona (called his "Innie") and real life (his "Outie").  And, in-between, you can try to figure out just what decade this is supposed to take place in (CRT monitors but there are smartphones.  Boxy late 80s/early 90s cars plus the occasional Chevy Chevette)
 
2022-06-23 1:22:12 PM  

claytonemery: I'd like to check out Barry, but it's about acting, so violates one of my cardinal rules.

Hollywood and Broadway people think acting is the most important profession in the universe, and love to stage shows about actors acting, actors talking about acting, actors failing and succeeding at acting.

Some of the popular Broadway shows ever are The Producers (about making a Broadway play), Rosencrans and Guildenstern are dead (actors talking about acting), and A Chorus Line (dancers acting).

Hollywood shows about actors and comedians acting are too numerous to list.

So, sorry, no.


Barry isn't exactly flattering in it's portrayal of acting as a profession. It makes fun of it more than anything, specifically in regards to how serious actors and actresses take themselves and their "craft".

You should give it a chance.
 
2022-06-23 1:39:15 PM  

Alphax: Nothing I'd seen, only 2 I'd heard of.

TV is simply not a real part of my life anymore.


Watch "Hell on Wheels" on Netflix.  Best Western series ever.  The title sequence shows it all.  "We're going to build  a railroad across America.  Nothing -- not Indians, not cholera, not wildfires, not strikes, not mountains, not bankruptcy -- is going to stop us."  Manly men doing manly things in a manly way.  Such a joy to see.
 
2022-06-23 2:10:50 PM  
P-Valley won the second Uncle Clifford jump his arse on the stripper pole.
 
2022-06-23 2:15:32 PM  
I'd just like to express how awesome Barry is and how I'm continually dumbfounded that they've manged to go this many episodes and never feel like it's being drug out. Also, NoHo Hank is a gem and worth the price of admission alone.
 
2022-06-23 3:07:14 PM  
No Peacemaker?

Okay then.,.

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2022-06-23 3:24:13 PM  

NKURyan: Barry isn't exactly flattering in it's portrayal of acting as a profession. It makes fun of it more than anything, specifically in regards to how serious actors and actresses take themselves and their "craft".


But not inaccurate, either. I know "actors" worse than that.

/watched it for a while, liked it it but sort of forgot about it, might go back
 
2022-06-23 3:42:54 PM  
Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel have both actually been pretty well done, whether on the list or nor.  The SW stuff, not really.    But it's not unreasonable to say even the good Marvel stuff is top 20, not top 10.  Big deal.
 
2022-06-23 4:18:14 PM  
Heartstopper, really? That was just Sex Education on a shoestring budget.
 
2022-06-23 4:26:16 PM  

LucasLuminaro: Severance is the only one of those I saw and I loved it.


Same.

I'm still a big fan of The Witcher, The Orville, Resident Alien, Only Murders in the Building, The Nevers, The Great, Upload, The Boys, Stranger Things, and both versions of Ghosts.

Lower Decks is good as is Mandalorian

I'm on the fence with Wheel of Time, God's Favorite Idiot, From and SNW (which is getting better over time, the first episode sucked).

I'm disappointed in Foundation, Raised by Wolves, and Boba Fett

I wish they would bring back Santa Clarita Diet...
 
2022-06-23 4:48:22 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Atlanta is awesome, as is Better Call Saul.


I concur.  From the list I'd also add Severance and Barry.  Haven't seen the others.

claytonemery: So, sorry, no.


You're missing out.

yakmans_dad: No sane person would watch enough of them to speak about rating them. So words like "seasons" and "years" are meaningless.


That's a weird take.  Shows are still developed as seasons.  How is that meaningless?  The streaming services haven't changed that.
 
2022-06-23 4:50:12 PM  

madgonad: LucasLuminaro: Severance is the only one of those I saw and I loved it.

Same.

I'm still a big fan of The Witcher, The Orville, Resident Alien, Only Murders in the Building, The Nevers, The Great, Upload, The Boys, Stranger Things, and both versions of Ghosts.

Lower Decks is good as is Mandalorian

I'm on the fence with Wheel of Time, God's Favorite Idiot, From and SNW (which is getting better over time, the first episode sucked).

I'm disappointed in Foundation, Raised by Wolves, and Boba Fett

I wish they would bring back Santa Clarita Diet...


RbW is the show that taught me what 'hate-watching' is.  I've never been so simultaneously entranced and irritated by a show like that's done to me.
 
2022-06-23 5:15:18 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: yakmans_dad: No sane person would watch enough of them to speak about rating them. So words like "seasons" and "years" are meaningless.

That's a weird take.  Shows are still developed as seasons.  How is that meaningless?  The streaming services haven't changed that.


People don't watch them as they come out. There's no need. That flattening of time is what makes "seasons" meaningless. I
 
2022-06-23 5:20:19 PM  
- SNW has been very good. Only a couple mis-steps; I was not a fan of Rukiya's storyline, and a couple small logical issues came up.

- Disco S4 has been steadily improving, and has some of the best Trek ever produced with "Anomaly", "Rosetta", and "The Ten-C".

- Lower Decks S2 was so much fun. They toned down the references and started telling better stories.

- Picard S2 had some very good scenes mixed in with a lot of inconsistency and some unfiltered WTF. For example, I loved seeing Wesley/Traveler at the end, but making Kore a Traveler was a logical disconnect that wicked failed for me. Would have made so much more sense if it were Soji. Either way we lose Isa Briones next (final) season.

- Boba Fett was <snort, ugh> Oh, shiat I'm still typing, I must have dozed off for a moment.

- Obi-Wan scaled up pretty well there at the end. Though with some questionable plot holes.

- The Orville is hot trash. I know it's a Fark favorite, I just don't see it.

- Didn't see the UK version of Ghosts, only the US version. All but a couple of the characters are very fun, plus Rose McIver is crazy hot.

- The Boys has been farkin' great. "She's body positive, but not too body positive. Still farkable...". Great line.

- I'll be finishing up Stranger Things this weekend, but enjoying it so far.

- Need to catch Upload S2. I loved the first season. Did a good job of scratching my "The Good Place" itch.

- Finally watched through Mandalorian. This I liked. I was okay with the tie-back to the Skywalker story.

- Didn't start Ms. Marvel yet. I am hearing/reading good things about it.

- Didn't finish Moon Knight, still want to see the rest.

- Loved Hawkeye, been wanting to re-watch that one.

- Loki was fun. A little inconsistent though.

Good gods I watch too much TV.
 
2022-06-23 5:24:48 PM  
Aezetyr: ... 

Good gods I watch too much TV.

Oh, and Mrs. Maisel S4 ... I still enjoy the show, I'm just not sure of the direction the show is taking. S5 is supposed to be the last one, could we start building to that a bit?
 
2022-06-23 5:32:10 PM  

Aezetyr: - Picard S2 had some very good scenes mixed in with a lot of inconsistency and some unfiltered WTF. For example, I loved seeing Wesley/Traveler at the end, but making Kore a Traveler was a logical disconnect that wicked failed for me. Would have made so much more sense if it were Soji. Either way we lose Isa Briones next (final) season.


I'm just some random dude on the internet and I don't watch a ton of TV (generally watch through a series or two at a time), but Picard S2 was far and away the worst thing I saw on TV this year. I paid $1/month to watch it and it still feels like I overpaid. I've seen a few people stick up for it but man... I really hated it. To each their own, though.

Luckily Strange New Worlds came right after...
 
2022-06-23 5:53:26 PM  

Aezetyr: - Didn't see the UK version of Ghosts, only the US version. All but a couple of the characters are very fun, plus Rose McIver is crazy hot.


The UK original is good. I think I slightly favor the US version, which is a rare thing for British imports. The UK version is both similar and different. You can catch it on HBOMax. When the next season of Westworld comes out you can catch them both if you are an on/off streamer like me.
 
2022-06-23 5:58:10 PM  

NKURyan: Aezetyr: - Picard S2 had some very good scenes mixed in with a lot of inconsistency and some unfiltered WTF. For example, I loved seeing Wesley/Traveler at the end, but making Kore a Traveler was a logical disconnect that wicked failed for me. Would have made so much more sense if it were Soji. Either way we lose Isa Briones next (final) season.

I'm just some random dude on the internet and I don't watch a ton of TV (generally watch through a series or two at a time), but Picard S2 was far and away the worst thing I saw on TV this year. I paid $1/month to watch it and it still feels like I overpaid. I've seen a few people stick up for it but man... I really hated it. To each their own, though.

Luckily Strange New Worlds came right after...


I'm not going to stick up for the whole thing- there was a LOT that went wrong with it. Though I'll take this over pretty much all of Enterprise any day.

I liked JL's story - we shouldn't let our past define us and our futures. We *do* need to deal with trauma, not bury it. That was a part of Rene's story as well, how she was defined by her anxiety and impostor syndrome. Those were good. To that end, Guinan was wonderful as well; both versions.

I also liked Jurati/BQ's time together as well. That all made sense to me. I did feel some identification with Jurati's story this season.

Seven/Raffi could have been better. It was just... extra, like tacked on. Speak of tacked on... Soong/Kore's stories were completely ineffectual, like Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Rios, well deciding to stay behind in the past after hanging out with gorgeous doctor and her adorable kid for a few days, after almost being disappeared by ICE is simply poor writing. If they were going to write him out for the next season, they could have done better. Drop the entire ICE thing, and hell, even get rid of hot Doctor Theresa. Keep him on the Stargazer as a bridge from the future to the past with Elnor. At the end, they can fly off and have adventures. A Stargazer series with them, Seven, Soji (who apparently is an ambassador... somehow?), and hell even Raffi (who I do agree is just not great) would be kinda fun!
 
2022-06-23 6:00:23 PM  

madgonad: Aezetyr: - Didn't see the UK version of Ghosts, only the US version. All but a couple of the characters are very fun, plus Rose McIver is crazy hot.

The UK original is good. I think I slightly favor the US version, which is a rare thing for British imports. The UK version is both similar and different. You can catch it on HBOMax. When the next season of Westworld comes out you can catch them both if you are an on/off streamer like me.


Ahh, yes... that is true. Westworld S4 starts this Sunday. That most recent trailer has me kinda hyped up. S3 was disappointing to say the least.
 
2022-06-23 6:59:02 PM  

madgonad: LucasLuminaro: Severance is the only one of those I saw and I loved it.

Same.

I'm still a big fan of The Witcher, The Orville, Resident Alien, Only Murders in the Building, The Nevers, The Great, Upload, The Boys, Stranger Things, and both versions of Ghosts.

Lower Decks is good as is Mandalorian

I'm on the fence with Wheel of Time, God's Favorite Idiot, From and SNW (which is getting better over time, the first episode sucked).

I'm disappointed in Foundation, Raised by Wolves, and Boba Fett

I wish they would bring back Santa Clarita Diet...


For me

Series I like:
Peacemaker, The Witcher, The Umbrella Academy, Severance, Ted Lasso, Arcane, The Offer, Winning Time, The Morning Show, The Mandalorian, Halo, Physical, The Boys, The Outlaws, Cobra Kai, Castlevania, Stranger Things, Squid Game, Strange New Worlds

Series I don't like / have stopped watching:
Westworld, Raised by Wolves, WandaVision, Loki, What if, Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Captain Falcon, Boba Fett, Obi Wan Kenobi, Wild Horses, The Serpent of Essox, The Afterparty, 7 Deadly Sins, The Woman in the House...., Our Flag Means Death

Off the top of my head lol
 
2022-06-23 7:12:19 PM  

Mugato: Unsung_Hero: Tr0mBoNe: Strange New Worlds is good. It's my Number One.

It is now the best Trek - arguably the best Trek since the original (adjusting for the times, obviously TOS would be laughed off the air if it launched its first run today).  Sadly for Trek, Orville had recently held that honor.

It's surprisingly good but it's still no DS9. But after Picard and Discovery, it's a breathe of fresh air.

/but yeah, The Orville is better


Gotta disagree there. The Orville is fine (and has gotten better in S3), but ST:SNW easily bests it and already seems to be running neck-and-neck with typical ST:TNG episodes at its prime (i.e., seasons 3-6). Once it hits it stride I can easily see it producing episodes on-par with "The Inner Light", "Best Of Both Worlds", and the like.

ST:DS9 had some advantages, such as heavier serialization (i.e., more story investment from the audience), an incredible extended cast, longer seasons (though this is debatable given some of the filler like "Profit and Lace"). 20+ yeas of nostalgia also helps.
 
2022-06-23 7:20:26 PM  

spiralscratch: Gotta disagree there. The Orville is fine (and has gotten better in S3), but ST:SNW easily bests it and already seems to be running neck-and-neck with typical ST:TNG episodes at its prime (i.e., seasons 3-6). Once it hits it stride I can easily see it producing episodes on-par with "The Inner Light", "Best Of Both Worlds", and the like.


Once it hits its stride?  TNG took a year to be less than awkward.  SNW was solid right out of the gate.  Impressively so, I thought.  I could do without some of the ST tropes they're using... but they're ST tropes, you can't dump the energy beings and psychic powers and still have 'trek'.

I've come to realize my main issue with Orville is that it's sterile in feel.  Everything looks perfectly clean and organized and new unless it was blown up within the last minute or so of screen time.  The worlds they visit almost seem to stop existing more than a few feet away from the leads, with no thought put into anything that isn't directly related to a line of dialogue.  It even seems to apply to the ambient sound and the voice tracks... like you're watching a video game cut scene instead of a TV show.

And recently they've been doing a lot of swelling epic music and extended shots that are obviously supposed to impress you... but Star Trek took a decade from its original launch before that kind of thing sold.  Orville's on season 3 and hasn't had a long absence to make the heart grow fonder.  These shots haven't been 'earned'.

Still like it, still watch it... still have some nits to pick with it.
 
2022-06-23 7:43:08 PM  

spiralscratch: Gotta disagree there. The Orville is fine (and has gotten better in S3), but ST:SNW easily bests it and already seems to be running neck-and-neck with typical ST:TNG episodes at its prime (i.e., seasons 3-6).


I guess I like the characters more in The Orville. Pike is cool but no one else really stands out in SNW. Everyone just seems sort of generic. And of course the guy playing Spock is just another guy playing Nimoy playing Spock.
 
2022-06-23 8:15:09 PM  

Unsung_Hero: spiralscratch: Gotta disagree there. The Orville is fine (and has gotten better in S3), but ST:SNW easily bests it and already seems to be running neck-and-neck with typical ST:TNG episodes at its prime (i.e., seasons 3-6). Once it hits it stride I can easily see it producing episodes on-par with "The Inner Light", "Best Of Both Worlds", and the like.

Once it hits its stride?  TNG took a year to be less than awkward.  SNW was solid right out of the gate.  Impressively so, I thought.  I could do without some of the ST tropes they're using... but they're ST tropes, you can't dump the energy beings and psychic powers and still have 'trek'.


Well, it's all relative. SNW started very strong to start compared to TNG and the others of that era. I'd expect that the actors and writers spent the entire first season getting a feel for their characters and each other, and will take what they learned into the next and be better for it. It wasn't any kind of knock on SNW.
 
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