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(Axios)   We still don't know what caused the Surfside Condos to collapse   (axios.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Real estate, Federal Bureau of Investigation, big picture, 12-story condominium building, Real property, State of play, Condominium, federal agency  
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2022-06-22 8:41:22 AM  
I'm sticking with gravity.
 
2022-06-22 8:48:18 AM  
Looks like a scam. Sounds like a scam. Sucks down money like a scam.
Oh, it is "invasive  testing". It is Florida.

OK then, forget it, Jake.
 
2022-06-22 8:57:08 AM  
Take y'alls time. Rather have a slow investigation that finds the truth than a quick one that does not.
 
2022-06-22 9:02:20 AM  
The people wondering about liability need look nowhere else but a mirror.
 
2022-06-22 9:04:03 AM  
Ever meet a Florida Building Inspector?

I rest my case your honor.
 
2022-06-22 9:06:26 AM  
It's Florida, we never will.
 
2022-06-22 9:16:26 AM  
UFO's
 
2022-06-22 9:17:12 AM  
Hank Scorpio?
 
2022-06-22 10:19:53 AM  
Besides shoddy building materials, neglectful maintenance and being seaside? It's unfathomable.
 
2022-06-22 10:21:46 AM  
Built on a giant sandbar that makes up America's wang?
 
2022-06-22 10:25:27 AM  
The condo became sentient, realized it was living in Florida the collapsed in despair?
 
2022-06-22 10:26:27 AM  
Kinda gotta go with, "Water," on this one.
 
2022-06-22 10:27:03 AM  
Yes we do.

Here's Cause Of Miami Condo Collapse Champlain Condo Towers, Surfside
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Poor design.  Lack of maintenance.  Water collecting and leaking through the structure for decades.  He pinpoints the exact pillar that failed first and the planter that was associated with it.

This video was published like a year ago.  The guy has a series of videos analyzing info as it was released.
 
2022-06-22 10:29:03 AM  

OdradekRex: I'm sticking with gravity.


9.8 N/kg is a real drag.
 
2022-06-22 10:31:37 AM  
It realized it lived in Florida and took the easy way out?
 
2022-06-22 10:34:09 AM  
DNRTFA, but really?

6/26/21:

Engineers noted design flaws and failing waterproofing that would lead to "exponential damage" about 990 days before much of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex collapsed, documents released late Friday night show.
A letter to the condominium association's treasurer on Oct. 8, 2018, included pages of recommended repairs. One warned of failed waterproofing causing "major structural damage" on a concrete slab over a garage.
"It looks like (inspectors) may not have been able to examine structural elements in other parts of the building," Schlesinger said. "There were probably similar water problems elsewhere."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/26/miami-condo-collapse-inspection-reports-concrete-deterioration-surfside/5355975001/
 
2022-06-22 10:34:48 AM  

snocone: Looks like a scam. Sounds like a scam. Sucks down money like a scam.
Oh, it is "invasive  testing". It is Florida.

OK then, forget it, Jake.


This is the phase where the insurance companies are already paying out and looking for whom to countersue.

We know why the towers collapsed. A column or two failed on the pool deck, leading to a progressive failure which dropped the support columns under the tower as they overloaded, and the tower fell.

But why did those columns fail? Bad concrete? Sue the concrete supplier. Bad rebar? Sue the rebar supplier. Bad design? Sue the architect. Bad upkeep? Sue the building management.

Then those firms will do the same thing. Why as the concrete bad? Bad cement? Sue the cement supplier, and so forth. Did the building management hire inspectors who failed to notice the building issue? Sue the inspectors.

So, the insurance companies who are paying want to know who they can countersue, so they're tearing apart what's left looking for construction flaws.

\ littler fleas, ad infinitum.
 
2022-06-22 10:35:31 AM  
And they're planning on building new condos on the site?!?   JFC....
 
2022-06-22 10:38:49 AM  
So, wait, it wasn't George Soros or some groomers? Florida has changed.
 
2022-06-22 10:39:44 AM  
Did anyone tell them that it's daft to build a condo in a swamp?
 
2022-06-22 10:42:47 AM  
I'm no structural engineer, but building a 12 story building on a farking swamp is probably a really good place to start your assumptions.
 
2022-06-22 10:43:22 AM  
Still kind of weirded out that for weeks they called the tenants "missing". 81 missing residents, 4 dead... Next day, 79 missing residents, 6 dead. After three weeks of downplaying how many died they finally published an earnest death count.

Like, you know where they are, they're under a 60 ton heap of rubble. They're not lost. They didn't run away.
 
2022-06-22 10:45:45 AM  
If you've ever lived next to a high rise being built, you are probably amazed the building you live in hasn't fallen down from the vibration, even with no blasting.
 
2022-06-22 10:46:03 AM  
Let's see....the name Surfside wouldn't have anything to do with it?


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2022-06-22 10:46:33 AM  

lincoln65: Still kind of weirded out that for weeks they called the tenants "missing". 81 missing residents, 4 dead... Next day, 79 missing residents, 6 dead. After three weeks of downplaying how many died they finally published an earnest death count.

Like, you know where they are, they're under a 60 ton heap of rubble. They're not lost. They didn't run away.


They were sleeping
 
2022-06-22 10:46:59 AM  
Gravity seen shuffling inconsistently, staring at toes

/you win again, Gravity!
 
2022-06-22 10:48:13 AM  
Probably not entirely one thing. Planter, related water damage, and neglectful maintenance/inspection are more than half the story, so that's the cause.  But other things add in.  Columns in an underground parking garage?  I'm sure every one of them was love-tapped by a car a couple times a year.  One other interesting contributing factor (for such buildings in general) may be dead weight.  In 1980, the condos were built with particle-board, formica and carpet.  By 2022, everyone individually upgraded their kitchens and bathrooms with slab granite, floor to ceiling.  That adds up.
 
2022-06-22 10:49:03 AM  

Aetre: Kinda gotta go with, "Water," on this one.


The spelling damage in previous inspection videos was kinda obvious. The load bearing structures became unsound due to decades of rust which never sleeps, end of story.
 
2022-06-22 10:50:15 AM  
This just means that someone either bribed or blackmailed the investigation into silence.
 
2022-06-22 10:50:21 AM  

thespindrifter: Aetre: Kinda gotta go with, "Water," on this one.

The spelling damage in previous inspection videos was kinda obvious. The load bearing structures became unsound due to decades of rust which never sleeps, end of story.


*SPALLING. Muthafarking autocorrupt
 
2022-06-22 10:51:34 AM  

OdradekRex: I'm sticking with gravity.


I was gonna go with entropy, but that works too.
 
2022-06-22 10:51:44 AM  

thespindrifter: thespindrifter: Aetre: Kinda gotta go with, "Water," on this one.

The spelling damage in previous inspection videos was kinda obvious. The load bearing structures became unsound due to decades of rust which never sleeps, end of story.

*SPALLING. Muthafarking autocorrupt


Autocorrect = spelling damage
 
2022-06-22 10:52:18 AM  

OdradekRex: I'm sticking with gravity.


Gravity, poor construction, environmental factors which caused the degrading of structural material...just to name a few.
 
2022-06-22 10:52:48 AM  

FDR Jones: OdradekRex: I'm sticking with gravity.

I was gonna go with entropy, but that works too.


The longer you study the theory of entropy, the more it falls apart.
 
2022-06-22 10:54:31 AM  
"God's Judgement"?
 
2022-06-22 10:54:51 AM  
The surf?
 
2022-06-22 10:55:39 AM  
I keep hearing about how much better it is environmentally to live in high density housing over single family homes. Walkable neighborhoods, not dependent on cars, etc. Too bad most landlords and condo associations are so scummy and corrupt that any smart person won't consider that viable long term housing.
 
2022-06-22 10:57:49 AM  
Mothballs and old people smell?
 
2022-06-22 10:59:27 AM  
Gravity.
 
2022-06-22 10:59:45 AM  
Guessing it had something to do with building a high rise on a sandbar.
 
2022-06-22 11:00:37 AM  
Lotta good comments here where I couldn't decide between  "smart" & "funny".
I think we may need a "both" button.
 
2022-06-22 11:01:05 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Bad upkeep? Sue the building management.


The problem is that it was an elected condo board, not some outside company running it. The only people to blame for bad upkeep are the residents who consistently voted against raising the fees to perform maintenance.
In the year before the collapse multiple board members resigned and blamed certain residents' total unwillingness to pay for engineer mandated repairs and maintance.
 
2022-06-22 11:01:24 AM  

OdradekRex: I'm sticking with gravity.


It's floriduh, they don't know that gravity exists.
 
2022-06-22 11:19:14 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Bad upkeep? Sue the building management.

The problem is that it was an elected condo board, not some outside company running it. The only people to blame for bad upkeep are the residents who consistently voted against raising the fees to perform maintenance.
In the year before the collapse multiple board members resigned and blamed certain residents' total unwillingness to pay for engineer mandated repairs and maintance.


And it's probably near-impossible to sue each and every present and former resident of the condos.
 
2022-06-22 11:20:20 AM  
Fortunately for whoever is responsible, the building itself buried the evidence, so they're probably in the clear.
 
2022-06-22 11:21:25 AM  
Yes we do.  Same thing that caused the Grenfell Tower fire.
 
2022-06-22 11:22:39 AM  

smed7: Lotta good comments here where I couldn't decide between  "smart" & "funny".
I think we may need a "both" button.


Um...
 
2022-06-22 11:24:02 AM  

aaronx: smed7: Lotta good comments here where I couldn't decide between  "smart" & "funny".
I think we may need a "both" button.

Um...


You can just tap both, smed7. What we need is a passive aggressive laughter button.
 
2022-06-22 11:24:04 AM  

thespindrifter: thespindrifter: Aetre: Kinda gotta go with, "Water," on this one.

The spelling damage in previous inspection videos was kinda obvious. The load bearing structures became unsound due to decades of rust which never sleeps, end of story.

*SPALLING. Muthafarking autocorrupt


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2022-06-22 11:30:08 AM  

raerae1980: And they're planning on building new condos on the site?!?   JFC....


Totally. They should salt the earth, erect a 30ft wall, and erase the plot from Google maps.
/Or build a better building.
 
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