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2022-05-30 2:54:05 PM  
I've never used Spotify, or any other streaming service.  I've always bought my albums, whether physical media or the downloadable flavour.  No data used, no relying on services that may go down or be slow to stream, and you don't lose your music if you unsubscribe.  I have hundreds of gigs of music collected over decades -- ripped from physical media or downloaded from iTunes or some other music service, and I curate what I put on my phone to listen to on the go.  And frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2022-05-30 2:59:41 PM  
Bandcamp, y0
 
2022-05-30 3:03:41 PM  
Same for movies, TV shows, etc.

It never fails to amaze me how many people trust Amazon, Apple, whoever to allow them to keep accessing property they've paid for.
 
2022-05-30 3:09:17 PM  
I really need to buy an external hard drive and plug it into my router.
 
2022-05-30 3:10:16 PM  
Cool thing happening with vinyl is getting lossless download codes with your record.
 
2022-05-30 3:10:29 PM  
I have about 8000 albums, lots dubbed to digital, 1000 ish CD's, all on the hard drive, Tons of DVD's and blue-rays and 4K movies and concerts.  Keeping them all until I die.  Best bargain right now is DVD's at thrift stores.  Tons of great old movies and TV show box sets for a buck or two.  Audio books too, but I throw them in the little pop up libraries in town after we listen to them.
 
2022-05-30 3:14:47 PM  

casey17: Same for movies, TV shows, etc.

It never fails to amaze me how many people trust Amazon, Apple, whoever to allow them to keep accessing property they've paid for.


It's not really a matter of trust for me -- if I'm "renting" a movie I'd be okay doing it with a movie rental streaming service, or paying for Netflix or whatever, because movies and TV shows aren't something I watch more than once very often.

But music -- that's a whole different thing.  My main problem here is that I have no interest in paying monthly for what is effectively a radio app, albeit a customizable one.  If I hear a song I like, or discover a band I like, I would much rather go and buy a single, or an album, and it be mine to keep and listen to whenever I want without having to through a service to listen to it -- a service that I guarantee I won't have forever, and one that will inevitably keep raising the prices over time.

Plus, streaming services pay artists an absolute pittance.  Sure, it's just another revenue stream for them, but I'd much rather support the artists I like a little bit more directly by buying the music itself, and not paying a service to listen to their music so they can get paid their $0.0033 to $0.0054 per stream (actual figure).
 
2022-05-30 3:28:00 PM  
Some of the artists on bandcamp - epic historic rock musicians - are uploading and selling their personal bootlegs.  I have been enjoying this set by The Saucers uploaded by Craig W Bell (the bassist of the pre-punk band Rocket from the Tombs).  I strongly recommend you check this out if you ever liked Cleveland scene rock and punk.  Unlimited downloads of any size well worth 8 dollars.

https://craigbell.bandcamp.com/album/saucers-live-rons-place-august-1-1980
 
2022-05-30 3:28:23 PM  
Got about 50k tracks in my library.  It's been growing for over 20 years now.  I just don't want to rely on what's available on streaming at any given time and I like having things completely portable on my terms.  I can just throw a good chunk of my library on my old iPod and play it in my car without having to worry about a network connection or anything.
 
2022-05-30 3:50:45 PM  
If I have it, I have it. Why keep paying for it? I'm still listening to CDs I ripped at max VBR that sound better than the 128bit crap people download today.

Service outages? Wazzat?
 
2022-05-30 3:58:42 PM  

gaslight: If I have it, I have it. Why keep paying for it? I'm still listening to CDs I ripped at max VBR that sound better than the 128bit crap people download today.

Service outages? Wazzat?


My library was partially built from Columbia House 10 CDs for a dollar or whatever those deals were back in the day.
 
2022-05-30 3:59:50 PM  
I have tens of thousands of MP3s, but on a hard drive that isn't even plugged in anymore. It got sacrificed to make room for another. And I haven't even replaced it with streaming, I just listen to audiobooks when driving around or getting on the tube.

I feel I might need a lawn and a stick to shake at young people who approach my lawn.
 
2022-05-30 4:01:18 PM  

Psychopusher: I've never used Spotify, or any other streaming service.  I've always bought my albums, whether physical media or the downloadable flavour.  No data used, no relying on services that may go down or be slow to stream, and you don't lose your music if you unsubscribe.  I have hundreds of gigs of music collected over decades -- ripped from physical media or downloaded from iTunes or some other music service, and I curate what I put on my phone to listen to on the go.  And frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.


casey17: Same for movies, TV shows, etc.

It never fails to amaze me how many people trust Amazon, Apple, whoever to allow them to keep accessing property they've paid for.


Both these things.
 
2022-05-30 4:05:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: gaslight: If I have it, I have it. Why keep paying for it? I'm still listening to CDs I ripped at max VBR that sound better than the 128bit crap people download today.

Service outages? Wazzat?

My library was partially built from Columbia House 10 CDs for a dollar or whatever those deals were back in the day.


I've told this story before but if you worked in an office building where there was a table that the mailman left mail that he didn't recognize the names of the may or may not have been quite a succession of packages of 10, 12, 13, whatever the number of the time was, records.  I think they finally caught on that Dick Hertz, etc, on 9W in Englewood Cliffs NJ wasn't going to pay for the records.  Still have 'em.  Or so they say.
 
2022-05-30 4:48:37 PM  
I wonder how long it will be before the RIAA will come after the collectors for "owed" royalties based some flimsy excuse?
 
2022-05-30 4:49:28 PM  
Plus, even the bulkiest computer or hard drive takes up considerably less space than a record player and stacks of vinyl. And while vinyl often sounds best on fully analog vintage equipment, a lossless digital audio file is essentially future-proof, theoretically able to take advantage of any subsequent improvements to digital playback technology.

This dinosaur likes his physical copies, even with backups, I don't trust hard drives.
 
2022-05-30 4:56:31 PM  
The legality of music never made any sense to me. Maybe that's just a weak excuse to justify piracy, but I also remember recording music off the radio.
 
2022-05-30 5:01:41 PM  

offacue: I have about 8000 albums, lots dubbed to digital, 1000 ish CD's, all on the hard drive, Tons of DVD's and blue-rays and 4K movies and concerts.  Keeping them all until I die.  Best bargain right now is DVD's at thrift stores.  Tons of great old movies and TV show box sets for a buck or two.  Audio books too, but I throw them in the little pop up libraries in town after we listen to them.


Another good source are the library auxiliary stores many places have.  People donate records, CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays in order to help the library along, who sell them for minimal prices, usually a buck or two apiece.  You can check them out before you buy them, but I haven't run into many problems.  Good for those albums and movies that you're on the fence about - "What the hell, it's only $2..."  Just got the complete TV run of Monty Python shows for $14  - 14 discs.  Granted, by the time you get through them all, it'll be some time before you watch them again, but it's a minimal investment.  Downside is that it's often similar taste, and you probably won't find any rarities, but there's sometimes a pleasant surprise.
 
2022-05-30 5:02:22 PM  
Bandcamp deplatforms shiat for no coherent reason.

Only physical media is real.
 
2022-05-30 5:08:01 PM  

Psychopusher: I've never used Spotify, or any other streaming service.  I've always bought my albums, whether physical media or the downloadable flavour.  No data used, no relying on services that may go down or be slow to stream, and you don't lose your music if you unsubscribe.  I have hundreds of gigs of music collected over decades -- ripped from physical media or downloaded from iTunes or some other music service, and I curate what I put on my phone to listen to on the go.  And frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.


Eh, it's 15 bucks a month so my wife and I can listen to pretty much any music we want to listen to, so for us streaming with Apple Music makes more sense than buying. It lets us check out a lot more new music than we otherwise would have. The Dolby Atmos remaster or Automatic for the People is pretty great with a pair of headphones.


Even for stuff we have previously purchased there is usually a new remastered 20th or 30th anniversary version on streaming that is better anyway.
 
2022-05-30 5:08:13 PM  
I get that having your own collection of high-quality music is better, but you don't have to worry about a network connection with streaming services and haven't had to for quite a while. You can just download the music to your phone and use it even when offline.
 
2022-05-30 5:14:55 PM  

ltnor: I really need to buy an external hard drive and plug it into my router.


You need a RAID5 NAS box on your network.
 
2022-05-30 5:15:15 PM  
Well first off, f*ck Spotify for what they do to musicians.

Secondly, only a complete fool would rely on external providers to store their own property.

I still have MP3's I stole fair and square back when Napster was fellating Lars Ulrich, AudioGalaxy was the best place to find alternative muzak, BearShare was breaking and releasing a new version every other f*cking day, Limewire, Gnucleus and Kazaa had just made it all stupidly redundant, and we used WinDAC, MP3Converter and Winplay3 to escape the tyranny that was the audio compact disc.

Oh yeh also, f*ck Spotify. Move to Tidal. Drew won't let me embed the link, so here it is: https://tidal.com
 
2022-05-30 5:15:48 PM  
Is this a story about digital music collections or about the perils of failing to properly backup your digital assets?

/has about 8000 songs on the media drive
//everything gets backed up to BD-R and eventually stored in a safety deposit box
 
2022-05-30 5:20:35 PM  

Dinjiin: Is this a story about digital music collections or about the perils of failing to properly backup your digital assets?

/has about 8000 songs on the media drive
//everything gets backed up to BD-R and eventually stored in a safety deposit box


I've digitized maybe 90% of my cassettes (precious) and maybe 20% of my LPs.  So far.  The backups ride in my car.  If the house burns down I at least have something left.
 
2022-05-30 5:24:18 PM  
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No ads on YouTube and Google Music. $9.99 a month.
No ads on YouTube worth every penny, Google Music is the icing on the cake.
Do whatever it is you do.
 
2022-05-30 5:26:42 PM  

casey17: Same for movies, TV shows, etc.

It never fails to amaze me how many people trust Amazon, Apple, whoever to allow them to keep accessing property they've paid for.


Look no further than Microsoft's ironically named "PlaysForSure" DRM platform, introduced in 2004 and discontinued in 2008., at which point MS said content would need to be burned to audio CD or you'd lose playback ability forever.
 
2022-05-30 5:26:52 PM  
It's refreshing to see so many people who haven't surrendered to renting music and movies we already own.  I do run Airsonic-Advanced so I can stream wherever we are and it works great.

I also have automated playlists that build every night, 80s, 90s, 3 Stars +, 4 Stars + and 5 Stars, etc.  We've got an FM transmitter too so we can put on a playlist and go work and just use radios around the house/barn to listen.

I do the same thing for music videos and TV shows, auto-generated playlist for sitcoms, Buddy/Cop shows, and then TBS-style blocks of mainly sitcoms and cop dramas if you just want to watch a bunch of Friends back to back or put on a playlist of MTV 120 Minutes or whatever.  With commercials, but you know, '80s and '90s commercials that I choose to have in the mix.

You do need to worry about backups though.  I currently have 16TB of storage in my home NAS (50% utilization), with another NAS off-site at a friend's house which is updated nightly with rsync in case the house burns down.
 
2022-05-30 5:26:55 PM  
Unless you hire live bands every time you want to listen to music, you're doing it wrong and should feel shame.
 
2022-05-30 5:29:18 PM  

casey17: Same for movies, TV shows, etc.

It never fails to amaze me how many people trust Amazon, Apple, whoever to allow them to keep accessing property they've paid for.


While ripping DVDs and Blu-Rays may be beyond mere mortals when it comes to digitizing one's video collection, it's not terribly difficult when you get the hang of it. Using one's GPU to compress the raw ripped optical media is also key since it takes an hours-long process down to maybe 15-30 minutes or so.

Then you use a Raspberry Pi or Chromebox as a media server with Plex or some other software and you're set.

/have my Plex server on an RPi 4b along with a lifetime Plex pass account so I can stream to my phone or computer from basically anywhere I get an internet signal
//unless the sata to usb converter fails and my media SSD becomes inaccessible, like it recently did
 
2022-05-30 5:31:33 PM  
Waaaaaaay ahead of you, Subby!

I have well over 1,000 tracks stored locally on an SD card in my phone, and 5 - 6 times that up on my NAS.
 
2022-05-30 5:38:13 PM  

offacue: NeoCortex42: gaslight: If I have it, I have it. Why keep paying for it? I'm still listening to CDs I ripped at max VBR that sound better than the 128bit crap people download today.

Service outages? Wazzat?

My library was partially built from Columbia House 10 CDs for a dollar or whatever those deals were back in the day.

I've told this story before but if you worked in an office building where there was a table that the mailman left mail that he didn't recognize the names of the may or may not have been quite a succession of packages of 10, 12, 13, whatever the number of the time was, records.  I think they finally caught on that Dick Hertz, etc, on 9W in Englewood Cliffs NJ wasn't going to pay for the records.  Still have 'em.  Or so they say.


But did they ever catch Gene Masseth?
 
2022-05-30 5:44:26 PM  
Okay, Boomer.
 
2022-05-30 5:46:24 PM  

CarnySaur: Okay, Boomer.


Ok, kid that loses his entire music collection when he drops his phone.
 
2022-05-30 5:47:54 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The legality of music never made any sense to me. Maybe that's just a weak excuse to justify piracy, but I also remember recording music off the radio.


What if every profession was the same?

Imagine if every carpenter who ever built a staircase got a tiny fraction of a penny for every step everyone ever took up and down it until it finally became a 'public domain' set of stairs.
 
2022-05-30 5:49:53 PM  

dionysusaur: ltnor: I really need to buy an external hard drive and plug it into my router.

You need a RAID5 NAS box on your network.


You both need at least 3-2-1.

3 copies
2 media formats
1 off site location.

That is the minimum safe level.  Anything less isnt even really backed up.
 
2022-05-30 5:52:05 PM  

NINEv2: offacue: NeoCortex42: gaslight: If I have it, I have it. Why keep paying for it? I'm still listening to CDs I ripped at max VBR that sound better than the 128bit crap people download today.

Service outages? Wazzat?

My library was partially built from Columbia House 10 CDs for a dollar or whatever those deals were back in the day.

I've told this story before but if you worked in an office building where there was a table that the mailman left mail that he didn't recognize the names of the may or may not have been quite a succession of packages of 10, 12, 13, whatever the number of the time was, records.  I think they finally caught on that Dick Hertz, etc, on 9W in Englewood Cliffs NJ wasn't going to pay for the records.  Still have 'em.  Or so they say.

But did they ever catch Gene Masseth?



Wow, I'm amazed that didn't get replaced by the fark text filter -- Drew has been sleeping on the job!
 
2022-05-30 5:57:31 PM  
Since we're sharing. I have about 1k cds (why yes, I was a teenager in the late 80s early 90s that loved punk/post punk/new wave etc why do you ask) several hundred cassettes, about 100 records
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Btw. Anyone have a suggestion for a good tape deck? I've got a very nice pro ject and stereo closet has huge box of excellent unused tapes
 
2022-05-30 6:05:45 PM  
Serious Post on Serious Thread:Btw. Anyone have a suggestion for a good tape deck? I've got a very nice project and stereo closet has huge box of excellent unused tapes

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/Tapes degrade over time, greatly accelerated by each and every playback. Even if you have unique content, digitizing it once is the smarter move, you can always hang on to the tapes in deep storage somewhere as a half-assed backup.
 
2022-05-30 6:12:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Psychopusher:

The Dolby Atmos remaster or Automatic for the People is pretty great with a pair of headphones.


Atmos downmixed to 2 channels is a weird gimmick. Play that mix on an Apple TV thru a home theater setup and you'll get the real effect, which IS fantastic.

/has the AFTP DVD-A
//no, not like that
 
2022-05-30 6:14:15 PM  

Excelsior: /Tapes degrade over time, greatly accelerated by each and every playback.


I have a tape in my tape deck that is going on 34 years some time this summer.
 
2022-05-30 6:28:10 PM  
I pay for Spotify, but everything I really need I eventually buy physically if possible.
 
2022-05-30 6:42:33 PM  
I happily stream. If like a song or album enough I buy it. I don't see why anyone's getting so holier-than-th- oh, Pitchfork.

Never mind, that tracks.
 
2022-05-30 6:45:14 PM  

scalpod: Fark_Guy_Rob: The legality of music never made any sense to me. Maybe that's just a weak excuse to justify piracy, but I also remember recording music off the radio.

What if every profession was the same?

Imagine if every carpenter who ever built a staircase got a tiny fraction of a penny for every step everyone ever took up and down it until it finally became a 'public domain' set of stairs.


I have no idea where you're trying to go with this terrible analogy.
 
2022-05-30 6:46:08 PM  

offacue: I have about 8000 albums, lots dubbed to digital, 1000 ish CD's, all on the hard drive, Tons of DVD's and blue-rays and 4K movies and concerts.  Keeping them all until I die.  Best bargain right now is DVD's at thrift stores.  Tons of great old movies and TV show box sets for a buck or two.  Audio books too, but I throw them in the little pop up libraries in town after we listen to them.


The problem is DVD rips look completely mediocre on 1080 and 4k televisions no matter how good your upscaler is.
 
2022-05-30 6:56:37 PM  
15,000 tracks of audio on a LaCie hard drive, 4 i-pods, Denon turntable (with built-in pre-amp) for the vinyl and running it thru a Peachtree Audio 1st gen Nova with Bose 301's I picked up cheap
get yer crappy Spotty-Fi outta here

I have some Yamaha & Denon AV recovers & a Yamaha dual cassette deck if anybody's looking for equipment
 
2022-05-30 7:03:32 PM  

Stephen_Falken: I still have MP3's I stole fair and square back when Napster was fellating Lars Ulrich, AudioGalaxy was the best place to find alternative muzak, BearShare was breaking and releasing a new version every other f*cking day, Limewire, Gnucleus and Kazaa had just made it all stupidly redundant, and we used WinDAC, MP3Converter and Winplay3 to escape the tyranny that was the audio compact disc.


AudioGalaxy was not the best place for alternative music.  That honor goes to Soulseek, which has outlasted them all.

apathy2673: No ads on YouTube worth every penny, Google Music is the icing on the cake.


I have no ads on YouTube and I don't pay a penny.  It's called uBlock Origin.

emonk: Ok, kid that loses his entire music collection when he drops his phone.


You do realize that serious digital music collectors have multiple backups of their collection, right?
 
2022-05-30 7:07:17 PM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: Excelsior: /Tapes degrade over time, greatly accelerated by each and every playback.

I have a tape in my tape deck that is going on 34 years some time this summer.


And it sounded better 34 years ago than it does today.

Your point?
 
2022-05-30 7:09:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Psychopusher: I've never used Spotify, or any other streaming service.  I've always bought my albums, whether physical media or the downloadable flavour.  No data used, no relying on services that may go down or be slow to stream, and you don't lose your music if you unsubscribe.  I have hundreds of gigs of music collected over decades -- ripped from physical media or downloaded from iTunes or some other music service, and I curate what I put on my phone to listen to on the go.  And frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Eh, it's 15 bucks a month so my wife and I can listen to pretty much any music we want to listen to, so for us streaming with Apple Music makes more sense than buying. It lets us check out a lot more new music than we otherwise would have. The Dolby Atmos remaster or Automatic for the People is pretty great with a pair of headphones.


Even for stuff we have previously purchased there is usually a new remastered 20th or 30th anniversary version on streaming that is better anyway.


I don't enjoy new remasters when I listen to them. They don't have the same feel as the recording I grew up listening to and I don't like it. No sir, I don't like it.
 
2022-05-30 7:13:22 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Well first off, f*ck Spotify for what they do to musicians.

Secondly, only a complete fool would rely on external providers to store their own property.

I still have MP3's I stole fair and square back when Napster was fellating Lars Ulrich, AudioGalaxy was the best place to find alternative muzak, BearShare was breaking and releasing a new version every other f*cking day, Limewire, Gnucleus and Kazaa had just made it all stupidly redundant, and we used WinDAC, MP3Converter and Winplay3 to escape the tyranny that was the audio compact disc.

Oh yeh also, f*ck Spotify. Move to Tidal. Drew won't let me embed the link, so here it is: https://tidal.com


I switched to Tidal. I appreciate that podcasts arent shoved at me like Spotify did (honestly, the car UI was why I left Spotify) but Tidal's recommendations arent very helpful. Mixes are fine but not deep and heavy on legacy artists.
 
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