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2022-05-27 9:57:31 AM  
Need to train to take head shots like they do with rubber bullets during unarmed protests.
 
2022-05-27 10:09:35 AM  
When you're hiding behind your police cruiser, it's difficult to get your sights on the shooter that's rampaging through the building.  They cover that in training, along with covering your ass.
 
2022-05-27 12:09:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: When you're hiding behind your police cruiser, it's difficult to get your sights on the shooter that's rampaging through the building.  They cover that in training, along with covering your ass.


You forgot the squad debrief to get everyone's story straight.
 
2022-05-27 12:35:15 PM  
Because 6' walking labias can't grip guns properly to get a good shot.
 
2022-05-27 12:36:12 PM  
Because the Republicans and NRA are intent on ensuring that every single bad guy has 3.14159 guns with zero restrictions
 
2022-05-27 12:36:27 PM  
Because the Good Guys With A Gun always seem to be Cowards?
 
2022-05-27 12:36:36 PM  
FTFA: "We can't stop bad people from doing bad things," Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said on Fox News on Tuesday. "We can potentially arm and prepare and train teachers and other administrators to respond quickly. That, in my opinion, is the best answer."

I wanna shoot myself in the face just reading that.
 
2022-05-27 12:37:09 PM  
This is what defines these new generations.
The boomers had rock & roll & the summer of love... X'ers had grunge and disillusionment.
These kids have parkland and sandy hook.
They are the "school shooting generation"

When we're gone & they take over... they ARE going to repeal the 2nd amendment. If we continue at present course, that is 100% going to happen. If the 2nd amendment truly is important to America on a fundamental level, we have to stop these school shootings.
If you dont care about all that & just selfishly want to keep your bang-bang toys, then yeah keep opposing every single restriction.... 2A wont be repealed until after you're dead and gone, so it wont affect you personally, and I guess thats all that matters isnt it?

Ironic, the right-wingers stubborn refusal to allow any kind of gun regulation has basically guaranteed the eventual repeal of 2A.
 
2022-05-27 12:37:14 PM  
Because the good guys with guns are really bad guys with guns, and state retirement plans.
 
2022-05-27 12:37:29 PM  
When someone can walk into a building with hundreds of rounds of ammo, and a weapon that can deliver them in under a minute, the rest is commentary.
 
2022-05-27 12:37:36 PM  
Said bad guys having the protection of a major political party strangely not mentioned.
 
2022-05-27 12:37:57 PM  
At this point school shooters have been trained in where to hide and know the protocols around response, so they can be more efficient.
 
2022-05-27 12:38:54 PM  

the_rhino: 6' walking labias


I don't have that video but I'd certainly give it a watch.
 
2022-05-27 12:39:07 PM  
Because there really aren't any 'good' guys with guns.
 
2022-05-27 12:39:48 PM  
Because cops are awful and we keep giving them more money anyways?
 
2022-05-27 12:39:54 PM  
DNRTFA, but I'll point out that our culture sure does do its worst to create as many bad guys with guns as it can.

/Looking right at you, gunmaker with your "here's your man card" ads
 
2022-05-27 12:40:05 PM  
Allow the teachers to be armed. Give them qualified immunity. Post a 3' x 5' sign at the back of the classroom that reminds the teachers what to say"

"I THOUGHT IT WAS A GUN"
"I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE"
 
2022-05-27 12:40:39 PM  
"We can't stop bad people from doing bad things," Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said on Fox News on Tuesday. "We can potentially arm and prepare and train teachers and other administrators to respond quickly. That, in my opinion, is the best answer."

If they think training and arming teachers to do the job of law enforcement is the answer, then it's only fair that cops get proper training on how to teach a room full of kids math, science, history, and how to write a formal essay for 10 months a year.
 
2022-05-27 12:40:41 PM  
We know.

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2022-05-27 12:40:56 PM  
Cops are gonna use this body armor near-peer argument as an excuse to spend more money on guns they shouldn't have any to militarize more. It doesn't matter that it isn't true.
 
2022-05-27 12:41:13 PM  
the right wants to teachers to throw themselves at a gunman while praising the cowards outside just for showing up.
 
2022-05-27 12:41:14 PM  
I do not endorse the "good guy with a gun" narrative, finding it problematic and also just a poor mitigation strategy in general even if it were viable, but the recent incident is not a viable argument against it because no "good guys with guns" were anywhere near the scene.
 
2022-05-27 12:41:25 PM  

Zizzowop: Because there really aren't any 'good' guys with guns.


Nope, there are just murderers with guns and potential murderers with guns.
 
2022-05-27 12:42:15 PM  
Well you know the police are busy cracking skulls of unarmed protestors and stopping people from voting they don't have time for actual law enforcement they got badge bunnies to impress.
 
2022-05-27 12:42:26 PM  
I wonder how Republicans are gonna square their "fark public schools" agenda with their "let's arm all of the school teachers" plan?
 
2022-05-27 12:42:41 PM  
Why does this shooting hit harder than the others. Especially Joe & Irma Garcia.
 
2022-05-27 12:42:41 PM  
We need to start outfitting ourselves in military-grade Kevlar everywhere we go because the government is permitting people to outfit themselves with semi-automatic firearms everywhere they go. This is what happens in developed countries.
 
2022-05-27 12:42:46 PM  
we have a deeply entrenched idealism about an armed citizenry keeping tyranny in check.  its total fiction, but for many americans it is enshrined in their beliefs and identity.  the myth that the federal government wants to take away your freedoms has pressed a portion of our nation the manifest the exact type of gov't overreach they fantasize going to war against.

we will never be free of this plague of gun violence as long as this myth is perpetuated and believed by so many.
 
2022-05-27 12:42:49 PM  

chewd: When we're gone & they take over... they ARE going to repeal the 2nd amendment.


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2022-05-27 12:43:46 PM  
Body armor has been in general issue since the early 80s and we've just come out of a 20 year war? It's not some super secret squirrel thing anymore.
 
2022-05-27 12:43:53 PM  
Slate sure knows how to pick the journalistic doofuses.
 
2022-05-27 12:44:03 PM  
My friend in San Antonio posted this from her local paper.  Answers the question without Slate.
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2022-05-27 12:44:19 PM  
Because police are cowards.
 
2022-05-27 12:44:23 PM  

flypusher713: DNRTFA, but I'll point out that our culture sure does do its worst to create as many bad guys with guns as it can.

/Looking right at you, gunmaker with your "here's your man card" ads


Why don't you look at Hollywood while you're at it?

Especially hypocritical assholes like DeNiro that make movies loaded with guns (like Heat) then cry about guns.
 
2022-05-27 12:44:43 PM  

ChrisDe: Because the Good Guys With A Gun always seem to be Cowards?


Because the Good Guys EVERYONE With A Gun always seem to be Cowards.
 
2022-05-27 12:45:02 PM  

allthesametome: My friend in San Antonio posted this from her local paper.  Answers the question without Slate.
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Insult to f*cking injury.

Literally.
 
2022-05-27 12:45:03 PM  

the_rhino: Because 6' walking labias can't grip guns properly to get a good shot.


Maybe not in your dreams.
 
2022-05-27 12:45:11 PM  
This kid didn't need body armor when he had a friendly policeman holding the back door open for him.   That's what they call "engagement" in cop talk.
 
2022-05-27 12:46:13 PM  

Rucker10: Cops are gonna use this body armor near-peer argument as an excuse to spend more money on guns they shouldn't have any to militarize more. It doesn't matter that it isn't true.


Biden signed an EO the other day stripping their ability to get militarized stuff
 
2022-05-27 12:46:33 PM  
Because the police can't use hand grenades?

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2022-05-27 12:47:06 PM  

pxsteel: Rucker10: Cops are gonna use this body armor near-peer argument as an excuse to spend more money on guns they shouldn't have any to militarize more. It doesn't matter that it isn't true.

Biden signed an EO the other day stripping their ability to get militarized stuff


Not at the State or local level he didn't.
 
2022-05-27 12:47:16 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Because the Republicans and NRA are intent on ensuring that every single bad guy has 3.14159 guns with zero restrictions


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2022-05-27 12:47:28 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder how Republicans are gonna square their "fark public schools" agenda with their "let's arm all of the school teachers" plan?


"Arm the teachers" is part of the "fark the public schools" agenda
 
2022-05-27 12:48:27 PM  

whidbey: allthesametome: My friend in San Antonio posted this from her local paper.  Answers the question without Slate.
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Insult to f*cking injury.

Literally.


I have to ask. Was that deliberate do you think? That's not just tone deaf, that's Anne Frank level.
 
2022-05-27 12:48:41 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder how Republicans are gonna square their "fark public schools" agenda with their "let's arm all of the school teachers" plan?


If the school was following it's procedures and the door the shooter walked through was locked, like it is supposed to be.  The outcome would have been different.
 
2022-05-27 12:48:42 PM  
Certain states keep making it easier to buy guns and walk around with them. States borders aren't magical walls that keeps terrorists in those states. More gun access, more ability to wield them publicly, the more they get used.

It's not hard to understand.
 
2022-05-27 12:49:00 PM  
Until a mass shooting occurs AT an NRA rally ain't nothing going to change
 
2022-05-27 12:49:23 PM  

Dimensio: I do not endorse the "good guy with a gun" narrative, finding it problematic and also just a poor mitigation strategy in general even if it were viable, but the recent incident is not a viable argument against it because no "good guys with guns" were anywhere near the scene.


We just witnessed why "the good guy with a gun" is absolute horse shiat.
 
2022-05-27 12:49:31 PM  

jimpapa: Until a mass shooting occurs AT an NRA rally ain't nothing going to change


Interesting idea.
 
2022-05-27 12:50:39 PM  
Remember, the Buffalo 911 dispatcher was actually fired:

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Stand by and do nothing while people get murdered? Ain't nothing going to happen.
 
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