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2022-05-28 10:38:13 AM  
Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.
 
2022-05-28 11:12:58 AM  
Seth is against pandering to the audience now?
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2022-05-28 1:53:28 PM  

bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.


They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.
 
2022-05-28 1:55:05 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.


Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.
 
2022-05-28 1:56:35 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.


Oh, so season three is not a direct continuation from season two? I don't remember if there was a cliffhanger or anything. Is there a summary of the comics anywhere?
 
2022-05-28 2:23:45 PM  
There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.
 
2022-05-28 2:26:31 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.


TBS was airing new American Dad for awhile, but their new CEO is going all in on reality dreck, b/c that's all he knows.
 
2022-05-28 2:34:35 PM  
Is it me or is the AVc writer a little butthurt for Fox Network?
Seth hasn't said anything that isn't true.
 
2022-05-28 2:37:20 PM  
No it doesn't.  Happens all the time.  A dozen releases a week on Netflix, for instance.
 
2022-05-28 2:37:48 PM  

hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.


Nooo! That's what happened to Norm! He was released and captured by a wild eagle.
 
2022-05-28 2:39:43 PM  
Buried lede ... he still has a show on Foxc and still does business with them.
 
2022-05-28 2:40:49 PM  
Got my jar of pickles ready for next week.
 
2022-05-28 2:45:45 PM  
Good. I was never going to watch Season 3 on Fox. Fox can eat sh*t, burn to the ground and die.

Now I can look forward to the show again.
 
2022-05-28 2:46:09 PM  

Trocadero: AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.

TBS was airing new American Dad for awhile, but their new CEO is going all in on reality dreck, b/c that's all he knows.


American Dad is still going.  The first 8 episodes of Season 19 aired earlier this year and it's already renewed for 20 and 21.
 
2022-05-28 2:50:15 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Buried lede ... he still has a show on Foxc and still does business with them.


It's hard to truly bury an element of a story when the entire article is only four paragraphs long.
 
2022-05-28 2:51:03 PM  

OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.


Everything is multi media marketing. Rowdy Roddy Piper wearing sunglasses out front should have told ya.
 
2022-05-28 2:52:39 PM  

OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.


not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.
 
2022-05-28 2:55:05 PM  

OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.


That's one way to look at it. Another is that there was a long delay between season 2 and season 3 - for a bunch of reasons - and a comic is something that can be put out in the meantime for some fans to enjoy during their wait.
 
2022-05-28 2:56:09 PM  

sephjnr: not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.


I can proudly say I've never gotten lost trying to follow an MCU movie.
 
2022-05-28 3:02:38 PM  

Mugato: sephjnr: not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.

I can proudly say I've never gotten lost trying to follow an MCU movie.


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"Wait, Wanda is a villain? I don't get it"
"You didn't watch her show?
 
2022-05-28 3:02:59 PM  

OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.


I want someone to release such a required comic book in a language other than English or Japanese and watch these awkward white fanboys lose their minds.
 
2022-05-28 3:04:03 PM  

12349876: Trocadero: AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.

TBS was airing new American Dad for awhile, but their new CEO is going all in on reality dreck, b/c that's all he knows.

American Dad is still going.  The first 8 episodes of Season 19 aired earlier this year and it's already renewed for 20 and 21.


American Dad has been getting weird, and I'm into it.
 
2022-05-28 3:06:09 PM  
I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.
 
2022-05-28 3:13:46 PM  

austerity101: OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.

I want someone to release such a required comic book in a language other than English or Japanese and watch these awkward white fanboys lose their minds.


Ugandan, maybe?
 
2022-05-28 3:19:12 PM  

Bslim: Is it me or is the AVc writer a little butthurt for Fox Network?
Seth hasn't said anything that isn't true.


It's the modern AV Club.  Butthurt and/or snarky is their natural state now.
 
2022-05-28 3:20:37 PM  

austerity101: OkieDookie: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, yay, more "Read the comic to get the story" multimedia marketing.

I want someone to release such a required comic book in a language other than English or Japanese and watch these awkward white fanboys lose their minds.


Weird racist take, but okay.
 
2022-05-28 3:21:23 PM  
Ishkur:

Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part

Thankfully, it's because Jenny Lumet has been keeping a steady hand on the wheel in the writers' room and kept Goldsman and Kurtzman at bay. Let's hope it stays that way, the surest way to tank it is to let any of thoae two jag-offs inject their suck.
 
2022-05-28 3:31:57 PM  
He knows he still makes Family Guy, right?  He voices half of the characters.
 
2022-05-28 3:34:39 PM  

austerity101: 12349876: Trocadero: AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.

TBS was airing new American Dad for awhile, but their new CEO is going all in on reality dreck, b/c that's all he knows.

American Dad is still going.  The first 8 episodes of Season 19 aired earlier this year and it's already renewed for 20 and 21.

American Dad has been getting weird, and I'm into it.


Once AD really adopted absurdist humor, that's when I really fell in love with the show.
 
2022-05-28 3:35:05 PM  

Oysterman: He knows he still makes Family Guy, right?  He voices half of the characters.


Family Guy is now owned by the Disney Corporation. The amount of f*cks McFarlane gives about Fox since that purchase fell to somewhere below zero.
 
2022-05-28 3:42:29 PM  

Bslim: Is it me or is the AVc writer a little butthurt for Fox Network?
Seth hasn't said anything that isn't true.


No I think the writer hits the nail on the head that McFarland's take is a bit odd considering that not only does he still have shows airing on that network but that all the tv he has ever produced got its start there.

Makes you wonder about those properties going forward if he's having issues there now.
 
2022-05-28 4:00:34 PM  

Bslim: Is it me or is the AVc writer a little butthurt for Fox Network?
Seth hasn't said anything that isn't true.


It's been common knowledge for awhile now that The Orville suffered through a lot of network meddling. Seth had always planned to play it straight but they kept elbowing him in the gut to make a Family Guy in space (Star Trek with dick jokes, he called it). If you watch the first season, you can tell the banter-style jokes were injected just to make the suits happy but that's not what he wanted.
 
2022-05-28 4:16:22 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.


Well remember that adult swim reruns were pretty much the only reason Family Guy got a second season and beyond in the first place and same with Futurama.
 
2022-05-28 4:19:27 PM  

Ishkur: I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.

I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?
 
2022-05-28 4:23:27 PM  

Mugato: sephjnr: not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.

I can proudly say I've never gotten lost trying to follow an MCU movie.


I think one would have to be willfully ignorant for that to happen.
 
2022-05-28 4:28:20 PM  

sephjnr: not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.


A bit of a tangent.

Take Doctor Who. The Fourth Doctor's Key to Time series and the Sixth Doctor's Trial of a Time Lord series rewarded viewers who watched every episode and would not mind paying attention to a long story arc. But it penalized viewers who watched the show only once in a while and would be lost if they tuned in during the middle of the story.

I picture the MCU + TV stuff to be something like that.
 
2022-05-28 4:35:00 PM  

COMALite J: Ishkur: I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.
I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?


It does, very much so. Judging from the responses on Fark, you won't be allowed to enjoy it.
 
2022-05-28 4:35:49 PM  

COMALite J: Ishkur: I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.
I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?


Oh, it gets worse. So. Much. Worse.
 
2022-05-28 4:36:35 PM  

COMALite J: Ishkur: I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.
I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?


Most people think the second season is better. I've liked it from the beginning.  It's not everyone's cup of tea.  But it is mine.

SNW has started off quite well, which is not typical of any Star Trek series.  It has one crucial sticking point with me, but I don't want to spoil it.  In any case, I still like it very much.

But again, I've liked Discovery and Picard so what do I know.
 
2022-05-28 4:38:17 PM  

Ishkur: Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.


What show have you been watching? This take is objectively incorrect, especially the "character drama" part. Trek has always been centered on the human experience (which greatly includes introspection and character drama) from episode fucking one "The Cage".
 
2022-05-28 4:52:27 PM  

Ishkur: I would say that The Orville is better Star Trek than Nu Star Trek, but I've been enjoying Strange New Worlds the last few weeks. They finally got it right and its the best series since 90s Golden Era Trek. Still has the occasional annoying "character with a traumatic past" bullshiat that Akiva Goldsman puts into farking everything, but I can overlook that and enjoy the storylines for the most part.

Trek is at its best when it does mysteries and solving problems. It is at its worst when it does character drama and introspective nonsense. Discovery is hot rancid feces precisely for this reason.


I've been largely liking ST:STW, but some things about it bug me.

On the good side it's actually more like an actual Star Trek show then any "Star Trek" show in recent years, and has been mystery of the week plots. I like that, big improvement. And it's an incredibly low bar to hit, but it's markedly less dumb than some other recent ST shows.

On the bad side, they're kinda sloppy and still dumb. Everything just magically does whatever they want it to from moment to moment in a universe which is apparently run on spunk. Like do they know what genes even are? Everything just seems to be a magic word to the writers, not a real world with physical principles that ever really constrain them. And the whole absofarkingly-lutely everybody has to have some sort of tragedy in their past and/or dark secret I find very, very boring. This isn't Harlan Ellison or Melinda Snodgrass level writing here, it's pretty hamfisted from every angle.

But all that said... a C- show is still a HUGE improvement over hard F's. Sure are looking forward to Orville though.
 
2022-05-28 4:57:35 PM  

Trocadero: AnotherBluesStringer: There's a reason only Fox was buying his shiat for a while.

TBS was airing new American Dad for awhile, but their new CEO is going all in on reality dreck, b/c that's all he knows.


I'd call it a lateral move.
 
2022-05-28 5:02:22 PM  

bostonguy: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, so season three is not a direct continuation from season two? I don't remember if there was a cliffhanger or anything. Is there a summary of the comics anywhere?


I haven't seen The Orville since season 1.
Am I to believe that they only did 2 seasons?  And the 3rd hasn't even been released?

How long has that show been around for?

btw:  I like the show just fine.  As uncomfortably weird as it is sometimes, it's actually some of the best science fiction out there.  I don't know why I didn't watch more of it.
 
2022-05-28 5:02:36 PM  

Bslim: Is it me or is the AVc writer a little butthurt for Fox Network?
Seth hasn't said anything that isn't true.


Agreed. Writer seemed annoyed. Noticed that right off.
 
2022-05-28 5:03:10 PM  

COMALite J: I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?


It gets worse -- with some good moments here and there -- but it doesn't nearly compare to the hot steaming rancid garbage that is Picard.
 
2022-05-28 5:05:12 PM  

Aezetyr: What show have you been watching? This take is objectively incorrect, especially the "character drama" part. Trek has always been centered on the human experience (which greatly includes introspection and character drama) from episode farking one "The Cage".


If that's all you got from The Cage, you missed the point completely.
 
2022-05-28 5:24:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Everything just magically does whatever they want it to from moment to moment in a universe which is apparently run on spunk. Like do they know what genes even are?


That's one of the things that annoy me about Nu Trek: Technology is treated like magic. Just say the correct buzz words and punch the right buttons and the problem is solved. The writers are obviously not sci-fi writers and it feels like their background is communications and journalism.

It would be like having an office drama where the characters solve their problems through corporate jargon:

"How are we gonna meet this months sales figures?"

"I got it!" **hammers away at keyboard** "If we synergize office solutions and furthergrade the systems network, we can multi-increase the web-to-office utilities database network, thus increasing sales by 37%!"

(or in the case of CSI: Creating a GUI interface using Visual Basic to track an IP address)

Granted TNG had its share of that too, especially in the latter seasons. There were a lot of scripts where Geordie or Data saved the day at the climax with dialogue that, in first draft, simply said [tech], for the tech writers to fill in later.

But I did appreciate in the last episode where Uhura and the Andorian were stuck in the cargo bay, and he was injured so she had to operate the console but didn't know how, so he had to walk her through it. She's already gifted in a lot of other areas, so I'm glad she didn't Mary Sue a solution. Being a cadet a lot of operations on the ship are going to be new and unfamiliar to her and the show is taking its time getting her acclimated to all of them. I mean, it at least shows that the writers are trying.
 
2022-05-28 5:35:27 PM  

durbnpoisn: bostonguy: hoodiowithtudio: bostonguy: Wow. The Orville. Feels like a lifetime has passed since the end of season two.

They release some comics that advise what happened between the seasons.

Oh, so season three is not a direct continuation from season two? I don't remember if there was a cliffhanger or anything. Is there a summary of the comics anywhere?

I haven't seen The Orville since season 1.
Am I to believe that they only did 2 seasons?  And the 3rd hasn't even been released?

How long has that show been around for?

btw:  I like the show just fine.  As uncomfortably weird as it is sometimes, it's actually some of the best science fiction out there.  I don't know why I didn't watch more of it.


The second season is much...star trekkier than the first.
 
2022-05-28 5:43:23 PM  

bostonguy: sephjnr: not unlike the MCU's 'Watch the TV show to get the movie' tactic.

A bit of a tangent.

Take Doctor Who. The Fourth Doctor's Key to Time series and the Sixth Doctor's Trial of a Time Lord series rewarded viewers who watched every episode and would not mind paying attention to a long story arc. But it penalized viewers who watched the show only once in a while and would be lost if they tuned in during the middle of the story.

I picture the MCU + TV stuff to be something like that.


Holy crap , you are a bigger Doctor Who fanperson than me. That's something. On topic , I haven't seen The Orville since halfway through season 1. I think that I might make an effort to watch some more.
 
2022-05-28 6:01:02 PM  
COMALite J:

I've only watched the first season of Discovery. I take it it never gets any better?

*siiigh* There's some glimmer of hope at the beginning of every season followed by into an immediate nosedive into shiateousness. They just aint gonna drop the center of the whole universe Burnham hole they've dugged forthe show. And that's the way they want it at the conceptual level. I think it wastes a whole cast of talented people.
 
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