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(Some Guy)   Red alert: We are in a Kobayashi Maru scenario with the climate crisis   (guyonclimate.com) divider line
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2022-06-02 5:29:57 AM  
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2022-06-02 6:06:06 AM  
Then, the only option is to cheat.
 
2022-06-02 6:34:24 AM  
And the rich people who helped make that happen by financing the propoganda will be tucked away in a bunker or something somewhere safe. My first idea for solving this is hunt them down
 
2022-06-02 6:41:11 AM  

Nimbull: And the rich people who helped make that happen by financing the propoganda will be tucked away in a bunker or something somewhere safe. My first idea for solving this is hunt them down


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Nature will do it for us.  They won't escape.  They think they'll escape, but they won't.
 
2022-06-02 6:48:08 AM  

Nimbull: And the rich people who helped make that happen by financing the propoganda will be tucked away in a bunker or something somewhere safe. My first idea for solving this is hunt them down


Here's a list of Vault-tec Vaults Terravivos underground shelters to aid in your, uh, research.
 
2022-06-02 6:52:25 AM  
He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.
 
2022-06-02 7:04:38 AM  

johnphantom: He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.


In fact, wasn't there some guy in the US military who 'cheated' to prove his scenario was a realistic threat to be dealt with (small suicide attack boats vs. large American warships), wiped the board with his strategy... and reaped nothing but an epic shiatstorm for his trouble?
 
2022-06-02 7:07:12 AM  
If the climate kills people in hot, humid places, it might solve the problems the hard way. And the remaining two billion people will have plenty of resources from what remains.
 
2022-06-02 7:24:15 AM  
Ah, so your saying we should HACK THE PLANET!
 
2022-06-02 7:26:26 AM  

johnphantom: He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.


Or it's yet another sign of just how out of touch and ineffectual Starfleet brass were due to their cushy currency-free utopian lifestyles.
 
2022-06-02 7:30:57 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: johnphantom: He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.

Or it's yet another sign of just how out of touch and ineffectual Starfleet brass were due to their cushy currency-free utopian lifestyles.


You tell that stupid chief, McGonargle.
 
2022-06-02 7:37:36 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Ah, so your saying we should HACK THE PLANET!


Yes, that's exactly what my saying.
 
2022-06-02 8:00:46 AM  

Unsung_Hero: johnphantom: He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.

In fact, wasn't there some guy in the US military who 'cheated' to prove his scenario was a realistic threat to be dealt with (small suicide attack boats vs. large American warships), wiped the board with his strategy... and reaped nothing but an epic shiatstorm for his trouble?


Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper

and basically they just allowed the Blue team a do-over while creating new rules of engagement for the Red team so they couldn't do anything effective.  Because that will help discover things to fix.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won/

/ Basically Team Blue reprogrammed the simulation

.
 
2022-06-02 8:10:24 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Unsung_Hero: johnphantom: He cheated by reprogramming the game. No military would accept someone cheating at their own games. What Kirk did was not brilliant, and he would have been a dishwasher in the Federation.

In fact, wasn't there some guy in the US military who 'cheated' to prove his scenario was a realistic threat to be dealt with (small suicide attack boats vs. large American warships), wiped the board with his strategy... and reaped nothing but an epic shiatstorm for his trouble?

Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper

and basically they just allowed the Blue team a do-over while creating new rules of engagement for the Red team so they couldn't do anything effective.  Because that will help discover things to fix.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won/

/ Basically Team Blue reprogrammed the simulation

.


No they were in reality, went with the rules of reality and showed them a new option. Kirk didn't show them a new option, something they didn't think of - he just cheated.
 
2022-06-02 8:16:13 AM  
I mean, where do simulations get you anyway? Look at Russia. Their top video game ace went to war and got killed instantly. You don't get a timer in RL for the ammo blowing up. I would have had so much more respect for the idea of Kirk if he had bent the rules and showed them something they didn't expect. That is true brilliance, not reprogramming a game.
 
2022-06-02 8:17:27 AM  
RE: the difference between exploiting and cheating.
 
2022-06-02 8:27:13 AM  

johnphantom: I mean, where do simulations get you anyway? Look at Russia. Their top video game ace went to war and got killed instantly. You don't get a timer in RL for the ammo blowing up. I would have had so much more respect for the idea of Kirk if he had bent the rules and showed them something they didn't expect. That is true brilliance, not reprogramming a game.


The Japanese and Germans excelled at them.  Their roads to eventual defeat were shown quite accurately in war games years prior.
 
2022-06-02 8:39:54 AM  
It's not a Kobayashi Maru scenario.  The whole point of the Kobayashi Maru was that it was a no-win scenario from the start.  The climate crisis was not a no-win scenario.  There were many, many opportunities to win but we chose not to do anything and now it's too late.
 
2022-06-02 9:04:57 AM  

wildcardjack: If the climate kills people in hot, humid places, it might solve the problems the hard way. And the remaining two billion people will have plenty of resources from what remains.


No. because currently 1 billion people live like 10 billion in carbon footprint (the First World) and 9 Billion live like 1 (Africa, Asia, rural everywhere).  Leave us with 2 billion people and as long as it's the wrong 2 billion--and it will be--we'll continue overconsuming at nearly the same rate.

As a one sentance sci fi idea:  If the kobyashi maru solution in our case would be a substratum-revising quantum computer that fundamentally changes local or universal laws, what one law could we change to "hack" our way out of climate change? And how would it all go horribly wrong afterwards?
 
2022-06-02 9:20:34 AM  
Bah, wake me up when we're in a mind-controlling ear worm scenario.
 
2022-06-02 9:58:40 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Then, the only option is to cheat.


Unfortunately, cheating is a big part of what got us here. The oil companies knew global warming was going to be a problem back in the 70s, and they've done everything they can to cover up and obfuscate the problem, just for short-term profits.
 
2022-06-02 10:00:38 AM  

NephilimNexus: Nimbull: And the rich people who helped make that happen by financing the propoganda will be tucked away in a bunker or something somewhere safe. My first idea for solving this is hunt them down

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Nature will do it for us.  They won't escape.  They think they'll escape, but they won't.


Given that's on another planet, this is a more appropriate picture:
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2022-06-02 10:59:17 AM  

wildcardjack: If the climate kills people in hot, humid places, it might solve the problems the hard way. And the remaining two billion people will have plenty of resources from what remains.


The hot humid places are already hot and humid. The comfortable temperate places* will be the ones suddenly going hot and humid (or barren and dry).

/Europe, The US, China
 
2022-06-02 11:18:43 AM  
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i am on team kirk
 
2022-06-02 11:44:41 AM  
I'd say humans had a good run, but historically we qualify as a failed experiment. Any species that overconsumes its environment is doomed to starvation and eventual extermination. We just are managing this with extra steps.
 
2022-06-02 3:44:06 PM  

Nimbull: And the rich people who helped make that happen by financing the propoganda will be tucked away in a bunker or something somewhere safe. My first idea for solving this is hunt them down


It's a post-apocalyptic scenario; we hunt them down and eat them.  Soylent green is rich people.
 
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