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2022-06-22 11:00:51 AM  
We need to follow suit.
 
2022-06-22 11:07:23 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


Have a nice day smiley face first.
 
2022-06-22 11:07:33 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


I'd rather it be easy to spot people to avoid.
 
2022-06-22 11:08:34 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


Nah. The swastika needs to be reclaimed. I think having the LGBTQ+ crowd have a rainbow colored one would be great.
 
2022-06-22 11:09:06 AM  

CoonAce: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

Have a nice day smiley face first.


Someone photoshop a Pirate Flag with a smiley-face in place of a skull and a swastika for crossbones.
 
2022-06-22 11:09:36 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


I'm a Jew, and I strongly disagree on 1A grounds. Moreover, because Americans hate being told what to do, it would cause people otherwise uninclined to fly the swastika, to do so in protest.
 
2022-06-22 11:10:00 AM  
They'll just switch to civil war flags like the trash in Germany does.
 
2022-06-22 11:13:23 AM  

hershy799: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

I'm a Jew, and I strongly disagree on 1A grounds. Moreover, because Americans hate being told what to do, it would cause people otherwise uninclined to fly the swastika, to do so in protest.


The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact, nor is it license for anarchy.
 
2022-06-22 11:16:29 AM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: CoonAce: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

Have a nice day smiley face first.

Someone photoshop a Pirate Flag with a smiley-face in place of a skull and a swastika for crossbones.


There's a super old school outlaw biker tattoo flash of Mickey Mouse in the classic pose but with a swastika for his face.
 
2022-06-22 11:19:40 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: The swastika needs to be reclaimed.


By the people who had it first, yes.
 
2022-06-22 11:19:54 AM  
Cute, subby.  Cute.
 
2022-06-22 11:20:39 AM  
I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.
 
2022-06-22 11:22:37 AM  

Zik-Zak: hoodiowithtudio: The swastika needs to be reclaimed.

By the people who had it first, yes.


The emblem was fairly ubiquitous by the time the Germans adopted it.
 
2022-06-22 11:24:19 AM  
It was either that or ban Australia's favorite food, Wienerschnitzel.
 
2022-06-22 11:26:58 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.


It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?
 
2022-06-22 11:26:59 AM  

CoonAce: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

Have a nice day smiley face first.


Always makes me think of this

GEORGE CARLIN - 1982 - "Have A Nice Day"
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2022-06-22 11:30:59 AM  

hershy799: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

I'm a Jew, and I strongly disagree on 1A grounds. Moreover, because Americans hate being told what to do, it would cause people otherwise uninclined to fly the swastika, to do so in protest.


I think they'd pretty much have to be at least a little bit inclined, to run that flag up the pole. I mean, how many moderate Nazis do you know? I'm trying to picture it now: "Y'know, Bob, for all Hitler's faults, there is one positive thing you have to say about him: he killed Hitler."
 
2022-06-22 11:32:12 AM  
Hate is not SPEECH!
 
2022-06-22 11:37:03 AM  

waxbeans: Hate is not SPEECH!


Did you tip your fedora after posting this?
 
2022-06-22 11:37:11 AM  

mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?


Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?
 
2022-06-22 11:38:07 AM  
The article has a picture of an anti-nazi protest with banners that have swastika within the circle-with-a-slash, in what is clearly an anti-Nazi message.

Under the new law, that banner is outlawed as well.

And that iscone reason why I don't like laws prohibiting free speech.  Because you wind up limiting other speech unintentionally.
 
2022-06-22 11:43:15 AM  

NM Volunteer: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?


Because what is "abhorrent" is subjective and subject to change.  This can be used as a political weapon and there's nothing stopping others from turning it back on you when the political climate shifts.

Does this really have to be explained to people?
 
2022-06-22 11:43:31 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


I strongly disagree.
I want Republicans labeled clearly for everyone to see.
 
2022-06-22 11:45:12 AM  

CoonAce: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

Have a nice day smiley face first.


How about both?

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2022-06-22 11:48:32 AM  
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2022-06-22 11:50:42 AM  
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2022-06-22 11:54:49 AM  

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So in order to stop fascism you must become the fascist yourself? Very intedesting...
 
2022-06-22 11:55:33 AM  

vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.


How would you know who to punch?
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2022-06-22 11:56:11 AM  
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2022-06-22 11:58:43 AM  

NM Volunteer: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?



Because you're fighting for your right to say this.  And my right to say you're wrong.  Do you really want the government in the business of deciding what ideas are abhorrent?  The right is already passing (unconstitutional) laws prohibiting speech that promotes social justice and equality.  There's no paradigm where we can ban what you and I think is abhorrent, but prevent them from banning what they don't like.
 
2022-06-22 12:01:03 PM  

NM Volunteer: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?


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Let them have their swastikas.
 
2022-06-22 12:14:41 PM  

whidbey: CoonAce: vudukungfu: We need to follow suit.

Have a nice day smiley face first.

How about both?

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I support banning Jonah Goldberg.
 
2022-06-22 12:16:57 PM  

Krieghund: The article has a picture of an anti-nazi protest with banners that have swastika within the circle-with-a-slash, in what is clearly an anti-Nazi message.

Under the new law, that banner is outlawed as well.

And that iscone reason why I don't like laws prohibiting free speech.  Because you wind up limiting other speech unintentionally.


We already have limits on free speech, and most of them are very sensible. Death threats can still get you in trouble. So can false accusations and slander. And yes, hate speech can get you arrested as well depending on where you're at and how far you take it. And that's just basic law. Employers can curtail not just your speech but your attitude, and they're perfectly within their rights to fire you if you don't comply.

Freedom of speech is one of our most misunderstood and abused rights, and it doesn't allow you to say or display absolutely anything you want anywhere you want. If it's in society's best interests to shut you up, society can do that, and that's okay.
 
2022-06-22 12:26:47 PM  

pearls before swine: NM Volunteer: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?


Because you're fighting for your right to say this.  And my right to say you're wrong.  Do you really want the government in the business of deciding what ideas are abhorrent?  The right is already passing (unconstitutional) laws prohibiting speech that promotes social justice and equality.  There's no paradigm where we can ban what you and I think is abhorrent, but prevent them from banning what they don't like.


Handle checks out.
 
2022-06-22 12:26:49 PM  
Already OBE in America where the Swastika has been replaced by the Elephant and the "Vote Trump" banner.
 
2022-06-22 12:27:27 PM  

mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?


I got news for you, but that's a quote from Voltaire and was NEVER a law.
 
2022-06-22 12:36:02 PM  
I'm not really on board with this. As a couple of other commenters have pointed out, the Narzis didn't have a monopoly on use of the swastika. In particular, south and southeast Asians still use it in religious symbolism. Proportionately, there are almost twice as many Australians with Asian heritage (~10%) than there are Americans with Asian heritage (~6%). But Australia generally treats Asia the way the US treats Central and South America - as nations of undesirable invaders who aren't "really Australian" and don't deserve recognition or rights. So there's two things going on here:

a) Australia has a racism problem, and also, for many decades was the country with the highest ratio of Holocaust survivors in its Jewish population (largely because there weren't really a lot of Jews in Australia before WWII). So they have reasons to suppress the swastika.

b) Part of Australia's racism problem is its recurring contempt for its Asian population, to whom the swastika can be important for different reasons. Banning it is yet another way to say that they're a segment of the population whose needs just don't matter that much.
 
2022-06-22 12:37:11 PM  

whidbey: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

I got news for you, but that's a quote from Voltaire and was NEVER a law.


I thought it was Pres. Josiah Bartlett.
 
2022-06-22 12:37:29 PM  
Submiter person: You made me laugh out loud, spelled out. A genuine guffaw.

Nominate for Headline of the Year.
 
2022-06-22 12:45:43 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: NM Volunteer: mr0x: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've changed my mind on "driving this stuff underground doesn't help". What we've seen over the past few years is that giving intolerance, hate, and conspiracy theories the light of day allows them to proliferate. Allowing this stuff to spread is poison for society.

While they say the best disinfectant is sunlight, the truth is that bleach works better, faster, and doesn't allow mold to spread its spores.

It used to be, "I might not agree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" but now has gone to this.

What happened?

Isn't freedom of speech supposed to the basis of our society?

Those people who say abhorrent things won't hesitate to shoot up a school or a grocery store if given a chance.  Why should I fight to the death to protect their right to say abhorrent things, when they would not even bat an eye at shooting me?

Because what is "abhorrent" is subjective and subject to change.  This can be used as a political weapon and there's nothing stopping others from turning it back on you when the political climate shifts.

Does this really have to be explained to people?


Yes it does, but they wont change their mind.  They'll just keep believing it will only affect "those people" and never what they say.  First they came for the communists and all that.
 
2022-06-22 12:54:37 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: Nah. The swastika needs to be reclaimed.


If so, back to the original owners... by many centuries.

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2022-06-22 1:04:30 PM  

Krieghund: The article has a picture of an anti-nazi protest with banners that have swastika within the circle-with-a-slash, in what is clearly an anti-Nazi message.

Under the new law, that banner is outlawed as well.

And that is one reason why I don't like laws prohibiting free speech.  Because you wind up limiting other speech unintentionally.


No
"There are exemptions for showing the symbol in historical, educational and artistic contexts. It can also be used in Hindu, Buddhist and Jain religious contexts - as it has been for millennia.
People will be prosecuted only if they defy a first request to remove the symbol."
 
2022-06-22 1:06:48 PM  
There is a fundamental difference between political ideologies which have a philosophy, a set of ideas behind them, and fascism, which does not have any cohesive ideology. Fascists do not care about ideas or truth - everything they say is simply calculated to maximize their leaders' hold on power, generally either by tell their idiot followers what the current groupthink talking points are, or to intimidate their opposition. Truth doesn't enter into it. Sartre and Orwell had it right. You can't have a productive debate with a group whose only goals are to end all legitimate debate.

The problem is that there are too many morons who care more about being part of the "in group" than they care about truth or justice. They never paid attention to history, and they don't really care if their leaders' scapegoat group get thrown into ovens. (There is always a scapegoat group, often Jews or immigrants).

American democracy is balanced on the edge of this knife. Maybe the modern fascist movement will fall. Or maybe American democracy will. Too bad so many are willing to take the chance.
 
2022-06-22 1:22:20 PM  

Krieghund: The article has a picture of an anti-nazi protest with banners that have swastika within the circle-with-a-slash, in what is clearly an anti-Nazi message.

Under the new law, that banner is outlawed as well.

And that iscone reason why I don't like laws prohibiting free speech.  Because you wind up limiting other speech unintentionally.


In the picture IN MEL is clearly in bold.  What are they trying to secretly tell us.  Inside Mel Gibson, the chef from Alice?
 
2022-06-22 1:29:41 PM  
Has anyone dropped the truth bomb on this thread - "Akshually the swastika is not just for Nazis"?

Gosh, who knew.

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2022-06-22 1:39:50 PM  

jaytkay: Has anyone dropped the truth bomb on this thread - "Akshually the swastika is not just for Nazis"?

Gosh, who knew.

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Well it's not. Hitler and his scum appropriated it, just like some of his modern day scum are trying to appropriate Norse runes. Nazis aren't known for their wit or imagination.

It's not surprising that we'd want to ban it in the West, where we predominantly know it for its later horrific uses, but it won't kill anyone to also understand that in the East, it still holds its ancient meaning as a positive symbol. It might even help stop you from getting all offended and making an ass of yourself if you ever visit a traditional Hindu temple.
 
2022-06-22 1:51:20 PM  
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Hogan's Heroes reruns going to be bit problematic.
 
2022-06-22 1:52:45 PM  

stuffy: [th.bing.com image 462x355]
Hogan's Heroes reruns going to be bit problematic.


The old sitcom with the wacky lovable Nazis? It was always problematic.
 
2022-06-22 2:01:17 PM  
Thought Hitler was born in Austria.
 
2022-06-22 2:09:22 PM  

EdgeRunner: stuffy: [th.bing.com image 462x355]
Hogan's Heroes reruns going to be bit problematic.

The old sitcom with the wacky lovable Nazis? It was always problematic.


It was a different time but the nazis were played as buffons and always lost.
 
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