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(NBC News)   Senate negotiators announce they have a framework for gun legislation. Since we all know how things turn out when lawmakers announce they have a framework for legislation, expect nothing to be done in the end. The running out the clock has begun   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2022-06-02 9:23:16 AM  
Go ahead, Kick the Ball. I won't move it this time...
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2022-06-02 9:42:18 AM  
We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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2022-06-02 9:48:04 AM  

NewportBarGuy: We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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The car siding on the wall, the thick frame with roller latch and wooden pocket for a 1911 - that's the most 70's concealed weapon system I've ever seen.
 
2022-06-02 10:13:44 AM  
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2022-06-02 10:15:13 AM  
Time for Manchin to step in and derail it?
 
2022-06-02 10:16:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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What is it with secret doors where the only thing gun nuts can think to put behind them is MOR GUNS?
 
2022-06-02 10:17:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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I'm kind of surprised that issuing a gun to every American hasn't been put on the table. It's logical from a conservative standpoint.
 
2022-06-02 10:17:46 AM  
We should really be focused on Ukraine and be thankful that a hostile country hasn't invaded us yet, because they hate our freedoms. Also there's a lot of good gun sales right now before Biden outlaws them. Is the Bible next?
 
2022-06-02 10:18:07 AM  
At least we have a process. . .

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2022-06-02 10:18:11 AM  
How much are the tax cuts and hand-outs to the gun industry?
 
2022-06-02 10:18:32 AM  
Sadly our only hope is that mass shootings become so prevalent, the clock gets reset before it can run out. With Buffalo, Uvalde, and now Tulsa we are averaging one a week; so we might be there. Scary thought.

Another scary thought. With the right wing's delve into authoritarianism and sedition, then taking into consideration their solutions to shootings involves a lot of locked doors and armed guards, could the mass shootings be an intentional consequence of the relaxation of all gun laws? It is easier to get the population to go along with a quasi martial law police state is if you make them think it is their idea. "Security" is how human rights violations have been traditionally justified, even in the "Mecca of freedom" of the U.S.A.
 
2022-06-02 10:18:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: NewportBarGuy: We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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I'm kind of surprised that issuing a gun to every white American land owner hasn't been put on the table. It's logical from a conservative standpoint.

 
2022-06-02 10:19:06 AM  
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2022-06-02 10:22:37 AM  
"Sen. Kevin Cramer, (R-egressive ND)., who is not part of the talks, said he is unlikely to support a possible deal if it includes background checks and red flag law provisions"

He calls these "left wing talking points" -- the two things that target domestic violence, past and potentially future.

Which police and social service both say is the greatest indicator of future gun violence.

...but also usually disproportionately affects white males in any community.
 
2022-06-02 10:22:51 AM  

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After the second time he should have aimed for Lucy.
 
2022-06-02 10:25:00 AM  

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/Keep hope alive
 
2022-06-02 10:25:01 AM  
Wake me when we get to the inevitable stage of: "Talks broke down when Democrats refused to arm kindergarteners with The Boring Company™ flamethrowers. Collins 'concerned.'"
 
2022-06-02 10:33:50 AM  
"Senate negotiators announce they have a framework for gun legislation."

Translation: "Let's play Mousetrap! You remember Mousetrap, don't you? The overly complicated Rube Goldberg contraption that requires a ridiculously long time to play and almost always disappoints even if you are patient enough to see the game all the way through, because the mechanism virtually always fails?"
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Imagine that Moscow Mitch is the bratty kid your girlfriend is babysitting, who wants to defer curfew as long as possible, and the Senate is the one last game of Mousetrap he gets to play before bedtime, and the Filibuster is that one janky plastic part that never works right.
 
2022-06-02 10:34:02 AM  
To be instantly blocked by Manchin and Sinema.
 
2022-06-02 10:38:38 AM  
Be fair.

They started running out the clock before the last elementary school student's body was cold.
 
2022-06-02 10:39:05 AM  
This must mean something huge is about to drop. I'm thinking a mass shooting by Friday
 
2022-06-02 10:42:39 AM  

Palined Parenthood: This must mean something huge is about to drop. I'm thinking a mass shooting by Friday


We already had one last night.
 
2022-06-02 10:53:50 AM  

The5thElement: To be instantly blocked by Manchin and Sinema.


FTA: "
The bipartisan group of nine senators, who met in person at the Capitol shortly after the May 24 massacre, held a Zoom meeting Wednesday afternoon to discuss any progress that may have been made during the Memorial Day recess.
The senators are: Democrats Chris Murphy and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Martin Heinrich of New Mexico and Republicans Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, Susan Collins of Maine, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana."
 
2022-06-02 10:57:09 AM  
Here are the things that might actually help;

Raise the age to purchase an AR to 21
Entrance and exit protocols that we have at federal buildings and court houses will be at all schools
At least 1 armed resource officer in every school
Teachers that are willing to be armed will be allowed to carry
 
2022-06-02 11:07:01 AM  
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2022-06-02 11:07:05 AM  

lilbjorn: Time for Manchin to step in and derail it?


I'd almost prefer for Manchin to announce it's DOA and that he will never vote for it in any form and nothing anyone could do would change his mind. I say this because it will stop the six month circle jerk of legislators talking about doing something then compromising with the NRA to create a bill that somehow makes the problem worse. I'm half expecting a rider on the bill that would allow open carry in polling places. You know, so the white people can feel safe while voting and loitering around the outside of polling places.
 
2022-06-02 11:19:09 AM  
Oh wow I was like all super about cleaning up the streets and taking away those guns but I found something I could use them on first. So once let's do the gun thing right after this other thing.

This guy really stitches the ultra crazy conspiracies together so well.  I, a man who was never purchased a firearm in his life and Views them as the weapon of a coward, well I am going  to buy a few and some ammo.  Why?  Why would a pass-a-fist (intentional misspelling)  go and buy a gun?  You really should watch the video.
 
2022-06-02 11:26:06 AM  

red230: lilbjorn: Time for Manchin to step in and derail it?

I'd almost prefer for Manchin to announce it's DOA and that he will never vote for it in any form and nothing anyone could do would change his mind. I say this because it will stop the six month circle jerk of legislators talking about doing something then compromising with the NRA to create a bill that somehow makes the problem worse. I'm half expecting a rider on the bill that would allow open carry in polling places. You know, so the white people can feel safe while voting and loitering around the outside of polling places.


Luckily it does not need Manchin to do this to prevent what you fear. Using he term "framework" means that it is dead now, but nobody wants to admit it due to the current political climate. When politicians announce they have a "framework" it is because while everyone agrees something needs to be done, they cannot come to an agreement on what to be done. Usually that means one side is negotiating in bad faith by objecting for the sole intention to avoid consensus, because overtly opposing doing anything is bad optics politically. It is the Senate equivalent of Gov Abbott's special committee on the state level. A way to create the optics of doing something while doing nothing.
 
2022-06-02 11:47:17 AM  

SpectroBoy: HotWingConspiracy: NewportBarGuy: We're going to give everyone a free gun frame?

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I'm kind of surprised that issuing a gun to every white American land owner hasn't been put on the table. It's logical from a conservative standpoint.


Just the way the founding fathers would have wanted it
 
2022-06-02 11:51:16 AM  
The only question is how many more mass shootings with double digit body counts we're going to suffer in that time span.
 
2022-06-02 11:55:23 AM  

pxsteel: Here are the things that might actually help;

Raise the age to purchase an AR to 21
Entrance and exit protocols that we have at federal buildings and court houses will be at all schools
At least 1 armed resource officer in every school
Teachers that are willing to be armed will be allowed to carry


I truly hate that I actually have to agree with that. Until when and if they actually get some guns off the street or do anything else... these measures would actually do something to reduce deaths.
 
2022-06-02 11:59:11 AM  

heavymetal: When politicians announce they have a "framework" it is because while everyone agrees something needs to be done, they cannot come to an agreement on what to be done. Usually that means one side is negotiating in bad faith by objecting for the sole intention to avoid consensus, because overtly opposing doing anything is bad optics politically. It is the Senate equivalent of Gov Abbott's special committee on the state level. A way to create the optics of doing something while doing nothing.


Framework:
https://www.fb.org/market-intel/digging-into-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-framework-whats-important-for-ag

Law:
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055841358/biden-signs-1t-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-into-law
 
2022-06-02 12:20:53 PM  

The5thElement: To be instantly blocked by Manchin and Sinema.


"Why aren't you blaming the 50 Other senators we already knew wouldn't support this!?"
 
2022-06-02 12:33:06 PM  
Things that might help with mass shootings:

- People stop normalizing them by marinating in tragedy for weeks after each incident
- National news stops normalizing them by saturating us with "breaking news" coverage for weeks after an incident
- Social media stops normalizing them by limiting discussions about them to specific forums only available to adults.
- Raising the age requirement to buy, own, or possess a semi-automatic long gun to 21.
- Banning sales of semi-automatic long guns, without exception (including police.  "If you want to play like a soldier join the army" applies to cops as well.  They are peace officers, not stormtroopers).
- Banning sales of semi-automatic long guns and handguns, including police.  Manual action only: revolvers, break-action, pump-action, lever-action, and bolt-action only.
- Universal background checks.

I don't have much faith that the first three will happen, and I doubt the last four will help much, but they might help a little.
 
2022-06-02 12:36:06 PM  

serfdood: Palined Parenthood: This must mean something huge is about to drop. I'm thinking a mass shooting by Friday

We already had one last night.


That's it?
 
2022-06-02 12:43:35 PM  

Palined Parenthood: serfdood: Palined Parenthood: This must mean something huge is about to drop. I'm thinking a mass shooting by Friday

We already had one last night.

That's it?


Mid week. Don't worry though, things will pick up over the weekend.
 
2022-06-02 12:58:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: pxsteel: Here are the things that might actually help;

Raise the age to purchase an AR to 21
Entrance and exit protocols that we have at federal buildings and court houses will be at all schools
At least 1 armed resource officer in every school
Teachers that are willing to be armed will be allowed to carry

I truly hate that I actually have to agree with that. Until when and if they actually get some guns off the street or do anything else... these measures would actually do something to reduce deaths.


Not that last one, though. Arming teachers is a gun-humper's wet dream, meaning a bad idea that can turn very deadly, very quickly.

Aside from that, I agree with you, NBG.
 
2022-06-02 1:37:00 PM  
he said "mass shooting" but
he meant ⛪ shooting
 
2022-06-02 2:07:49 PM  
The House has a bill with a ban on "large capacity" magazines. I haven't seen the language, but it's proposed to be a total ban on sale, transfer, or possession of them with limited exceptions. I'm interested to see those exceptions and to see whether they intend to grandfather in the hundreds of millions of magazines already floating around, and how they plan to enforce that.
 
2022-06-02 3:11:09 PM  

heavymetal: Sadly our only hope is that mass shootings become so prevalent, the clock gets reset before it can run out. With Buffalo, Uvalde, and now Tulsa we are averaging one a week; so we might be there. Scary thought.

Another scary thought. With the right wing's delve into authoritarianism and sedition, then taking into consideration their solutions to shootings involves a lot of locked doors and armed guards, could the mass shootings be an intentional consequence of the relaxation of all gun laws? It is easier to get the population to go along with a quasi martial law police state is if you make them think it is their idea. "Security" is how human rights violations have been traditionally justified, even in the "Mecca of freedom" of the U.S.A.


I don't know what rock you've been living under, but we are not averaging one mass shooting a week. We are averaging MORE THAN ONE mass shooting every DAY. We've had multiple stretches of seven or more consecutive days with a mass shooting every day (January 12-19, February 15-22, March 11-23, and May 5-15). We're barely behind 2021's pace of mass shootings right now, which ended the calendar year at almost TWO mass shootings every day. I don't know how much more frequent mass shootings need to get to be considered prevalent because I'd say this level is already prevalent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/02/mass-shootings-in-2022
 
2022-06-02 8:03:54 PM  

mediaho: Wake me when we get to the inevitable stage of: "Talks broke down when Democrats refused to arm kindergarteners with The Boring Company™ flamethrowers. Collins 'concerned.'"


Kindergartners need crew served weapons, duh. Every classroom needs a mounted m-60.
 
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