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2022-06-07 8:31:37 AM  
Web app development meets CAN Bus development. A match made in hell.
 
2022-06-07 9:02:45 AM  
Then it slows down or bricks unless you buy the newest version.
 
2022-06-07 9:08:32 AM  
Proprietary gas nozzle attachment, lug nuts, and everything else they can?
 
2022-06-07 9:12:04 AM  
So they're wanting to come over and play on the powertrain bus?

I guess other vehicle manufacturers are jumping on the Secure Gateway model like Stellantis    This should be interesting.
 
2022-06-07 9:14:42 AM  
Gauges, climate controls, and more will all run through your iPhone.

Fortunately, I don't have an iPhone.  And with a small amount of luck, my '14 Accord will be the last car I own.
 
2022-06-07 9:18:44 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Web app development meets CAN Bus development. A match made in hell.


CAN bus is awesome.  It's all the devices connected to it that suck ass.  Bandwidth isn't great...
 
2022-06-07 9:30:25 AM  
No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.
 
2022-06-07 9:31:44 AM  
While I like AA when it works when it doesn't I have no navigation.  Things like this are really at the point where you can't just keep adding features because reasons and then shrug your shoulders when it breaks or doesn't work as well as it did before.  At the very least allow people to downgrade easily if the new version has quality issues.
 
2022-06-07 9:32:12 AM  
*BEEP* 'Your car is 11 months old & can no longer be upgraded. Please re-mortgage your house to buy a new one.'
 
2022-06-07 9:34:08 AM  
"put your phone away while driving, it's too dangerous"

"lol we made your entire dashboard into a phone"
 
2022-06-07 9:36:52 AM  
Get a cupholder stand for your iPhone, only $599.
 
2022-06-07 9:42:27 AM  
Carplay is okay.  My biggest issue is that it seems to be designed with maximum clicks involved, when you're trying to navigate to a song or podcast.  Yes, you can easily use siri for music, but finding a specific podcast, siri is useless.

And the other issue with these big Carplay/Android Car updates is you have to have a brand new car to use them.
 
2022-06-07 9:43:17 AM  
It will force you to park in handicapped spots like Steve Jobs because that was a cool thing to do.
 
2022-06-07 9:43:29 AM  
I want a car without computers.
 
2022-06-07 9:46:26 AM  
Thanx Apple.  But no thanks.  I'm still the driver.  I'm still the owner.  I've no interest in needing to have a functioning phone, at hand, to operate the ride.  There is a human-machine interface, and it's not on a screen.  It's the tactile sense of turning the key, shifting the gears, hearing the engine, seeing the gauges, understanding the readings (that gas gauge always reads a little high), and watching what is on the road in front of me, around me.
In a year or so, when the economy craters again, new cars will suddenly be bargains and plentiful.  This curmudgeon will still be driving a 22 year old truck and 12 year old SUV.  If I live long enough that I have to go electric, the model that provides the least screen interface is the one I'll buy.
But you do you, Apple.  Where you stand depends on where you sit.
You won't be sitting in my driver's seat.
 
2022-06-07 9:47:08 AM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


Why is that, citizen?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??
 
2022-06-07 10:01:50 AM  
My Forester is from 2012 so it has bluetooth (never used it) and satellite radio (never used it). I had the choice of that car or getting a 2014 which had the touch screen and other goodies they introduced around that time. I feel fine with my basic dash.. it's quaint compared to most of the crap I see around now. It has an aux cord input which I use from time to time.. otherwise the local radio is fine.

But, I can see how this would make sense to the SV crowd who never drives a car older than one year and always requires the most advanced technology available at all times and always seeks that killer app. In the real world, this is just a plain killer.
 
2022-06-07 10:09:03 AM  

entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.


In the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.
 
2022-06-07 10:24:03 AM  

Chemlight Battery: n the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.


That really doesn't change my opinion that all that stuff is just uneeded, unwanted, and distracting garbage.
 
2022-06-07 10:29:05 AM  

entangl3d: Chemlight Battery: n the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.

That really doesn't change my opinion that all that stuff is just uneeded, unwanted, and distracting garbage.


Well that's good, because I was agreeing with you.
 
2022-06-07 10:41:46 AM  
i didn't see anything in the article saying you couldn't install a hitch.
 
2022-06-07 10:59:19 AM  

stuhayes2010: Carplay is okay.  My biggest issue is that it seems to be designed with maximum clicks involved, when you're trying to navigate to a song or podcast.  Yes, you can easily use siri for music, but finding a specific podcast, siri is useless.

And the other issue with these big Carplay/Android Car updates is you have to have a brand new car to use them.


It's still so much better than every OEM navigation system I've ever used.
 
2022-06-07 11:21:42 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Why is that, citizen?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??


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Ha ha ha! AH HA HA HA!

*Shuffles feet on carpet and produces Force Nerdy Static Electricity*

Javascript is a lie!
 
2022-06-07 11:25:37 AM  

The Weekend Baker: Gauges, climate controls, and more will all run through your iPhone.

Fortunately, I don't have an iPhone.  And with a small amount of luck, my '14 Accord will be the last car I own.


Heck, I'm seeing how long my 2006 Scion xA will last me.

/a long farking time I'm guessing
 
2022-06-07 11:26:50 AM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.
 
2022-06-07 11:33:18 AM  

entangl3d: They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.


The screen technology is getting worse it seems.  I had to replace my old tom-tom GPS because its touch screen was getting strange.  The new system cost more and has less features, poorer usability, worse attachment design and worse searching and routing.  I'm tempted to buy a replacement screen for the old one but I busted up its suction cup mount.  It tends to sit in the passenger seat while it reads out directions.

I have a two decade old Saab.  It has the steering wheel on the wrong side^ and being right handed, I find it much easier to operate the A/C and radio on the same model car with the steering wheel on the proper left side.  The user interface issue of the knobs is a combination of them not flipping all the buttons and me being right handed.  Things like the radio off and full defrost buttons are in odd positions in my current car.

^ If you live on an island, you tend to drive on the wrong side of the road.
 
2022-06-07 11:34:32 AM  

Geotpf: The Weekend Baker: Gauges, climate controls, and more will all run through your iPhone.

Fortunately, I don't have an iPhone.  And with a small amount of luck, my '14 Accord will be the last car I own.

Heck, I'm seeing how long my 2006 Scion xA will last me.

/a long farking time I'm guessing


I have, at most, two more years of "active driving."  I've WFH for eight years now, and my daughter graduates from high school in two years.  After she's done and she flies the coop, I'm back to driving only once a week for weekend grocery shopping, about 40-50 miles round trip, depending on how many places we go to.

At slightly under 60k miles, I only recently had to replace the tires for the first time, and I'm still driving on the original brakes.
 
2022-06-07 11:35:24 AM  

Geotpf: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.


The 86 VW Golf had an analog engine control computer that would remember some performance data if it wasn't off for too long.  It had a digital computer in the radio.
 
2022-06-07 11:38:03 AM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


No you don't.  What you want is a car without superfluous computers.  A lot of the ones under the hood make your car's performance far superior to pre-computer cars.

Currently I'm driving a car with too many computers.  I already ripped out the OnStar long ago, but other computers still override my will on the dash brightness, the rearview mirror is (poorly) electronically controlled, and my dash will occasionally decide to show me "helpful information" instead of what I asked it to display.  Those computers, I not only could do without, I would prefer to do without.

I still wouldn't give up all the other computers that keep my engine running optimally.
 
2022-06-07 11:41:44 AM  

Geotpf: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.


Did a little googling and found a Mahindra Roxor made out in Michigan but it isn't street legal. Price is a bit salty though at $20-30k but since it's an off road thing and not a mass produced cheap car that makes sense to some degree.
 
2022-06-07 11:46:47 AM  
There's no such thing as tech products that are free of annoying "features" but CarPlay seems to be annoying on purpose.
 
2022-06-07 12:01:16 PM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


ok. you can have that now.

enjoy your terrible mileage, stinky exhaust, replacing the plugs every 15k miles, your yearly tune-up, terrible braking, terrible handling, carburetor rebuilds, etc. etc. etc.  to say nothing of the terrible metal alloys they were using then that rust at the mention of water and terrible crash safety.
 
2022-06-07 12:02:23 PM  

Koodz: stuhayes2010: Carplay is okay.  My biggest issue is that it seems to be designed with maximum clicks involved, when you're trying to navigate to a song or podcast.  Yes, you can easily use siri for music, but finding a specific podcast, siri is useless.

And the other issue with these big Carplay/Android Car updates is you have to have a brand new car to use them.

It's still so much better than every OEM navigation system I've ever used.


The phone screen sharing features of CarPlay and Android Auto are great. I'm not convinced that I need all my car controls operated by something from Apple or Google embedded in my car though.

I actually like how Chevy/LG set up the entertainment system on my Chevy Bolt for the most part. I have physical controls for temperature, fan speed and vent selection, and a separate dashboard screen for speedometer, warning lights, odometer, charge status/range estimate, etc. The only thing I need to control on the entertainment center touch screen are the seat heaters and overriding the "auto" climate control to turn heat or A/C off and on. Otherwise, I plug my phone in and I get Waze plus Spotify on the entertaiment screen right where I left when I parked the car.
 
2022-06-07 12:10:32 PM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


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Me too
 
2022-06-07 12:24:34 PM  
Good Luck, Apple...

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2022-06-07 12:35:06 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

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Me too


make that your daily driver for a year (especially if you live in an area with real winter or raging hot summer) and see if you still feel the same way.

i like the look of old cars too and some of them are fun to drive, once and a while but they are in no single way, large or small, better than their modern replacement.
 
2022-06-07 12:56:14 PM  

DON.MAC: Geotpf: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.

The 86 VW Golf had an analog engine control computer that would remember some performance data if it wasn't off for too long.  It had a digital computer in the radio.


Emissions controls.  Even back then they needed a primitive computer to meet emissions standards.  I remember my mother's 1980 Buick Century station wagon having a kick panel in the passenger side footwell (which, being a child, I kicked often), exposing a large silver box containing such a computer.

Here's a similar thing from an 1981-1983 Mazda (apparently made by some division of Mitsubishi due to the logo):

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That's a computer in there.

Of course, computers were also found in digital dashes and higher end radios at that time period, but both were optional.  Emission controls are not.
 
2022-06-07 1:04:31 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

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Me too

make that your daily driver for a year (especially if you live in an area with real winter or raging hot summer) and see if you still feel the same way.

i like the look of old cars too and some of them are fun to drive, once and a while but they are in no single way, large or small, better than their modern replacement.


Save, perhaps, for that remarkably roomy back seat...
 
2022-06-07 1:10:25 PM  

Chemlight Battery: entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.

In the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.


Many vehicles put the back up camera image in the rear view mirror.

Where it farking belongs....
 
2022-06-07 1:34:26 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

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Me too

make that your daily driver for a year (especially if you live in an area with real winter or raging hot summer) and see if you still feel the same way.

i like the look of old cars too and some of them are fun to drive, once and a while but they are in no single way, large or small, better than their modern replacement.


I purposely picked that car, because I drove a 1956 DeSoto for 2 years when I was in college.
I picked it up on the cheap, and it became my daily driver. Weather wise, it was in San Diego, so a pretty moderate climate. But I did take it to Palm Springs more than a few times. The trick is to have a working AC.
 
2022-06-07 1:37:04 PM  

scanman61: Chemlight Battery: entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.

In the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.

Many vehicles put the back up camera image in the rear view mirror.

Where it farking belongs....


I don't particularly care whether it is in the mirror or a dedicated display. Both work just fine and are vastly better than not having a camera at all. I guess the screen will be there for the GPS in most cases anyway, which is fine. I'm not giving up my GPS. It's certainly far safer than reading a road atlas while driving. The problem is just when they replace tactile controls for radio/AC/heat/etc. with touchscreen controls or add fancy infotainment options that don't belong in a car in the first place.
 
2022-06-07 1:57:33 PM  

DON.MAC: Geotpf: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.

The 86 VW Golf had an analog engine control computer that would remember some performance data if it wasn't off for too long.  It had a digital computer in the radio.


An 86 golf had CISE fuel injection which stands for continuous injection system electronic (German to English anyway). want to guess what the electronic part entailed? Or the lack of points?
 
2022-06-07 2:00:34 PM  
We need to get Right to Repair enshrined long before anything like this happens.
 
2022-06-07 2:04:54 PM  

Chemlight Battery: scanman61: Chemlight Battery: entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.

In the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.

Many vehicles put the back up camera image in the rear view mirror.

Where it farking belongs....

I don't particularly care whether it is in the mirror or a dedicated display. Both work just fine and are vastly better than not having a camera at all. I guess the screen will be there for the GPS in most cases anyway, which is fine. I'm not giving up my GPS. It's certainly far safer than reading a road atlas while driving. The problem is just when they replace tactile controls for radio/AC/heat/etc. with touchscreen controls or add fancy infotainment options that don't belong in a car in the first place.


On one car I added the backup in the mirror, loved it.  GPS though, unless they include the ability to update maps for life (even if there's a fee attached), I consider it useless.  One of my cars is over almost 14 years out of date now because they stopped making them and nobody has been able (or at least willing) to hack an update.  So now I just use my phone or my dash mount Garmin that does have lifetime map updates.
 
2022-06-07 2:16:47 PM  

scanman61: Chemlight Battery: entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.

In the interest of safety, all new cars are now required by federal regulation to have backup cameras, which means a screen. And if they are taking up all that space with a screen, they're going to use it for other things, some of which aren't safe.

Many vehicles put the back up camera image in the rear view mirror.

Where it farking belongs....


I dunno.  You get a more limited view.  IE, the mirror shape is long and narrow; you see more at the top and more importantly the bottom on the actual video screen.  It negates one of the advantages of the backup camera-being able to see small animals and small children.  Many a baby or toddler was squished by people backing up before the widespread use (and now requirement) of the back up camera.
 
2022-06-07 3:03:41 PM  

CrosswordWithAPen: tom baker's scarf: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

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Me too

make that your daily driver for a year (especially if you live in an area with real winter or raging hot summer) and see if you still feel the same way.

i like the look of old cars too and some of them are fun to drive, once and a while but they are in no single way, large or small, better than their modern replacement.

Save, perhaps, for that remarkably roomy back seat...


you got me there.    i had the vinyl bench seat in an '86 F150.  that one is probably better.

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2022-06-07 4:22:57 PM  

zeroflight222: We need to get Right to Repair enshrined long before anything like this happens.


A legal framework to set and enforce industry standards is long overdue.  Companies routinely deliberately take extra steps with their products to make them proprietary in order to hold market they've captured.  Everything that can be done to lock a customer in without actually providing good service or something revolutionary like that is done.  Every effort to interfere with the free market by placing barriers to customers moving to competitors is done.

You shouldn't just have the right to repair, there should be a fundamental prohibition on crippling product interoperability when it is obviously being done to lock in customers.  The only recourse a vendor should have against people fiddling with a purchased product is to void the warranty or discontinue service... which should never break the product as a result.
 
2022-06-07 4:41:34 PM  

Nimbull: I want a car without computers.


At risk of sounding like the "I don't even own a television" hipsters, I don't own a car with a computer.  Its easy to do - but you have to be willing to learn how to do your own basic mechanic work, at least for maintenance.  The cheap insurance, never paying for a mechanic, cheap parts, and no car payment ever, make up for the lower miles per gallon as far as operating expenses, and I've never in my life paid more than $3500 for a car.  Though, to be honest, even some of the cars with basic EFI and computers aren't bad, up thru the late 90s/early 2000s.  90s Toyota Corollas, Tercels, and 4-banger Camrys are boring but they last forever and aren't too hard to maintain on your own.   Any old toyota pickup is great.  200/700/900 series Volvos are also stupid simple, get good fuel economy, and are dirt cheap to keep running. I personally prefer vintage mopar iron, but I'm a weirdo and also live really close to my job and ride a motorcycle most of the time, so I don't usually care much about fuel economy.

I daily either an '04 Honda Shadow 1100 motorcycle (no computers), or if I need to use an actual car, I've got a '73 Dodge Polara and a '64 Dodge Dart.  Newest non-motorbike vehicle I own is an '89 Ford F-250 with a diesel, and it only gets used if I have to tow or haul something heavy.  No computers, all are easy to work on with basic tools.  Though, I do tend to splurge and install a good stereo system, bluetooth, etc.
 
2022-06-07 9:29:27 PM  

dirkfunk: DON.MAC: Geotpf: Nimbull: I want a car without computers.

Such a car hasn't been manufactured since about 1980 or so.

The 86 VW Golf had an analog engine control computer that would remember some performance data if it wasn't off for too long.  It had a digital computer in the radio.

An 86 golf had CISE fuel injection which stands for continuous injection system electronic (German to English anyway). want to guess what the electronic part entailed? Or the lack of points?


That used an analog computer, not a digital one.  There wasn't a microprocessor in the CISE box as it was pure analog.   I expect it was one of the last mass produced analog computers. The only digital computer in the car was in the radio. They went to a Bosch digital computer soon after that.
 
2022-06-07 9:35:09 PM  

entangl3d: No thank you. All these touch screens do is take the focus from the road to the screen. They're trying to solve problems that knobs solved a long time ago. You can feel a knob or slider without ever taking your eyes off the road. Knobs and sliders also do not have software crashes.

I guess I am just old school, but one thing I know for sure is the more complex this gets the more problems it is going to have. I wish I could by a car without all this infotainment, lcd everywhere crap.


Plus it won't last as long, and replacement parts will not be supported or even manufactureable.
 
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