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(God's Spies)   TV cops solve crimes. Real cops, not so much   (neuburger.substack.com) divider line
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2022-06-22 10:45:56 AM  
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/ Obligatory
 
2022-06-22 10:48:09 AM  
This is obviously due to police being dangerously underfunded and scared to do their jobs because of potential accountability if they step one foot out of line.
 
2022-06-22 10:48:27 AM  
Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...
 
2022-06-22 10:52:04 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...


Pretty soon we're going to be told that that's not their job, either.
 
2022-06-22 10:55:09 AM  
Cops will give you whatever metric they are asked to give.

And the metric is very rarely solving crimes.
 
2022-06-22 11:47:09 AM  
This is the problem I have with the over two trillion streaming cop shows. I don't blame the foreign shows so much, their cops are probably very smart and competent, but the American shows are all a lie.
 
2022-06-22 1:07:28 PM  
Quick!  Thro them more money!!
 
2022-06-22 1:08:41 PM  
How effective are real cops? Are you counting if they're allowed to beat a confession out of someone?
 
2022-06-22 1:09:04 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...


They'd prefer you fill that out online though, so no one has to take a statement.
 
2022-06-22 1:11:54 PM  
One of the things I noticed about visiting Amsterdam was I didn't see a cop car the first 6 days I was there. Also, the citizens were far less obese.
 
2022-06-22 1:12:16 PM  
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2022-06-22 1:12:23 PM  
T V cops ride on the hood of cars .. Real cops , not so much ..
 
2022-06-22 1:13:18 PM  
TV cops probably arent white supremacists.  real cops? not so much
 
2022-06-22 1:14:10 PM  
the cops in this country are there to primarily protect the property of the corporations and the wealthy.  the rest is just theater.
 
2022-06-22 1:15:04 PM  
Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

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In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).
 
2022-06-22 1:15:04 PM  

Lambskincoat: This is the problem I have with the over two trillion streaming cop shows. I don't blame the foreign shows so much, their cops are probably very smart and competent, but the American shows are all a lie.


The Shield was an accurate cop show in that it showed corruption as an inevitability.
 
2022-06-22 1:16:07 PM  

king of vegas: One of the things I noticed about visiting Amsterdam was I didn't see a cop car the first 6 days I was there. Also, the citizens were far less obese.


they exist. they are equally useles.
 
2022-06-22 1:16:12 PM  
We pay taxes to fund a private security force to protect the persons, goods, and money of people and corporations that pay no taxes. It's a wild system where people pay to have the boot on their neck
 
2022-06-22 1:16:19 PM  
Just watch a few hours of true-crime content and count the number of times that victims played by the rules and went to the authorities to report stalking or harassment only to be told "we can't do anything" then ending up being assaulted, raped, murdered, etc. anyway. I'd say make a drinking game out of it but I only want to be responsible for nuking my own liver.
 
2022-06-22 1:17:00 PM  
Yeah we know this, they wont go all CSI to find the murderer of some poor person, they might just grab a person and blame them and force a confession out of them or just let it go unsolved while they flex around intimidating people and banging badge bunnies.
It was funny seems like the second I became a teenager the cops just started being dicks to you and blame you for anything. Me and my brother got pulled over by a cop while we were on our bikes and they were trying to blame us for some kids shooting out lights with a slingshot. Just trying to grab some kids and scare them into confessing, glad my brother was used to dealing with dick cops by now and listened to the lawyers in the family.
I also remember when a bunch of cars on our street got broken into and everyone called the cops and they acted like it was a farking hassle to come do their jobs, yes we need your worthless ass here so we can get a police report for our insurance moron.
 
2022-06-22 1:18:09 PM  
Tax funded asset protection for the wealthy.
 
2022-06-22 1:18:38 PM  
The people who solve crimes work in labs now. The Police are just their overpriced Task Rabbit.
 
2022-06-22 1:19:18 PM  
Most cops view Denzel's character as the good guy in Training Day
 
2022-06-22 1:20:03 PM  

TheAugurofDunlain: The people who solve crimes work in labs now. The Police are just their overpriced Task Rabbit.


The people who are against the "defund the police" policy idea will never understand this. And that's deliberate, because ultimately they like the police harassing, beating, and murdering those people.
 
2022-06-22 1:20:35 PM  
Back in the Hayes Code informally adopted by Hollywood in the 30s and 40s, criminals had to come to a bad end by the end of the film, dead or in jail.

The new informal code is that cops solve crimes effectively. Almost all cop shows adopt this. The Wire stands out as more realistic: most cops solve barriers to their overtime. Hell, Mcnulty is a loose cannon because he actually wants to put gangsters and smugglers in jail instead of just going through the motions and filing meaningless paperwork.
 
2022-06-22 1:20:52 PM  
Geez, going through this thread you'd get the idea that the police are somewhat unpopular.
 
2022-06-22 1:21:10 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: Sin_City_Superhero: Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...

Pretty soon we're going to be told that that's not their job, either.


Might get a paper cut.
Spineless fascists.
 
2022-06-22 1:21:24 PM  

Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).


Given the number of people who are either 1) released later when it's revealed that they were imprisoned under false pretense for a murder they didn't commit, or 2) exonerated after their deaths, bragging about arrest numbers is a really stupid thing to do.
 
2022-06-22 1:21:48 PM  
Podcasts and book authors do a better job of solving crimes, and for free.

/Only slightly joking about that.
 
2022-06-22 1:22:40 PM  

Geotpf: And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:


Less than four percent of rapes.

I desire to commit violence.
 
2022-06-22 1:22:53 PM  

extrafancy: Sin_City_Superhero: Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...

They'd prefer you fill that out online though, so no one has to take a statement.


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2022-06-22 1:23:06 PM  

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If my garbage man only picked up my trash 18% of the time and occasionally shot my dog I'd be wanting my money back too. You must be different.
 
2022-06-22 1:23:46 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Cops will give  you a police report that you can submit to your insurance company, so there's that...


When getting questioned for jury duty, remind the judge of this when she asks what would you do if someone broke into your house.
 
2022-06-22 1:24:11 PM  
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2022-06-22 1:24:34 PM  

Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).


You supported the Jan. 6th riots.
You can go stuff it, mate.
F*cking Farkdotcom posers out in force today.
 
2022-06-22 1:24:56 PM  
Seattle police stopped investigating new adult sexual assaults this year, memo shows

Currently, the sexual assault unit has five detectives to respond to sexual assault and child abuse reports for the entire city, which has had 225 sex offenses reported so far this year, according to the department's crime data.

Yet other units that don't investigate violent crime have more staff.

The department's Alternative Response Team - the unit that responds to homeless encampment removals - is now staffed by twice the number of officers on the sexual assault unit after an additional seven patrol officers were added to the unit this year. The department's general investigations unit, which investigates property crime, has 12 detectives. Far more property crimes are reported to Seattle police each year than sexual assault, but they are simpler to investigate.

"When you have businesses that are the single biggest loss leaders in the country telling you, 'We are going to close our businesses and leave the city of Seattle' if we don't do something about the crime, we have a responsibility as a department to try to do what we can do to support them with policing," Nollette said.
 
2022-06-22 1:24:58 PM  

Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).


Murder is the easiest crime to solve because most murders involve someone the victim knew.  You don't get that same easy head start with most other crimes.

The other crimes commited against strangers tells us more about the job cops do solving crimes.
 
2022-06-22 1:25:07 PM  
Next you are going to tell me that Sponge Bob is not an accurate representation of life at the bottom of the sea.
 
2022-06-22 1:27:12 PM  
so weird. maybe if we give the cops *even more* money they will stop not doing their jobs pic.twitter.com/93K2gyaEkh


- ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) April 14, 2022



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Nordic murder clearance rates, 2019:

🇸🇪 83 percent
🇩🇰 97 percent
🇳🇴 97 percent
🇫🇮 99 percent
🇮🇸 100 percent https://t.co/NwGwjkpNY2


- ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) April 14, 2022
 
2022-06-22 1:28:01 PM  
Interesting question.  Let's ask Uvalde.
 
2022-06-22 1:28:05 PM  
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2022-06-22 1:29:39 PM  
I read this in 2020 and it is a great book. I assume from this thread I am not the only one. Vitale also goes into the flaw of using clearance rates as a measure.

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2022-06-22 1:30:30 PM  
People should have been asking "what the hell are we paying you for?" of police before Uvalde.  But now I think they really are coming to understand the underlying point.  If this was a company you were doing business with, you'd find someone else.
 
2022-06-22 1:31:07 PM  

Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).


Maybe those were a result of DNA technology breathing new life into cold cases?

And while the notable increase in arrests for aggravated battery is good, the collapse of arrests for sexual assault is absolutely shameful.
 
2022-06-22 1:32:40 PM  
Yup, all cops are bad. Because of article.

I love the sheer simplicity of our society.
 
2022-06-22 1:32:46 PM  
The cops don't need you and man, they expect the same.
 
2022-06-22 1:33:57 PM  

Troy McClure: Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).

Murder is the easiest crime to solve because most murders involve someone the victim knew.  You don't get that same easy head start with most other crimes.

The other crimes commited against strangers tells us more about the job cops do solving crimes.


OJ aside, a vast amount of murders aren't committed by evil masterminds leaving delicious red herring clues for police to work through. It's mostly some person running on adrenaline and emotion who don't have the wherewithal to cover up their tracks.
 
2022-06-22 1:34:02 PM  

Geotpf: Most TV cops mostly solve murders.

This is where detectives' manpower is concentrated in the real world as well.

And, um, from that standpoint, they seem to do an excellent job, even using this anti-cop source:

[substackcdn.com image 721x581]In 1995 and 1998 the cops did so well they arrested more than one person per murder (somehow; I guess many murders were committed by groups (?)).  Every other year they arrested somebody in at least 78% of cases.

Now, getting an actual conviction isn't the cops department; that's the DA's job.  But by using this anti-cop's own stats, he proved the exact opposite of his point (for the worst type of crime, namely murder).


It's not exactly fair to push the blame for a 50% conviction rate onto the DA's office. It sounds like cops are arresting twice as many people as they need to.
 
2022-06-22 1:34:22 PM  

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That's good. The Wire really had talented writers.

It reminds me of a line I heard on Hightown on Starz yesterday. A guy is going to his ex/baby mama's family thing. His ex tells him "Stay away from my mother. She thought you were a fark-up even before you started farking up."
 
2022-06-22 1:34:28 PM  
For the most part, cops are just Civil Secretaries, documenting losses for insurance companies.  Change my mind.

Oh, and they write tickets so towns can make money.
 
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