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2022-05-27 4:46:03 PM  
Burner phone, chip in back of spare wallet.
 
2022-05-27 5:17:09 PM  
No. Do other things than fake security BS.
 
2022-05-27 5:23:42 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.


It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.
 
2022-05-27 5:25:29 PM  

Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.


Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country, none of that applies


Ive had American border guards search through my phone and laptop to make sure I wasn't planning on working down there beyond a few meetings. Afraid I'd take a white collar job away from an American I guess

Not ok with it but not a rights issue
 
2022-05-27 5:26:45 PM  
Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.
 
2022-05-27 5:32:19 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.


Do they cuddle after the cavity search?
 
2022-05-27 5:32:59 PM  
They have to make sure no terrorists are sneaking across their Southern border, or that Ted Cruz isn't being brought back.
 
2022-05-27 5:33:19 PM  

FnkyTwn: tedthebellhopp: Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.

Do they cuddle after the cavity search?


During.
 
2022-05-27 5:35:22 PM  

Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.


Are you sure US border personel don't do this routinely? It seems to me that Canada, is, in such matters, always playiing catch-up on border rules and regulations.

Lots of evidence online:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=border+search+computes+phones&t=osx&ia=web
 
2022-05-27 5:36:46 PM  

bluorangefyre: They have to make sure no terrorists are sneaking across their Southern border, or that Ted Cruz isn't being brought back.


If we ever decide to return Ted, it won't be an open-the-door-and-drive-away kimd of thing. Trebuchettes will be involved.

"Enjoy either Manitoba or Prince Edward's Island, Senator. This isn't an exact science. PULL!"
 
2022-05-27 5:38:18 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.


We've got a few bad eggs. Mostly ex-RCMP. You know you've pissed somebody off when they send you to the border. Mind you, most of the firearms used in crimes in Canadian cities come from the USA. I expect you can only cache a gun so many times before the police catch up with you.
 
2022-05-27 5:39:11 PM  
In their defense I'm sure American terrorist movements need to be tracked.
 
2022-05-27 5:43:11 PM  

montreal_medic: Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.

Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country, none of that applies


Ive had American border guards search through my phone and laptop to make sure I wasn't planning on working down there beyond a few meetings. Afraid I'd take a white collar job away from an American I guess

Not ok with it but not a rights issue


They are obliged to let Canadians into the country.
 
2022-05-27 5:43:31 PM  
Well! Guess I'll have to snuggle my LOLfolder into the country on a thumb drive hidden inside a fake molar.

Yes I have horse teeth. How did you know?
 
2022-05-27 5:44:07 PM  
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Sell them at the border, on our side*
 
2022-05-27 5:44:42 PM  
they got some dodgy neighbours though
 
2022-05-27 5:45:23 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.


Really? My experiences have been bimodal. Either professional and friendly, or super standoffish prick.
 
2022-05-27 5:45:34 PM  
See, America?  This is why we don't like you.  Your bullshiat inevitably spills over the border.
 
2022-05-27 5:55:43 PM  

montreal_medic: Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country


Countries are obligated to allow citizens to enter their country. Well, I mean, first world countries that aren't dictatorships have that sort of obligation. The USA cannot bar a US citizen from entry. Is Canada the same?
 
2022-05-27 6:00:10 PM  

mrmopar5287: montreal_medic: Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country

Countries are obligated to allow citizens to enter their country. Well, I mean, first world countries that aren't dictatorships have that sort of obligation. The USA cannot bar a US citizen from entry. Is Canada the same?


I meant non citizens... but canada definitely lets Canadians back
 
2022-05-27 6:02:52 PM  

Mikey1969: It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US.


The US can and does conduct warrantless searches at the border.
 
2022-05-27 6:05:29 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: bluorangefyre: They have to make sure no terrorists are sneaking across their Southern border, or that Ted Cruz isn't being brought back.

If we ever decide to return Ted, it won't be an open-the-door-and-drive-away kimd of thing. Trebuchettes will be involved.

"Enjoy either Manitoba or Prince Edward's Island, Senator. This isn't an exact science. PULL!"


If you absolutely must, feel free to aim for Northern Ontario.
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Just make sure to dress him in a speedo first.
Give him a tiny little bottle of Muskol to give him hope.
 
2022-05-27 6:07:03 PM  
Idunno. I'm an American and I'd be suspicious if Americans were entering my country.
 
2022-05-27 6:07:45 PM  

brantgoose: tedthebellhopp: Canadian Border guards have been about the nicest I've met in any country.

We've got a few bad eggs. Mostly ex-RCMP. You know you've pissed somebody off when they send you to the border. Mind you, most of the firearms used in crimes in Canadian cities come from the USA. I expect you can only cache a gun so many times before the police catch up with you.


Canadian border "guards" are also 98% just tax collectors. It was only rather recently that they were given guns and that was a minor scandal.
 
2022-05-27 6:10:35 PM  

fsbilly: Mikey1969: It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US.

The US can and does conduct warrantless searches at the border.


Ice Ice Baby...
 
2022-05-27 6:14:19 PM  

fsbilly: Mikey1969: It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US.

The US can and does conduct warrantless searches at the border.


They do it pretty much everywhere.
 
2022-05-27 6:14:36 PM  
That sounds downright American.
 
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2022-05-27 6:18:57 PM  
I thought they'd been doing this at the canada/us border for ages now.
 
2022-05-27 6:24:31 PM  

montreal_medic: Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.

Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country, none of that applies


Ive had American border guards search through my phone and laptop to make sure I wasn't planning on working down there beyond a few meetings. Afraid I'd take a white collar job away from an American I guess

Not ok with it but not a rights issue


Still your personal data. I mean, your logic could be used for any illegal search and seizure because there's no obligation to not stop you "just because".
 
2022-05-27 6:26:06 PM  

SirMadness: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: bluorangefyre: They have to make sure no terrorists are sneaking across their Southern border, or that Ted Cruz isn't being brought back.

If we ever decide to return Ted, it won't be an open-the-door-and-drive-away kimd of thing. Trebuchettes will be involved.

"Enjoy either Manitoba or Prince Edward's Island, Senator. This isn't an exact science. PULL!"

If you absolutely must, feel free to aim for Northern Ontario.
[palmettomosquitocontrol.com image 850x562]

Just make sure to dress him in a speedo first.
Give him a tiny little bottle of Muskol to give him hope.


Central Ontario is plenty north for mosquitos that thick.
 
2022-05-27 6:27:54 PM  

Mikey1969: montreal_medic: Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.

Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country, none of that applies


Ive had American border guards search through my phone and laptop to make sure I wasn't planning on working down there beyond a few meetings. Afraid I'd take a white collar job away from an American I guess

Not ok with it but not a rights issue

Still your personal data. I mean, your logic could be used for any illegal search and seizure because there's no obligation to not stop you "just because".


I suppose it could be a slippery slope but the right to travel within a territory isn't the same as the right to travel between countries
 
2022-05-27 6:28:13 PM  

mrmopar5287: montreal_medic: Because there is never an obligation to let someone into the country

Countries are obligated to allow citizens to enter their country. Well, I mean, first world countries that aren't dictatorships have that sort of obligation. The USA cannot bar a US citizen from entry. Is Canada the same?


With Canadians, yup. Americans not so much.
 
2022-05-27 6:34:58 PM  
Yeah this is about preventing white supremacist terrorists from entering Canada. This is where we are.
 
2022-05-27 6:36:55 PM  

SirMadness: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: bluorangefyre: They have to make sure no terrorists are sneaking across their Southern border, or that Ted Cruz isn't being brought back.

If we ever decide to return Ted, it won't be an open-the-door-and-drive-away kimd of thing. Trebuchettes will be involved.

"Enjoy either Manitoba or Prince Edward's Island, Senator. This isn't an exact science. PULL!"

If you absolutely must, feel free to aim for Northern Ontario.
[palmettomosquitocontrol.com image 850x562]

Just make sure to dress him in a speedo first.
Give him a tiny little bottle of Muskol to give him hope.


Cruel, and appropriate. And now I can't stop scratching my bites from last weekend after seeing that picture
 
2022-05-27 6:42:02 PM  

Dave The Slushy: Yeah this is about preventing white supremacist terrorists from entering Canada. This is where we are.


Really? Because the government itself doesn't say that. Even if it was the case I still think it's an overreach. The government should always receive pushback on shiat like this because the government never gives freedom back we just lose it inch by inch they are still checking our farking shoes for sticks of dynamite.
 
2022-05-27 6:48:25 PM  
Burner phone for travel, I guess.

I'm not letting some C+ high school loser use his insight and perception to decide whether or not he gets to troll thru my life
 
2022-05-27 6:51:04 PM  

RTOGUY: Dave The Slushy: Yeah this is about preventing white supremacist terrorists from entering Canada. This is where we are.

Really? Because the government itself doesn't say that. Even if it was the case I still think it's an overreach. The government should always receive pushback on shiat like this because the government never gives freedom back we just lose it inch by inch they are still checking our farking shoes for sticks of dynamite.


I'm sorry sir, this is a Tim Horton's.
 
2022-05-27 6:59:03 PM  
I've been crossing back and forth between Canada and the US multiple times per year for 65+ years, by air, water, and land.  The handful of times that we've been "tossed" it was totally understandable and something had raised serious questions. When one of our group answered, truthfully, that he didn't have a residence, we were directed into Secondary. Or the time that we crossed at the Soo with all of our worldly possessions in January.

Those, and the few times that we've items to declare/pay duty are the only occasions where the examinations have involved more than a few questions.

The digital revolution has added a few other twists.  When the CBP agent remarked that we were crossing later in the spring than usual, it was clear that they're keeping track.
 
2022-05-27 7:10:15 PM  
When traveling internationally i just reformat before i leave the us, and again when i get back.  Usage of any foriegn network is highly compromised, plus they can search your stuff.
 
2022-05-27 7:23:40 PM  

Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.


Patriot Act made it legal to do in the US. This stuff has been going on for almost 20 years now.

Not saying that makes it right, but the surprising thing is that people don't know.
 
2022-05-27 8:04:18 PM  

Mikey1969: Tr0mBoNe: No. Do other things than fake security BS.

It's not fake security, it's fishing for evidence when there isn't even knowledge of a crime or a potential crime. It's not security theater, it's illegal search and seizure, at least in the US. Canada might have a slightly different name for it.


LOL.
Where TF have you been?

US CBP has been doing this for YEARS. Despite the strenuous objection of the ACLU and dozens of other bodies, this became a post 9-11 reality forever ago. So much so that it changed the data management policy for just about any company that had it's employees traveling internationally. This was one of the big reasons there was a push for more cloud-only options but right into OS and browsers.

I don't disagree that you a reasonably person, it stretches or breaks the 4th amendment outright, but to state that it's "illegal" in the USA is staggeringly ignorant of history and current practice.
 
2022-05-27 8:06:03 PM  
*to a reasonable person, dammit
 
2022-05-27 8:10:41 PM  

Unsung_Hero: See, America?  This is why we don't like you.  Your bullshiat inevitably spills over the border.


You nurtured Ted Cruz. What comes out you wourde hole don't matter.
 
2022-05-27 8:29:50 PM  

Gough: I've been crossing back and forth between Canada and the US multiple times per year for 65+ years, by air, water, and land.  The handful of times that we've been "tossed" it was totally understandable and something had raised serious questions. When one of our group answered, truthfully, that he didn't have a residence, we were directed into Secondary. Or the time that we crossed at the Soo with all of our worldly possessions in January.

Those, and the few times that we've items to declare/pay duty are the only occasions where the examinations have involved more than a few questions.

The digital revolution has added a few other twists.  When the CBP agent remarked that we were crossing later in the spring than usual, it was clear that they're keeping track.


CBSA
 
2022-05-27 8:29:59 PM  
Is subby under the impression that this wasn't already happening?  "Just because" was the old standard.  Their attempt to tighten it up is fairly weak, but at least it's something.  Hopefully.

/had laptop searched at the border around 15 years ago
 
2022-05-27 8:39:03 PM  
Relax. They're just looking for pictures of Sophie getting dicked down by Idris Elba.
 
2022-05-27 8:44:02 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Relax. They're just looking for pictures of Sophie getting dicked down by Idris Elba.


a bit deep in the vault for that one.. well done.
 
2022-05-27 9:48:11 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Relax. They're just looking for pictures of Sophie getting dicked down by Idris Elba.


wait, what?

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2022-05-27 10:52:50 PM  

Gough: I've been crossing back and forth between Canada and the US multiple times per year for 65+ years, by air, water, and land.  The handful of times that we've been "tossed" it was totally understandable and something had raised serious questions. When one of our group answered, truthfully, that he didn't have a residence, we were directed into Secondary. Or the time that we crossed at the Soo with all of our worldly possessions in January.

Those, and the few times that we've items to declare/pay duty are the only occasions where the examinations have involved more than a few questions.

The digital revolution has added a few other twists.  When the CBP agent remarked that we were crossing later in the spring than usual, it was clear that they're keeping track.


I crossed into the US several years ago, with a hockey stick in my back seat in summer (I play ball hockey). The border guard made a comment about it and we joked around about starting up a game of road hockey... and then more than once since I've been asked about whether I still have a hockey stick in the back.
 
2022-05-27 11:02:43 PM  

RTOGUY: Dave The Slushy: Yeah this is about preventing white supremacist terrorists from entering Canada. This is where we are.

Really? Because the government itself doesn't say that. Even if it was the case I still think it's an overreach. The government should always receive pushback on shiat like this because the government never gives freedom back we just lose it inch by inch they are still checking our farking shoes for sticks of dynamite.


They're Canadians. They are too polite to say "you have too many farking white supremacists so now we have to check your phones". And unless you are Canadian, it's not your government over reaching. If you want in to their country, you jump through their hoops.
 
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