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(AP News)   FBI raids former US general over allegations he illegaly lobbied for a foreign government and lied to the FBI when questioned. Yes, another one. Which prompts the question of why we allow generals to work for foreign governments at all   (apnews.com) divider line
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2022-06-08 1:03:57 PM  
he went to Jared?
 
2022-06-08 1:04:48 PM  
*Misha Flynn whistles nonchalantly on his way to record another RT segment*
 
2022-06-08 3:23:01 PM  
Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?
 
2022-06-08 3:23:58 PM  
FFS. Nobody should be allowed to do that after achieving any rank beyond Major. Why are we letting former officers of ANY rank register as foreign agents? JFC.
 
2022-06-08 3:25:24 PM  

Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?


Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.
 
2022-06-08 3:25:36 PM  
So is this the guy Gym Jordan was whining about in his DON'T ARREST ME rant earlier today?
 
2022-06-08 3:26:55 PM  
Zuberi paid Allen's first-class airfare to Qatar, the affidavit said, but there's no indication the speaker's fee was paid. Allen's spokesman said previously the general was never paid a fee. It's unclear why. Some of Zuberi's past business associates have accused him of not honoring his financial commitments.

No wonder Kushner got 666 refinanced. All that daddy Trump experience.
 
2022-06-08 3:28:51 PM  

shinji3i: Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?

Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.


I've had so many copies of my fingerprints taken, so many interviews, and I'm beginning to think I could've done just about anything and still passed.

Who am I kidding, I'm a plebe in comparison. They probably would've locked me up forever in a dark cell if I had even shaded the truth a little.
 
2022-06-08 3:29:26 PM  
Do they really need the money that bad? A generals pension is pretty damn good from what I hear.
 
2022-06-08 3:29:36 PM  
It's really disgusting how these Generals view their work just as a personal career and not service to their country. Like joining the military is about acquiring skills in defense policy making and execution rather than doing something for your country.

Like just what the fark goes through your mind when you decide to take money from a foreign country to try and change US foreign policy for their benefit?

Congress really needs to pass a law to reign in people like him and those former CIA/NSA guys who were spying for middle eastern states as well.
 
2022-06-08 3:32:39 PM  
Thanks for not 'begs the question', subby.
 
2022-06-08 3:33:22 PM  
Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.
 
2022-06-08 3:35:33 PM  

shinji3i: Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?

Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.


no, they look at them. I "failed" one.

granted we should be thankful they caught me. I was a 19 year old senior in college working on a Y2K project in COBOL that smoked pot.

Compare that to someone with real intelligence that could do damage in the wrong hands.

we dodged a bullet collectively.
 
2022-06-08 3:35:41 PM  

kmgenesis23: FFS. Nobody should be allowed to do that after achieving any rank beyond Major. Why are we letting former officers of ANY rank register as foreign agents? JFC.


Harrumph *stamps foot*, if that is your position then please, pray tell me, just how should generals cash in on their connections and knowledge of our national security and political structure so that they can make millions of dollars acting against the best interests of the American people? Huh, huh?! Answer me! They can't all be defense contractors now can they? No answer eh? SMH.
 
2022-06-08 3:36:16 PM  
Interesting.  I haven't read a story about that country in a long time.

Welcome back, Qatar!
 
2022-06-08 3:37:14 PM  

inglixthemad: shinji3i: Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?

Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.

I've had so many copies of my fingerprints taken, so many interviews, and I'm beginning to think I could've done just about anything and still passed.

Who am I kidding, I'm a plebe in comparison. They probably would've locked me up forever in a dark cell if I had even shaded the truth a little.


Well the truth is at some point in the 2000s they contracted the top secret clearance checks to a private company. A friend of mine was singing their praises. because and this is a direct quote "The checks are done in days instead of months they are just so much more effective at doing them." My response was the reason the checks are done so fast is the company isn't doing them. Its simple math they mail out a survey its going to take 2 weeks to get there sit around for a week  and then take 2 weeks to get back. The interviews are going to take a week or two to do. There is absolutely zero chance the company is doing the job, cause its cheaper to not do it at all.

Then eventually Snowden blew the lid off the scandal about the private contractor not actually doing the top secret security checks. because that's how Snowden got his job.
 
2022-06-08 3:38:22 PM  

groppet: Do they really need the money that bad? A generals pension is pretty damn good from what I hear.


i rate greed as the #1 reason humanity is destined to fail.
 
2022-06-08 3:39:30 PM  
Russia loses generals. We lose generals. It's just nature's way of achieving balance.
 
2022-06-08 3:39:35 PM  
We're capitalists, literally everything is for sale.
 
2022-06-08 3:41:08 PM  

MarciusDecimus: kmgenesis23: FFS. Nobody should be allowed to do that after achieving any rank beyond Major. Why are we letting former officers of ANY rank register as foreign agents? JFC.

Harrumph *stamps foot*, if that is your position then please, pray tell me, just how should generals cash in on their connections and knowledge of our national security and political structure so that they can make millions of dollars acting against the best interests of the American people? Huh, huh?! Answer me! They can't all be defense contractors now can they? No answer eh? SMH.


Dammit, I've been found out. You're right. I was wholly bereft of any sensitivity to, or consideration for, the limited channels available for the people ostensibly keeping us safe to monetize their betrayal of oath. My
 
2022-06-08 3:42:06 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.


As a person who is tied directly into these things (and has seen way too much) and could potentially stand to benefit from the revolving door I will simply add, you did not go far enough. It should not be lobbying, it should be working for ANY industry or contractor who does business in that field if you have EVER had any use of their services in your agency. Trust me, they don't want jo-blow who had nothing to do with their area of interest.

So, for military personnel, that is lobbying that is also ANY defense contractor even if it is the company that makes the bolts that go in tanks. You want a job after retirement? Fine, go work for Walmart, teach, I am ok with teaching, heck even some consulting as long as you are not acting as an agent, or consulting for, someone who does business with your previous entity. Oh, no one will want you "skill" set then? Well, that means they never wanted your skills, they wanted your knowledge of the bureaucracy, the inside track, and your contacts.

The revolving door rules are a freaking joke and it is absolutely wrong IMHO.
 
2022-06-08 3:44:04 PM  
kmgenesis23:

The free market demands it, think of the added shareholder value.
 
2022-06-08 3:44:14 PM  
It's the Ben Franklin defense.   Ol Ben was the first registered foreign agent when he went to France a-wheelin' and a-dealin' to get them to finance our Revolution.     Are you arguing that Ben Franklin was a bad American and shouldn't've been allowed to do that?
 
2022-06-08 3:44:45 PM  

Decorus: inglixthemad: shinji3i: Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?

Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.

I've had so many copies of my fingerprints taken, so many interviews, and I'm beginning to think I could've done just about anything and still passed.

Who am I kidding, I'm a plebe in comparison. They probably would've locked me up forever in a dark cell if I had even shaded the truth a little.

Well the truth is at some point in the 2000s they contracted the top secret clearance checks to a private company. A friend of mine was singing their praises. because and this is a direct quote "The checks are done in days instead of months they are just so much more effective at doing them." My response was the reason the checks are done so fast is the company isn't doing them. Its simple math they mail out a survey its going to take 2 weeks to get there sit around for a week  and then take 2 weeks to get back. The interviews are going to take a week or two to do. There is absolutely zero chance the company is doing the job, cause its cheaper to not do it at all.

Then eventually Snowden blew the lid off the scandal about the private contractor not actually doing the top secret security checks. because that's how Snowden got his job.


No snark, you got a link on that specific story? BP is running low so a good ol fashion paid for not doing job and get away with it story would help out.
 
2022-06-08 3:45:23 PM  

Hyjamon: shinji3i: Aar1012: Do they stop doing background checks once you receive a few stars on your shoulders?

Starting to think the background checks aren't really done at all. Why did I bother doing a dozen different interviews over the years if you people weren't even looking at them.

no, they look at them. I "failed" one.

granted we should be thankful they caught me. I was a 19 year old senior in college working on a Y2K project in COBOL that smoked pot.

...

we dodged a bullet collectively.


You monster! You could have jeopardized this country with your devil lettuce!
 
2022-06-08 3:45:47 PM  
Interesting. A high school classmate of mine was at Brookings and abruptly left in 2017 right around the time this guy took over. I always wondered why she left, maybe there was a connection.
 
2022-06-08 3:45:48 PM  

kmgenesis23: MarciusDecimus: kmgenesis23: FFS. Nobody should be allowed to do that after achieving any rank beyond Major. Why are we letting former officers of ANY rank register as foreign agents? JFC.

Harrumph *stamps foot*, if that is your position then please, pray tell me, just how should generals cash in on their connections and knowledge of our national security and political structure so that they can make millions of dollars acting against the best interests of the American people? Huh, huh?! Answer me! They can't all be defense contractors now can they? No answer eh? SMH.

Dammit, I've been found out. You're right. I was wholly bereft of any sensitivity to, or consideration for, the limited channels available for the people ostensibly keeping us safe to monetize their betrayal of oath. My


Well, ok then. I am glad you finally see reason.

Sorry, I was a little gruff. It just grinds my gears when people think those who work for institutions of government, who must have the public trust, cannot profit immensely by giving insider information and opportunities to foreign nations and corporations. I mean, why else would someone get into public service?
 
2022-06-08 3:45:53 PM  
Remember this traitor and disgrace when Jim Jordan deflects about the FBI trying to cull the more brazen and offensive traitors in the Bureau.
 
2022-06-08 3:46:59 PM  

Isitoveryet: groppet: Do they really need the money that bad? A generals pension is pretty damn good from what I hear.

i rate greed as the #1 reason humanity is destined to fail.


Fail upward.
 
2022-06-08 3:48:02 PM  
He retired in 2017 and immediately went to work lobbying a foreign government he previously had business dealings with in government?  If a regular civil service person did this and went from working on say a contract on the government side then taking a job with said contractor, they would be in a world of legal hurt.  Why are these higher ups allowed to behave unethically while the regular folks have the book thrown at them?
 
2022-06-08 3:48:31 PM  
MarciusDecimus:

To gain insider information so they can profit off it.

Those who go in for the public good rarely make the news cycle locally let alone anything beyond that.
 
2022-06-08 3:49:03 PM  

MarciusDecimus: kmgenesis23: MarciusDecimus: kmgenesis23: FFS. Nobody should be allowed to do that after achieving any rank beyond Major. Why are we letting former officers of ANY rank register as foreign agents? JFC.

Harrumph *stamps foot*, if that is your position then please, pray tell me, just how should generals cash in on their connections and knowledge of our national security and political structure so that they can make millions of dollars acting against the best interests of the American people? Huh, huh?! Answer me! They can't all be defense contractors now can they? No answer eh? SMH.

Dammit, I've been found out. You're right. I was wholly bereft of any sensitivity to, or consideration for, the limited channels available for the people ostensibly keeping us safe to monetize their betrayal of oath. My

Well, ok then. I am glad you finally see reason.

Sorry, I was a little gruff. It just grinds my gears when people think those who work for institutions of government, who must have the public trust, cannot profit immensely by giving insider information and opportunities to foreign nations and corporations. I mean, why else would someone get into public service?


Oh, don't get me started on the saps who get involved with public service because they want to do some good for their communities. Where's the grift in that?
 
2022-06-08 3:49:13 PM  
senorjuanton:

Because the free market demands it for the sake of the economy.
 
2022-06-08 3:49:51 PM  
kmgenesis23:

Disillusionment and stuck just below middle management.
 
2022-06-08 3:57:44 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.


This is doubly true of the special forces soldiers. Most of those folks are adrenaline junkies, and when they aren't allowed to kill, turn to heroin and become real junkies. It's just one more thrill, once again dancing on the razor's edge.

Look at the former SF folks who went into politics: Greitens, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. They are ill-suited for politics.
 
2022-06-08 3:57:56 PM  
Why would anyone answer the FBI's questions about them? Or any law enforcement agency, for that matter? All it can do is hurt you.
 
2022-06-08 4:08:08 PM  
Damn, Qatar was only my 4th guess after Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE.
 
2022-06-08 4:08:57 PM  

indy_kid: AmbassadorBooze: Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.

This is doubly true of the special forces soldiers. Most of those folks are adrenaline junkies, and when they aren't allowed to kill, turn to heroin and become real junkies. It's just one more thrill, once again dancing on the razor's edge.

Look at the former SF folks who went into politics: Greitens, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. They are ill-suited for politics.


Desantis was a JAG lawyer for a SEAL team, not special forces by any measure.
 
2022-06-08 4:09:50 PM  
It should be at least as difficult for a former general to work for a foreign government as it is for a woman to get an abortion in the most restrictive state in the U.S.
 
2022-06-08 4:14:24 PM  

MarciusDecimus: AmbassadorBooze: Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.

As a person who is tied directly into these things (and has seen way too much) and could potentially stand to benefit from the revolving door I will simply add, you did not go far enough. It should not be lobbying, it should be working for ANY industry or contractor who does business in that field if you have EVER had any use of their services in your agency. Trust me, they don't want jo-blow who had nothing to do with their area of interest.

So, for military personnel, that is lobbying that is also ANY defense contractor even if it is the company that makes the bolts that go in tanks. You want a job after retirement? Fine, go work for Walmart, teach, I am ok with teaching, heck even some consulting as long as you are not acting as an agent, or consulting for, someone who does business with your previous entity. Oh, no one will want you "skill" set then? Well, that means they never wanted your skills, they wanted your knowledge of the bureaucracy, the inside track, and your contacts.

The revolving door rules are a freaking joke and it is absolutely wrong IMHO.


I was impreise.  Either the higher ups retire to a small farm in montana, or they continue working for the government.  If they cant get elected, they work digging ditches for the TVA.  Or they enlist in the military.  But they DO NOT get to do anything else.
 
2022-06-08 4:16:31 PM  

Isitoveryet: groppet: Do they really need the money that bad? A generals pension is pretty damn good from what I hear.

i rate greed as the #1 reason humanity is destined to fail.


We had an Air Force General who signed on with Gulf Power after his retirement to I guess soak up the extra money dripping around the edges. No clue what they needed him for other than a POC.
 
2022-06-08 4:17:49 PM  

indy_kid: AmbassadorBooze: Anybody who has worked for any part of the government should be banned from lobbying.  Especially the higher up they go.  After a certain level (county level?) A person should be retired to a small farm in montana.  They live there in seclusion until they decide to "go home".  If they dont want that they can continue working for the government.  We always need ditch diggers.

This is doubly true of the special forces soldiers. Most of those folks are adrenaline junkies, and when they aren't allowed to kill, turn to heroin and become real junkies. It's just one more thrill, once again dancing on the razor's edge.

Look at the former SF folks who went into politics: Greitens, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. They are ill-suited for politics.


On the small montana former government seclusion zone, there wont be drugs.  They will be walled in.  Only registered and vetted visitors.  And everything checked on the way in and out.  They are in seclusion until they "go home".
 
2022-06-08 4:24:15 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Why would anyone answer the FBI's questions about them? Or any law enforcement agency, for that matter? All it can do is hurt you.


I am not a lawyer, but I do know this. Sometimes, folks are in positions where they are not allowed to just refuse or they face secondary consequences. For example, if I was called to testify or give a depo or be interviewed, if I did not go AND participate, I would be fired (nice sounding isn't it, as compared to this dumpster fire of avoidance we see today). So, basically, keep your nose clean Marcius because if you have to ever talk, you have to talk or you lose your livelihood. Sure, you can refuse, but then you lose your job.

Now, you cannot compel someone to criminally incriminate themselves, but if they do not participate, or meaningfully participate (such as, I do not recall responses) you can face non-criminal penalties.

One of those non-criminal penalties, or at least consequences, I think could be, removal from current job, removal of security clearance, rejection of ANY applications to be a foreign representative, removal of access to information etc...

So, I would guess these folks answer the questions because they do not want to be shut out of the systems they need to provide the access to those they want to represent (which once again points to the original freaking problem).
 
2022-06-08 4:34:13 PM  

Meatsim1: It's really disgusting how these Generals view their work just as a personal career and not service to their country. Like joining the military is about acquiring skills in defense policy making and execution rather than doing something for your country.

Like just what the fark goes through your mind when you decide to take money from a foreign country to try and change US foreign policy for their benefit?

Congress really needs to pass a law to reign in people like him and those former CIA/NSA guys who were spying for middle eastern states as well.


Whoa there buddy. Conservative capitalism says money is more important than patriotism. To interfere in the free market is for more dangerous than someone using their position of power and knowledge from being in the US government to benefit themselves at the cost of America.

People like this general, like the foreign agent working for desantis, like Jared, and yes even the foreign assets known as Donald j trump deserve the opportunity to sell out the US for a piece that great American pie.
 
2022-06-08 6:00:19 PM  

senorjuanton: He retired in 2017 and immediately went to work lobbying a foreign government he previously had business dealings with in government?  If a regular civil service person did this and went from working on say a contract on the government side then taking a job with said contractor, they would be in a world of legal hurt.  Why are these higher ups allowed to behave unethically while the regular folks have the book thrown at them?


Maybe he had a note...

Dear citizens of Qatar,

Please allow John to lobby in for your country.

--Allen's Mother
 
2022-06-08 9:20:51 PM  

Stud Gerbil: It's the Ben Franklin defense.   Ol Ben was the first registered foreign agent when he went to France a-wheelin' and a-dealin' to get them to finance our Revolution.     Are you arguing that Ben Franklin was a bad American and shouldn't've been allowed to do that?


I think you'd have to ask the British if he was a good Brit when he did that.
 
2022-06-08 10:24:09 PM  

Meatsim1: It's really disgusting how these Generals view their work just as a personal career and not service to their country. Like joining the military is about acquiring skills in defense policy making and execution rather than doing something for your country.

Like just what the fark goes through your mind when you decide to take money from a foreign country to try and change US foreign policy for their benefit?

Congress really needs to pass a law to reign in people like him and those former CIA/NSA guys who were spying for middle eastern states as well.


If he was at CENTCOM, it's not like he wasn't in the service of oil barons before he approached the Qataris.

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Cut out the middleman!
 
2022-06-08 11:04:05 PM  

groppet: Do they really need the money that bad? A generals pension is pretty damn good from what I hear.


it's doesn't buy you a yacht though. Lobby Money? That buys you a yacht.
 
2022-06-09 1:47:56 PM  
No one should work for any foreign country without permission of the Secretary of State's Office, esp. ex-military, or ex-elected or appointed public officials. This is a good place for conflicts of interests to be identified.
 
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