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2022-06-13 3:44:13 PM  
So important it had to be passed ASAP but such a pain nobody wants to implement it. Make a distinct Voter ID a real requirement and you'd see the same result. It's only needed for "those" people.
 
2022-06-13 3:55:23 PM  

edmo: So important it had to be passed ASAP but such a pain nobody wants to implement it. Make a distinct Voter ID a real requirement and you'd see the same result. It's only needed for "those" people.


seriously, every year for the past $_X years, it's always been "herp a derp de derp, REAL ID deadline is in less than a year." - uh hunh, pull the other one, it's got bells on!

for a while in the before-times, we'd get slightly worried every year, because the wife was working remotely to CA, but maybe once a month she/we would fly out there. except nothing ever came of it.

PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.
 
2022-06-13 4:19:31 PM  
I got a Real ID because my license was expiring.  And whooooo boy is it so much more real.

Y'all are suckers.
 
2022-06-13 4:21:37 PM  
I only just got my Real ID last year.  They grow up so quickly.
 
2022-06-13 6:42:11 PM  
To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either
 
2022-06-13 7:30:37 PM  
I got mine last year but that's because I moved states and needed a new ID. I had renewed my old one in 2020 but couldn't go to the DMV to get it done so I did an online renewal
 
2022-06-13 8:22:33 PM  
They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?
 
2022-06-13 8:24:23 PM  
I'm just gonna get the implant.
 
2022-06-13 8:25:35 PM  
And the best part is you can go through the increased annoying requirements each time you change states.  You'd think already having a REAL ID from another state would save you the increased documentation, but that would be too easy.  I guess it's just the price I had to pay to get out of Texas.
 
2022-06-13 8:26:19 PM  

vudukungfu: To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either


I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.

/ it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up
 
2022-06-13 8:26:29 PM  

iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?


Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.
 
2022-06-13 8:27:25 PM  

IcyBlackHand: And the best part is you can go through the increased annoying requirements each time you change states.  You'd think already having a REAL ID from another state would save you the increased documentation, but that would be too easy.  I guess it's just the price I had to pay to get out of Texas.


Whatever they charged you, it was money well spent.
 
2022-06-13 8:27:26 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I'm just gonna get the implant.


Real Talk...TSA-pre and Global Entry are the best.
 
2022-06-13 8:29:31 PM  

12349876: Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.


But I heard that Samoans are a surly bunch, wouldn't they complain more?
 
2022-06-13 8:31:01 PM  
I had mine inserted anally.  That's what they guy said he was doing, and it was at the DMV, so I figured SOP.
Same procedure for registering a trailer except I gotta tell 'em I liked it.
 
2022-06-13 8:31:57 PM  

iheartscotch: / it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up


It also seems like, if we want to be a world leader and not gradually slide into third-world status (**AHEM**-ississippi), we'd implement cradle-to-grave biometrically based ID with periodic renewals. You know, something that would be non-repudiable, difficult to falsify, so long as there's a human operator present (e.g., showing a high-resolution photograph to an iris scanner), and might actually not require to carry around a physical token, because you ARE the physical token.
But mark of the beast and all that tripe.
 
2022-06-13 8:32:47 PM  
Holding out for a multi-pass.
 
2022-06-13 8:33:23 PM  

tintar: PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.


I have yet to get Real ID on my license, and I just renewed last year. PennDOT wants me to bring an asston of documentation to prove that I'm a real human natural citizen person and not a dog (I got my license by exchanging my PR driver's license), and I don't feel like gathering any of that. Plus I have a passport, also renewed last year.
 
2022-06-13 8:34:41 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I'm just gonna get the implant.


Heh heh heh. You already did. Remember your last dentist visit?

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2022-06-13 8:34:43 PM  

iheartscotch: vudukungfu: To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either

I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.

/ it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up


Seems like a passport is a more convenient way to go.
 
2022-06-13 8:35:05 PM  

iheartscotch: vudukungfu: To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either

I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.

/ it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up


The Oregon DMV now lets to make appointments. I made one, showed up five minutes before and was out 15 mins later with my temp real ID. The place was full of people who didn't seem to know how to do this.
 
2022-06-13 8:40:32 PM  
My ID is real in

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2022-06-13 8:44:25 PM  

downstairs: I got a Real ID because my license was expiring.  And whooooo boy is it so much more real.

Y'all are suckers.


It wasn't even prompted as a possibility when I last renewed my license.
 
2022-06-13 8:51:07 PM  

iheartscotch: I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.


i had to sit in a dmv for 20 minutes, then spend 10 minutes at the counter. the humanity.


living in a competent state has perqs
 
2022-06-13 8:51:24 PM  

12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.


People born in American Samoa are not US citizens, so I don't know why they would be required to have a REAL ID.
 
2022-06-13 8:51:45 PM  
Thursday I go to the California DMV to get my handicapped parking placard. They tell me my Florida issued Real ID isn't enough, they need to see my birth certificate.
Friday I return.  And am told the Florida ID is fine, no need to see my birth certificate.
They just make up the rules as they go along
 
2022-06-13 8:52:31 PM  

SMB2811: iheartscotch: vudukungfu: To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either

I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.

/ it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up

Seems like a passport is a more convenient way to go.


I don't have a passport (I should get one at some point.  My only visit out of country was to Canada when they accepted birth certificates)... but I've heard from many people that a passport has much less requirements.  So just get that instead.  It's federal id, so it's accepted anywhere that a realid would be.

/My license was already expiring when the deadline was in 2020 and I didn't have a passport, so I figured what the hell and just got the real id.
 
2022-06-13 8:53:20 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: 12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.

People born in American Samoa are not US citizens, so I don't know why they would be required to have a REAL ID.


Um, they're a territory of the US.  So, yes they are.
 
2022-06-13 8:54:48 PM  

Zenzilla: iheartscotch: vudukungfu: To enter a federal building or fly?
Don't plan on either

I stood in line for 3 hours in '19 because we sometimes have contracts at federal facilities and flying is pretty great if you're going somewhere far away.

/ it really seems like, since all of that is data entry, you could enter it yourself, show up with proof and an e-claim ticket  and drastically speed the process up

The Oregon DMV now lets to make appointments. I made one, showed up five minutes before and was out 15 mins later with my temp real ID. The place was full of people who didn't seem to know how to do this.


Did mine here in Arizona three years ago since my license was expiring; made the appointment online, listed the documentation I would bring. Showed up, skipped the ungodly line, was out 10 minutes later with my temp ID. Was told the permanent one would arrive in the mail within 10 days; it took three. It's good for another 5 years. I was really happy with the process, but I spent so many years in the military I can't effectively judge bureaucratic incompetence.

Similar to you, the people in line at the DMV seemed to have zero clue what was going on; clipboards and pencil and paper seemed to baffle them. Granted, it's Arizona, the sun bakes your brain, and the average age seemed to be "Methuselah", but still. The DMV had been spamming everyone with emails as to the process, and urging you, cajoling you, nay, ordering you to make an online appointment.
 
2022-06-13 9:00:45 PM  
Weird. Mine was only a "pain" because I had to go in to get it. No lines, and we were out within half an hour. And now I'm done. Not sure why it was like crossing the Himalayas wearing ankle shackles for some people.
 
2022-06-13 9:03:22 PM  
This was interesting...

First they say Joe this is to standardize ID, something that needed to happen decades ago.

Then they follow with this:
"The new IDs will contain one of five small stickers, featured below..."

No... One farking sticker. ONE. You don't start to standardize something by making 5 farking versions of it. Make one. There's no reason to have 5 doffeern stickers
 
2022-06-13 9:03:41 PM  
I should have gotten it when my DL expired eariler this year, but was like fark it. So if some pencil neck TSA agent gives me shiat about it I'm going to make a scene and start shouting about my second amendment rights and shiat. And since I get good and liquored up before flying I'll have a big loud voice full of authority going for me too.
 
2022-06-13 9:03:55 PM  

Mikey1969: This was interesting...

First they say Joe this is to standardize ID, something that needed to happen decades ago.

Then they follow with this:
"The new IDs will contain one of five small stickers, featured below..."

No... One farking sticker. ONE. You don't start to standardize something by making 5 farking versions of it. Make one. There's no reason to have 5 doffeern stickers


*different

Where did that monstrosity even come from?
 
2022-06-13 9:07:36 PM  

jake3988: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: 12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.

People born in American Samoa are not US citizens, so I don't know why they would be required to have a REAL ID.

Um, they're a territory of the US.  So, yes they are.


Nope. They're "American Nationals" but not citizens. They can become citizens easily enough by just filling out some paperwork but they aren't by default.

The reasons are complicated but mostly fall back to land ownership.
 
2022-06-13 9:08:03 PM  

jake3988: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: 12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.

People born in American Samoa are not US citizens, so I don't know why they would be required to have a REAL ID.

Um, they're a territory of the US.  So, yes they are.


Actually they aren't, thanks to some weird bullshiat agreement.

https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/nationals-but-not-citizens-how-the-u-s-denies-citizenship-to-american-samoans

Hopefully this changes...
 
2022-06-13 9:08:44 PM  

aremmes: tintar: PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.

I have yet to get Real ID on my license, and I just renewed last year. PennDOT wants me to bring an asston of documentation to prove that I'm a real human natural citizen person and not a dog (I got my license by exchanging my PR driver's license), and I don't feel like gathering any of that. Plus I have a passport, also renewed last year.


If it's so damn important for us to have real id, the government should pay for it
 
2022-06-13 9:21:19 PM  
The hilarious going is that I went through the trouble to get an Enhanced Driver's License in Washington State back in 2017 because the TSA was going to start requiring compliant licenses for air travel that fall.

That license has already expired and I've had to renew it and the TSA still hasn't started enforcing the REAL ID requirement.
 
2022-06-13 9:21:32 PM  

12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.


NJ licenses used to be a total joke.  They literally just laminated a tear-off section of a form you filled out with a picture stuck in there.
 
2022-06-13 9:21:36 PM  
*hilarious thing
 
2022-06-13 9:21:55 PM  

tintar: edmo: So important it had to be passed ASAP but such a pain nobody wants to implement it. Make a distinct Voter ID a real requirement and you'd see the same result. It's only needed for "those" people.

seriously, every year for the past $_X years, it's always been "herp a derp de derp, REAL ID deadline is in less than a year." - uh hunh, pull the other one, it's got bells on!

for a while in the before-times, we'd get slightly worried every year, because the wife was working remotely to CA, but maybe once a month she/we would fly out there. except nothing ever came of it.

PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.


In Oregon, you pay extra to get a Real ID.  We vote by mail, so no problem. Literally, less than one case of fraud a year or less. The last one was a vote counter filling in contests where the voter didn't vote.  On camera, next to another vote counter.  GQP? How did you guess?
 
2022-06-13 9:23:05 PM  

guinsu: aremmes: tintar: PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.

I have yet to get Real ID on my license, and I just renewed last year. PennDOT wants me to bring an asston of documentation to prove that I'm a real human natural citizen person and not a dog (I got my license by exchanging my PR driver's license), and I don't feel like gathering any of that. Plus I have a passport, also renewed last year.

If it's so damn important for us to have real id, the government should pay for it


Mark of the Beast.
 
2022-06-13 9:32:48 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: People born in American Samoa are not US citizens


Some are.
 
2022-06-13 9:33:10 PM  
PROTIP: If you have old tickets in your hometown and moved away ... take care of it or it will mess up your license and life for a while. All the states are linked now, and handling a 20 year old ticket will require you to conference call different state DMV together to correct because one state won't release your license until the other does resulting in a Catch-22.
 
2022-06-13 9:34:02 PM  

jake3988: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: 12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.

People born in American Samoa are not US citizens, so I don't know why they would be required to have a REAL ID.

Um, they're a territory of the US.  So, yes they are.


Samoans are excluded. It is the only territory where people are typically US nationals at birth.
 
2022-06-13 9:34:50 PM  

BMFPitt: 12349876: iheartscotch: They have been extending the deadline for a decade. Why would they stop now?

Everyone except American Samoa is now complaint.  A ton of states didn't get compliant until 2018 and 2019 and New Jersey Oklahoma and Oregon didn't until 2020.

NJ licenses used to be a total joke.  They literally just laminated a tear-off section of a form you filled out with a picture stuck in there.


Yeah, I had a fake id biz in college and I used NJ templates for most IDs. I forgot about that. Thanks for the memory jog.
 
2022-06-13 9:38:01 PM  

Mikey1969: https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/nationals-but-not-citizens-how-the-u-s-denies-citizenship-to-american-samoans


"John Fitisemanu, who has lived in Utah for over two decades"

And so amazingly lazy that he can't be bothered to apply for citizenship in those 20 years of living in Utah.
 
2022-06-13 9:49:31 PM  

natazha: tintar: edmo: So important it had to be passed ASAP but such a pain nobody wants to implement it. Make a distinct Voter ID a real requirement and you'd see the same result. It's only needed for "those" people.

seriously, every year for the past $_X years, it's always been "herp a derp de derp, REAL ID deadline is in less than a year." - uh hunh, pull the other one, it's got bells on!

for a while in the before-times, we'd get slightly worried every year, because the wife was working remotely to CA, but maybe once a month she/we would fly out there. except nothing ever came of it.

PA did finally get its act together last spring, and the only reason I now have one is that my DL was expiring, and getting a "real" replacement extended the date to farking 2029 instead of 2025.

In Oregon, you pay extra to get a Real ID.  We vote by mail, so no problem. Literally, less than one case of fraud a year or less. The last one was a vote counter filling in contests where the voter didn't vote.  On camera, next to another vote counter.  GQP? How did you guess?


true, the realdoll cost me a bit more than a standard renewed license. I think I had to pay a stupid "application" fee (and then fill out forms even worse than an SF86 lol!) and then the actual fee itself was a more than a normal license.

man, voting "by mail" in Phila was a farking godsend, esp vs plague-era. the 2020 primary and general, we dropped our ballots directly at polling stations. and now for 2022 we are doing the same. (USPS seems slightly improved these days, but, much as I love the post office, I still ain't have much trust s'long as DeJoy is around.)

I cannot recall the Farker's name, but 2 years ago in PNW, their elderly mother voted by mail, and the polling office contacted them, not to reject/refuse the ballot, but simply to: "oh, her signature looks different than what we had on file?"
Farker: yeah, she's had some medical issues, she signs a bit differently now? don't you have a copy of her new DL?
elections office: oh jeez, yeah, we actually do, thank you for that, good enough for us!

I may have done a bit of embellishment/paraphrase there, but this is really how voting works, for the people. us people.
 
2022-06-13 9:52:03 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Yeah, I had a fake id biz in college and I used NJ templates for most IDs. I forgot about that. Thanks for the memory jog.


The first NJ ID I ever saw was a fake one in college, and I laughed and said they got ripped off because of how obviously fake it looked.
 
2022-06-13 9:52:30 PM  

iheartscotch: KarmicDisaster: I'm just gonna get the implant.

Real Talk...TSA-pre and Global Entry are the best.


When i was going on vacation, i woke up two hours late and had to take an uber when i was planning on taking the train to the airport. Got there with about 15 minutes to spare before boarding, got in the precheck line, and still had enough time to grab a Vodka Soda at the bar to settle my nerves from rushing around like an insane person.

That shiat's magical.
 
2022-06-13 9:53:32 PM  

tintar: true, the realdoll cost me a bit more than a standard renewed license.


I would expect so.
 
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