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(Metro)   Anti-monarchists try to kill off the British monarchy, plaster 'Make Elizabeth the Last' posters across the UK days before the Queen's Platinum Jubilee   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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2022-06-01 11:44:35 AM  
 
2022-06-01 11:54:02 AM  
You HAD your "Republic".

It didn't last.

/also, we're still dealing with the runoff that migrated across the Pond
 
2022-06-01 12:05:24 PM  
The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.

Getting rid of them would be like the national zoo getting rid of the pandas.

"Step right up an gawk at the in-bred slack-jawed soap opera characters that think people look up to them! Behold their vapid gaze and receding chins. Marvel at their inability to function like normal humans or feel embarrassment!"

Getting rid of them would be the very end of the freak show era.
 
2022-06-01 12:17:12 PM  
There's no reason why England can't go the Japan route with regards to their royals.
 
2022-06-01 12:19:20 PM  
I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are just pointless individuals. Yeah i'm sure that £25m spent on the celebrations is the exact amount needed to fix all our problems, if only it hadn't been wasted. Oh well, maybe next century we can scrimp and save enough to fix it one day.

I'm sure someone can come in and do the mathson how much they bring in in tourism and what not. And they do pay taxes, compared to how much they cost, civil list etc. And if we did abolish them would the properties the crown gives to government to earn income on to pay the civil list not have to be returned to them?

Just seems like a lot of faff with no real upside. Unless you're one of those people who believe the Queen can at any time bust into your home and start belting out "I want to break free" and you just have to sit there and take it or you get taken to the Tower.
 
2022-06-01 12:40:42 PM  

Slaxl: I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are...


Americans have a built-in aversion to monarchy. Well, except for the mouthbreathers who want to install a dictator...
 
2022-06-01 12:41:08 PM  
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2022-06-01 12:42:45 PM  
And replace our system of government with what, exactly?
 
2022-06-01 12:44:05 PM  
sorry, i'm out of the loop. is this antidisestablishmentarianism?"
 
2022-06-01 12:44:17 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?


Watery tarts handing out swords?
 
2022-06-01 12:45:50 PM  
On some level, the monarchy is the only thing that holds the UK together. It gives the governance of GB a continuity of purpose that other modern powers lack. Its been said that she serves as the conscience of the UK govt. 

America on the other hand has a new drunken step daddy at the controls every 4-8 years. Our motivations and policies can take a full 180 at any time. This is why no one outside the USA trusts the USA. A treaty with us isnt worth the parchment its written on.

Some might say the same about UK, and maybe that is so to some degree, I'd argue that the Queen does a lot to mitigate that. But I'll also admit that future monarchs are unlikely to be as effective at this as she has been.
 
2022-06-01 12:45:52 PM  
Our walking tour guy Tim in London did a pretty explanation of it. 5% really want the monarchy gone 5% really love the monarchy and 90% just like have the extra days off they get from the monarchy celebrations.
 
2022-06-01 12:46:33 PM  
I don't think that the United Kingdom will get rid of the monarchy anytime soon, but I would imagine that in about 20 years, say, the big majority of other countries that the British monarchy claims dominion over will no longer recognize them.  I certainly expect all other countries in the Caribbean to follow Barbados' lead and become republics.
 
2022-06-01 12:46:59 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?


It isn't just about the political system. It's also about the cultural system. It was the monarchy which first united all of England, and it was the Monarchy which first united all of Britain.

For Britain to rid itself of such an ancient institution would be culturally murderous.
 
2022-06-01 12:47:31 PM  
Funny how British republicans want to abolish a monarchy while American Republicans want to install one.
 
2022-06-01 12:47:47 PM  
Sooo
Get rid of the figureheads who have nothing to do with government, but are a symbol of the nation...
Which leaves you with...

The people you elected, which the best they could come up with to lead the country is...
Boris
 
2022-06-01 12:48:25 PM  
You're only 246 years late Brittania. Or is this just a promo for the new Sex Pistols show?
 
2022-06-01 12:49:34 PM  
Once again. Unless Britain wants to steal all the land and ownings from the family, the Royals...tourism aside...let England use and work all of that land own in exchange for a annual salary and the money that the government gets from the forests, ports, et al which THAT family still owns, is like 5 times as much as the salary that is paid to the Queen. The tourism of course also more than covers whatever the salary is for the Queen. You can get rid of the royals and lose all that revenue, or stage a coup and just eminent domain all of the land. OR...and here's the kicker. OR just take the huge amount of revenues and dress up the royals like clowns a few times a year for parades and shiat.
 
2022-06-01 12:49:58 PM  

SpectroBoy: The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.


Tourists don't stop by to have tea with the Queen. It's not like HRH is doing meet & greets for cash (at least not with the Great Unwashed). France ditched their royals, yet they still do a hell of a tourism business. The palaces and shiat didn't just disappear.
 
2022-06-01 12:50:02 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?


A system that doesn't require a Queen to play elections? Like, it's not that hard to lmao
 
2022-06-01 12:50:45 PM  
Are they anything other than a powerless embassador that other countries go to for a photo op? I mean aside from a tour stop or three on those big red double deckers.
 
2022-06-01 12:51:02 PM  

MattytheMouse: Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?

A system that doesn't require a Queen to play elections? Like, it's not that hard to lmao


Hard to fathom*

But seriously, that post reminds me of my favorite genre of Tweet: brits learning that they live in a monarchy.
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2022-06-01 12:51:19 PM  

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'And also your grandfather denied the Holocaust happened'.
 
2022-06-01 12:52:58 PM  

baka-san: Sooo
Get rid of the figureheads who have nothing to do with government,


Tell me you don't know anything about the way the British Government functions, without telling me you don't know anything about the way the British Government functions.
 
2022-06-01 12:53:36 PM  
What's the argument for keeping them?
 
2022-06-01 12:53:47 PM  

Slaxl: I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are just pointless individuals. Yeah i'm sure that £25m spent on the celebrations is the exact amount needed to fix all our problems, if only it hadn't been wasted. Oh well, maybe next century we can scrimp and save enough to fix it one day.

I'm sure someone can come in and do the mathson how much they bring in in tourism and what not. And they do pay taxes, compared to how much they cost, civil list etc. And if we did abolish them would the properties the crown gives to government to earn income on to pay the civil list not have to be returned to them?

Just seems like a lot of faff with no real upside. Unless you're one of those people who believe the Queen can at any time bust into your home and start belting out "I want to break free" and you just have to sit there and take it or you get taken to the Tower.


There is always groups of self important people whose only way to add purpose to their life is to suck all the fun out of everyone else's life. In Britain they are called "anti-monarchists", in the United States they are called "Republicans".
 
2022-06-01 12:54:18 PM  

beezeltown: Slaxl: I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are...

Americans have a built-in aversion to monarchy. Well, except for the mouthbreathers who want to install a dictator...


Everyone should have an aversion to monarchies.
 
2022-06-01 12:54:39 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?


A real democracy.  Shiatcan the House of Lords, too.  No more Lords.

tyty
 
2022-06-01 12:55:34 PM  

Gaythiest Elitist: SpectroBoy: The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.

Tourists don't stop by to have tea with the Queen. It's not like HRH is doing meet & greets for cash (at least not with the Great Unwashed). France ditched their royals, yet they still do a hell of a tourism business. The palaces and shiat didn't just disappear.


I do love when people try to justify the legacy of violence hatred and oppression that is monarchy. They're often the same people that justify slavery as being an economic boon (for a select few).
 
2022-06-01 12:56:39 PM  
The Brits could always behead Prince Charles after the Queen dies and take his money and palaces. They did it 400 years ago, no reason not to give regicide another try.
 
2022-06-01 12:57:12 PM  
Well now.  Who mightst have urinated in their crumpets?
 
2022-06-01 12:57:46 PM  
I'm still shocked we had somebody in this thread all like "and replace the monarchy with WHAT exactly?"

lol

lmao
 
2022-06-01 12:58:13 PM  

SpectroBoy: The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.

Getting rid of them would be like the national zoo getting rid of the pandas.

"Step right up an gawk at the in-bred slack-jawed soap opera characters that think people look up to them! Behold their vapid gaze and receding chins. Marvel at their inability to function like normal humans or feel embarrassment!"

Getting rid of them would be the very end of the freak show era.


Given the tourism, does the royal family cost money or make money, for the country? I have no idea how this stuff works.
 
2022-06-01 12:58:30 PM  

greensunshine: Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?

Watery tarts handing out swords?


reported for misogyny!!
 
2022-06-01 12:59:47 PM  

heavymetal: Slaxl: I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are just pointless individuals. Yeah i'm sure that £25m spent on the celebrations is the exact amount needed to fix all our problems, if only it hadn't been wasted. Oh well, maybe next century we can scrimp and save enough to fix it one day.

I'm sure someone can come in and do the mathson how much they bring in in tourism and what not. And they do pay taxes, compared to how much they cost, civil list etc. And if we did abolish them would the properties the crown gives to government to earn income on to pay the civil list not have to be returned to them?

Just seems like a lot of faff with no real upside. Unless you're one of those people who believe the Queen can at any time bust into your home and start belting out "I want to break free" and you just have to sit there and take it or you get taken to the Tower.

There is always groups of self important people whose only way to add purpose to their life is to suck all the fun out of everyone else's life. In Britain they are called "anti-monarchists", in the United States they are called "Republicans".


The proper word for anti-monarchists is republicans (note the small R). A republic is any government that is not a monarchy, so when you read about republican sentments in the UK or Australia, they aren't talking about Ted Cruz.
 
2022-06-01 12:59:54 PM  

MattytheMouse: Commander Lysdexic: And replace our system of government with what, exactly?

A system that doesn't require a Queen to play elections? Like, it's not that hard to lmao


The Sovereign signs Acts of Parliament into Law.
The Armed Forces swear an oath to the Monarch.
The police arrest people on the authority of the Crown.
The Courts are convened under Royal authority.
etc.
Getting rid of the Monarchy isn't like getting rid of the Presidency, it's more like 'tear up the Constitution and start again'.
The entire basis of British government is that the Sovereign holds all the power, but has (by law and custom) delegated most of it to Parliament.
Britain does not have a founding document, save perhaps the Magna Carta, which is 800 years old and has mostly been replaced with more recent laws.
British government is all based upon a single absolute ruler delegating power and responsibilities to other people.
So, again, if you're going to rip out the bedrock of government, what's going to replace it?
 
2022-06-01 1:00:57 PM  

fruit flies like a banana: SpectroBoy: The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.

Getting rid of them would be like the national zoo getting rid of the pandas.

"Step right up an gawk at the in-bred slack-jawed soap opera characters that think people look up to them! Behold their vapid gaze and receding chins. Marvel at their inability to function like normal humans or feel embarrassment!"

Getting rid of them would be the very end of the freak show era.

Given the tourism, does the royal family cost money or make money, for the country? I have no idea how this stuff works.


They generate about 50 million pounds in revenue... So about $62 million freedom bucks.

Totally worth the monarchy if you ask me, lmao
 
2022-06-01 1:01:08 PM  

MattytheMouse: I'm still shocked we had somebody in this thread all like "and replace the monarchy with WHAT exactly?"

lol

lmao


So shocked in fact, you didn't have an answer.
 
2022-06-01 1:02:51 PM  
Conservatives definitely hate the monarchy, because it's that much harder to screw the country when there's a level-headed apolitical executive with some semblance of veto power and a conscience.
 
2022-06-01 1:03:15 PM  

abb3w: About six or seven thousand assassinations might do it.


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2022-06-01 1:04:25 PM  

BorgiaGinz: heavymetal: Slaxl: I'm no ardent monarchist but people complaining about the cost are just pointless individuals. Yeah i'm sure that £25m spent on the celebrations is the exact amount needed to fix all our problems, if only it hadn't been wasted. Oh well, maybe next century we can scrimp and save enough to fix it one day.

I'm sure someone can come in and do the mathson how much they bring in in tourism and what not. And they do pay taxes, compared to how much they cost, civil list etc. And if we did abolish them would the properties the crown gives to government to earn income on to pay the civil list not have to be returned to them?

Just seems like a lot of faff with no real upside. Unless you're one of those people who believe the Queen can at any time bust into your home and start belting out "I want to break free" and you just have to sit there and take it or you get taken to the Tower.

There is always groups of self important people whose only way to add purpose to their life is to suck all the fun out of everyone else's life. In Britain they are called "anti-monarchists", in the United States they are called "Republicans".

The proper word for anti-monarchists is republicans (note the small R). A republic is any government that is not a monarchy, so when you read about republican sentments in the UK or Australia, they aren't talking about Ted Cruz.


What about an oligarchy, or a theocracy? There are plenty of non-monarchies that aren't necessarily republics.
 
2022-06-01 1:04:46 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: MattytheMouse: I'm still shocked we had somebody in this thread all like "and replace the monarchy with WHAT exactly?"

lol

lmao

So shocked in fact, you didn't have an answer.


Because I thought the explanation should've been self-explanatory: you don't need a crown for people to swear authority to and carry out the law on behalf of.
 
2022-06-01 1:05:17 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Once again. Unless Britain wants to steal all the land and ownings from the family, the Royals...tourism aside...let England use and work all of that land own in exchange for a annual salary and the money that the government gets from the forests, ports, et al which THAT family still owns, is like 5 times as much as the salary that is paid to the Queen. The tourism of course also more than covers whatever the salary is for the Queen. You can get rid of the royals and lose all that revenue, or stage a coup and just eminent domain all of the land. OR...and here's the kicker. OR just take the huge amount of revenues and dress up the royals like clowns a few times a year for parades and shiat.


This.  The monarchy's existence is a non-issue at a time when the UK has too many real issues to deal with.  Speaking as a Canadian, I would not be happy with Canada turning its back on the Queen.  Her heirs?  Don't really much care.  If you want to give our governance a new label, fine.  Just don't be using that as an excuse to significantly alter the way it functions.
 
2022-06-01 1:05:27 PM  
I'd like to rip up our constitution and start over from scratch too, and for better reasons, but it's not going to happen any time soon. Is this any more realistic?
 
2022-06-01 1:05:35 PM  
Sounds good to me. Royalty, and the magic designated uterus, is a really stupid farking thing.
 
2022-06-01 1:06:59 PM  

MattytheMouse: I'm still shocked we had somebody in this thread all like "and replace the monarchy with WHAT exactly?"

lol

lmao


Trump.  Duh.

He and Boris could be the Dingy Duo.
 
2022-06-01 1:08:19 PM  

fruit flies like a banana: SpectroBoy: The "royalty" is a huge tourism revenue generator.

Getting rid of them would be like the national zoo getting rid of the pandas.

"Step right up an gawk at the in-bred slack-jawed soap opera characters that think people look up to them! Behold their vapid gaze and receding chins. Marvel at their inability to function like normal humans or feel embarrassment!"

Getting rid of them would be the very end of the freak show era.

Given the tourism, does the royal family cost money or make money, for the country? I have no idea how this stuff works.


If your tourism requires violence inherent in the system you might as well reinstate slavery and sell tickets to plantations.
 
2022-06-01 1:08:19 PM  

chewd: future monarchs are unlikely to be as effective at this as she has been.


I would dare say that her reign has presided over more societal change than any other monarch has experienced, or will ever experience after.

It's been a very consequential 70 years.
 
2022-06-01 1:08:41 PM  

abb3w: About six or seven thousand assassinations might do it.


My ex's father was supposedly a few thousand out via a relative who emigrated in the 1700s. Even the right last name. I saw the genealogy once. Your citation does not, however, list him.
 
2022-06-01 1:10:08 PM  
Do they still let Rupert into the UK?
 
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