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2022-05-26 10:38:59 PM  
Wil's a mensch.  Child actors live in a fantasy world when they can't tell the difference.
 
2022-05-26 11:11:05 PM  
I love him and his wife Anne for being such wonderful people to emerge from difficult situations. I'm so happy they found each other.

I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there. It's the reason why I don't watch gay-for-pay pr0n actors.
 
2022-05-26 11:35:45 PM  
I believe him. And I hope he finds solace in the love his fans have for him. Wil is truly a dude
...
 
2022-05-27 2:40:06 AM  
I feel like his guest appearances on The Big Bang Theory were cathartic for him. I remember one episode where he was talking with Sheldon to help him with one thing or other -- and he talked about the personal difficulties that had come with playing Wesley.

One of the few bright points in an otherwise bad show (after the first few funny seasons).
 
2022-05-27 3:36:28 AM  

syrynxx: Wil's a mensch.  Child actors live in a fantasy world when they can't tell the difference.


I don't know what this means but I know all children do not understand the world until much later in life.
 
2022-05-27 4:27:58 AM  
Watching him as Gordy in Stand By Me he is good because he WAS Gordy already.
 
2022-05-27 4:45:38 AM  
Well now I am sad. I am glad it is being open about it. Wil and Britney is really showing another bad side of child performers lives.
 
2022-05-27 5:37:24 AM  

reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.


Add vocal toxic "fans" making jokes about throwing Wesley out of the airlock and it's a wonder Wil turned out as well adjusted as he did.
 
2022-05-27 6:48:52 AM  
I have nothing against Wil, but I won't pretend Wesley wasn't a horribly written, annoying character.  That's not Wil's fault, just as it's not my fault he was on that set.
 
2022-05-27 7:04:04 AM  

reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.


His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."
 
2022-05-27 7:35:33 AM  
Some 3rd class SciFi con ought to get the guy that played grown up Wesley as Guest of Honor and make him wear the outfit.

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2022-05-27 7:48:47 AM  

TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."


Wow. That's a great story. Now I like Frakes even more than I already did.
 
2022-05-27 7:54:58 AM  

TTFK: Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs.


I just watched the Riker-sitting-in-chairs video, and I can never NOT notice that again. Thanks.

Riker sits down
Youtube lVIGhYMwRgs
 
2022-05-27 7:57:00 AM  

August11: TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."

Wow. That's a great story. Now I like Frakes even more than I already did.


Be great if we could get the two together on Lower Decks, but not sure if Wheaton would be willing.
 
2022-05-27 8:11:17 AM  

syrynxx: Wil's a mensch.  Child actors live in a fantasy world when they can't tell the difference.


Does "mensch" mean "shill"? Seeing him promote the Picard series was disgusting.
 
2022-05-27 8:14:58 AM  

TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."


These days, an adult man asking a kid if they want to walk to a parking garage together would result in getting the police called.
 
2022-05-27 8:20:54 AM  
Cultists are creepy. Why are you a cultist subby?
 
2022-05-27 8:31:29 AM  
Wil's first few appearances on Big Bang depicted him as a jerk before he was "rehabilitated". I wonder if there was some breaking point when he got a script and said "fark no, I'm not doing that. That's not me." I would be interested in knowing what that breaking point was.

/Wil?
 
2022-05-27 8:36:00 AM  
I feel bad that things weren't as one would have liked.

But I also feel it must be pointed out that hardly anyone has the childhood they would have picked for themselves. Most of our parents weren't awesome, if we even had 2 of them.
 
2022-05-27 8:40:05 AM  

neongoats: But I also feel it must be pointed out that hardly anyone has the childhood they would have picked for themselves. Most of our parents weren't awesome, if we even had 2 of them.


A former coworker of mine (four kids) once told me that all parents mess up their children in one way or another. I presume he meant being too strict or too lenient or too one thing or another.

I just added that to my "nope, never having kids" pile of reasons.
 
2022-05-27 8:47:31 AM  

neongoats: I feel bad that things weren't as one would have liked.

But I also feel it must be pointed out that hardly anyone has the childhood they would have picked for themselves. Most of our parents weren't awesome, if we even had 2 of them.


Dude, there's a HUGE gulf between "I didn't get that bike I wanted for Christmas, and my dad was an asshole for telling me on Christmas morning that when I get a job and pay the bills, THEN I can buy my own damn bike, so stop crying," and the abusive shiat Wheaton describes here.
 
2022-05-27 8:54:27 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I have nothing against Wil, but I won't pretend Wesley wasn't a horribly written, annoying character.  That's not Wil's fault, just as it's not my fault he was on that set.


It's easy to forget, but that first season, everybody not named Picard or Data was horribly written.  Wesley just got the worst of the hate because his writing was particularly bad and child characters are easy targets.  Just look at his scenes in The Naked Now or Justice.  They're terrible.  No actor could pull those off without being obnoxious.

Once the overall writing on the show improved, he got more and better material to work with and it went well.  I loved his Academy entrance exam episode and the Red Squadron one.
 
2022-05-27 8:54:40 AM  

Darth Funjamin: Dude, there's a HUGE gulf between


Yes there is a huge gulf  between those 2 things. One of them is Wil's rough shiat and one of them is a white privilege strawman you invented.
 
2022-05-27 9:05:03 AM  

TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."


You cut if off before he got to the coolest part!

So we got to the garage, and it turned out that even though our call times were hours apart, we'd parked right next to each other, a few spaces up the ramp from our captain. Frakes pointed to Patrick's Jaguar. "You know he got that because the car you bought was slightly better than his, right?"
I had heard this around the set, and it was as hilarious as it was unbelievable. But it was true. In 1988, Patrick bought a pretty standard Honda Prelude, and I bought a ridiculously pimped out Honda Prelude si4WS. In TNG lore, it has become known as "Wil Wheaton's Slightly-Better-Than-Patrick Stewart's Prelude".
 
2022-05-27 9:08:20 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Be great if we could get the two together on Lower Decks, but not sure if Wheaton would be willing.


Apparently, two Trek productions were in a fight to get wil on their shows, and Picard won. Wouldn't be surpised if the other one was LD, and he'd go on it as well.
 
2022-05-27 9:15:34 AM  

TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."



Wait. Wil is a "Mode" fan?!  I take back every good thing I said about him!

I kid...Love Wil....even he is a Mode fan!

I know it may sound cheesy but I'm rather proud that Wil is a member of my generation.  He is one of the good ones for sure.
 
2022-05-27 9:24:53 AM  

KRSESQ: Wil's first few appearances on Big Bang depicted him as a jerk before he was "rehabilitated". I wonder if there was some breaking point when he got a script and said "fark no, I'm not doing that. That's not me." I would be interested in knowing what that breaking point was.

/Wil?


He played a jerk antagonist in The Guild a couple of years before BBT, but that was a web series with orders of magnitude less exposure.
 
2022-05-27 9:32:42 AM  

skyotter: KRSESQ: Wil's first few appearances on Big Bang depicted him as a jerk before he was "rehabilitated". I wonder if there was some breaking point when he got a script and said "fark no, I'm not doing that. That's not me." I would be interested in knowing what that breaking point was.

/Wil?

He played a jerk antagonist in The Guild a couple of years before BBT, but that was a web series with orders of magnitude less exposure.


On The Guild he was playing a character, not "himself."
 
2022-05-27 9:38:16 AM  

bostonguy: neongoats: But I also feel it must be pointed out that hardly anyone has the childhood they would have picked for themselves. Most of our parents weren't awesome, if we even had 2 of them.

A former coworker of mine (four kids) once told me that all parents mess up their children in one way or another. I presume he meant being too strict or too lenient or too one thing or another.

I just added that to my "nope, never having kids" pile of reasons.


My dad said something along these lines when I was old enough to have kids. As a parent you are going to make a lot of mistakes. You just hope that you do a good enough job and don't screw your kids up too much.

I got a lucky draw with mine and I hope have done right by my kids. I have plenty of friends that got the short end though.
 
2022-05-27 9:45:10 AM  
I really appreciate Will talking about this. I can relate to much of the toxic alcoholic verbally abusive gaslighting parental shiat w/out the child actor part. I'm about Will's age and I still have a bottomless well of sadness and anger that is always there just waiting to be tapped or to be dived into. Focusing on the positive and trying to find meaning in life is harder than I thought it would be especially with the climate craziness (being an atmospheric scientist/researcher is a fresh level of hell, knowledge isn't just power, it's torture). It's a never ending effort. Thanks Will for your candor, I've always appreciated getting a peek behind the scenes as it were, and as a (mostly) former homebrewer who has struggled with substance abuse... I suspect we wouldn't run out of things to talk about if we were stuck at an airport gate haha...

/this wholesome post brought to you by not being drunk
//I might be a bit high though
///maybe so maybe no
 
2022-05-27 10:26:59 AM  

NeoCortex42: Unsung_Hero: I have nothing against Wil, but I won't pretend Wesley wasn't a horribly written, annoying character.  That's not Wil's fault, just as it's not my fault he was on that set.

It's easy to forget, but that first season, everybody not named Picard or Data was horribly written.  Wesley just got the worst of the hate because his writing was particularly bad and child characters are easy targets.  Just look at his scenes in The Naked Now or Justice.  They're terrible.  No actor could pull those off without being obnoxious.

Once the overall writing on the show improved, he got more and better material to work with and it went well.  I loved his Academy entrance exam episode and the Red Squadron one.


But Wesley was never not horribly written. The very characters premise was stupid and shouldn't have existed. He was used as the boy wonder like we were watching Jimmy Neutron or something. Everyone else is doing some adult work thing and then a 14 year old basically fixes everything like magic.
 
2022-05-27 10:36:35 AM  

SMB2811: NeoCortex42: Unsung_Hero: I have nothing against Wil, but I won't pretend Wesley wasn't a horribly written, annoying character.  That's not Wil's fault, just as it's not my fault he was on that set.

It's easy to forget, but that first season, everybody not named Picard or Data was horribly written.  Wesley just got the worst of the hate because his writing was particularly bad and child characters are easy targets.  Just look at his scenes in The Naked Now or Justice.  They're terrible.  No actor could pull those off without being obnoxious.

Once the overall writing on the show improved, he got more and better material to work with and it went well.  I loved his Academy entrance exam episode and the Red Squadron one.

But Wesley was never not horribly written. The very characters premise was stupid and shouldn't have existed. He was used as the boy wonder like we were watching Jimmy Neutron or something. Everyone else is doing some adult work thing and then a 14 year old basically fixes everything like magic.


Once he got to his Academy stuff, and also his final mission with Picard, he was perfectly fine.  Damn near everybody else on the Enterprise was the best at what they do.  Other than being young, Wesley wasn't really that out of place.  Even Barclay was constantly portrayed as basically a super-genius that was only held back as much as he was because of his neuroses.
 
2022-05-27 10:39:08 AM  

SMB2811: NeoCortex42: Unsung_Hero: I have nothing against Wil, but I won't pretend Wesley wasn't a horribly written, annoying character.  That's not Wil's fault, just as it's not my fault he was on that set.

It's easy to forget, but that first season, everybody not named Picard or Data was horribly written.  Wesley just got the worst of the hate because his writing was particularly bad and child characters are easy targets.  Just look at his scenes in The Naked Now or Justice.  They're terrible.  No actor could pull those off without being obnoxious.

Once the overall writing on the show improved, he got more and better material to work with and it went well.  I loved his Academy entrance exam episode and the Red Squadron one.

But Wesley was never not horribly written. The very characters premise was stupid and shouldn't have existed. He was used as the boy wonder like we were watching Jimmy Neutron or something. Everyone else is doing some adult work thing and then a 14 year old basically fixes everything like magic.


Not to mention given his track record, the whole ship should have gone on red alert anytime Wesley had a science project due.
 
2022-05-27 11:42:19 AM  

SMB2811: But Wesley was never not horribly written.


There was a lot of terrible writing for all of them. A lot of it was the framework of the show to be a new episode every week and not have a season story arc. I used to think that the season arcs didn't happen until later on, but there were TV shows doing it at the time, so they just chose to be like TOS and ever week it was a separate story. But, and this is a big but, that doesn't mean you just jettison character development. Look at Inner Light, an entire episode where Picard lives a whole separate life, and it was only ever brought up once in later episodes.

I loved TNG and there are still episodes I enjoy rewatching, but in general the writing was fairly bad. And they almost always used Wesley as a crutch. His character was the personification of the transporter, or time travel, or any of the other crutches they leaned on over the years.
 
2022-05-27 11:57:14 AM  

WhackingDay: SMB2811: But Wesley was never not horribly written.

There was a lot of terrible writing for all of them. A lot of it was the framework of the show to be a new episode every week and not have a season story arc. I used to think that the season arcs didn't happen until later on, but there were TV shows doing it at the time, so they just chose to be like TOS and ever week it was a separate story. But, and this is a big but, that doesn't mean you just jettison character development. Look at Inner Light, an entire episode where Picard lives a whole separate life, and it was only ever brought up once in later episodes.

I loved TNG and there are still episodes I enjoy rewatching, but in general the writing was fairly bad. And they almost always used Wesley as a crutch. His character was the personification of the transporter, or time travel, or any of the other crutches they leaned on over the years.


At least TNG tried.  Also DS9.

After that they kind of gave up entirely... Though so far Strange New Worlds, though not perfect, is a huge improvement.

Though the last episode did have a black hole that magically unexpectedly sucked in a planet that was orbiting it... Apparently in the future humans can no longer predict orbital paths more than a few minutes into the future.  That was annoying.
 
2022-05-27 12:27:54 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Not to mention given his track record, the whole ship should have gone on red alert anytime Wesley had a science project due.


OMG SPOILERS
 
2022-05-27 12:33:41 PM  

pheelix: TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."

You cut if off before he got to the coolest part!

So we got to the garage, and it turned out that even though our call times were hours apart, we'd parked right next to each other, a few spaces up the ramp from our captain. Frakes pointed to Patrick's Jaguar. "You know he got that because the car you bought was slightly better than his, right?"
I had heard this around the set, and it was as hilarious as it was unbelievable. But it was true. In 1988, Patrick bought a pretty standard Honda Prelude, and I bought a ridiculously pimped out Honda Prelude si4WS. In TNG lore, it has become known as "Wil Wheaton's Slightly-Better-Than-Patrick Stewart's Prelude".


Oh man I wanted a Prelude so bad in the mid-to-late 80s. But I was a poor E-3 and all I could afford was a CRX.
 
2022-05-27 1:00:53 PM  

Vitamin_R: pheelix: TTFK: reyreyrey: I just feel a bit bad now watching TNG reruns knowing that he didn't want to be there.

His time on TNG was actually one of the best parts of his childhood, but not for the reason you think:

"When I was a kid on the Enterprise, I idolized Frakes. I wanted to be just like him. I wanted to do everything he did. I wanted to be as cool, as kind, as confident, as Frakes was. Because I looked up to him so much, so did Wesley Crusher. Like, Wesley does The Riker when he sits in chairs because I thought it was cool that Frakes did The Riker when he sat in chairs. Nobody ever asked me about it, but I was ready to defend that choice with my dying breath. Those times Wesley and Commander Riker were on some assignment together were my favorite, because it meant I got to spend my whole day with him at work.

Anyhow. One day, we wrapped at the same time and I just about plotzed when Frakes asked me if I wanted to walk to the parking garage together. Like just imagine. You're in high school and the coolest person you know, the person you IDOLIZE is just casually like, "hey, want to hang out?" I grabbed my backpack, made sure I had the keys to my car in my pocket, locked my dressing room behind me, and we walked across the back lot, to the garage, together.

I can't recall exactly what we talked about. It was probably stuff that happened at work that day, and I feel like he asked me about Depeche Mode, which was my absolute favorite band in the world at that time. What I remember like it just happened was how good he made me feel. Frakes made me feel seen. He made me feel valued, and loved, and worthy. I couldn't have articulated it at the time, but he made me feel the way a loving father makes his kids feel.

As you know, I did not have a loving father. I had a bully. And it sucked. So the time I got to spend with Frakes was like water to a captain who is dying in a cave on some asteroid or whatever."

You cut if off before he got to the coolest part!

So we got to the garage, and it turned out that even though our call times were hours apart, we'd parked right next to each other, a few spaces up the ramp from our captain. Frakes pointed to Patrick's Jaguar. "You know he got that because the car you bought was slightly better than his, right?"
I had heard this around the set, and it was as hilarious as it was unbelievable. But it was true. In 1988, Patrick bought a pretty standard Honda Prelude, and I bought a ridiculously pimped out Honda Prelude si4WS. In TNG lore, it has become known as "Wil Wheaton's Slightly-Better-Than-Patrick Stewart's Prelude".

Oh man I wanted a Prelude so bad in the mid-to-late 80s. But I was a poor E-3 and all I could afford was a CRX.


Those late-'80s Preludes were tight.Probably my favorite of that entire run. I wish Honda would bring those back, and not this stupid 4-door Civic rebadged as an Integra.
 
2022-05-27 1:05:04 PM  
Though I'm not entirely sure when which laws came into effect, these days a parent is required to be on set whenever their kid is, it's a full-time unpaid job for the parent if they aren't the kid's manager. It's almost impossible for a child star not to have a parent that probably coerced them to get them into it. Even if the kid wants to do it, they're now trapped by contracts and rules not to mention that they are the one earning the money in the family and transitioning to the parent working again isn't as simple as it seems.
 
2022-05-27 1:37:25 PM  

UberDave: I know it may sound cheesy but I'm rather proud that Wil is a member of my generation.  He is one of the good ones for sure.


A lot of what Wil has written about his childhood hits so close to home for me.  We are not that far off in age (I am 3 years younger), had the same kind of abusive family, was forced to do things because my parents wanted to relive their own past and dreams through me (in my case, it was sports; both my parents were college athletes).  When he writes about how he has come to terms with everything, I have found myself on the exact same path and thought processes.

For me, my "Frakes" was my high school homeroom/shop teacher.  Through all the childhood abuse (physical, emotional, and.... other types), parents divorce, teen homelessness, multiple major medical issues and even dropping out, he was always there for me.  I would stop by his house and just talk about life for hours, even with no advance notice.  He was the father to me that my own abusive sperm donor could not ever conceive of being.

Fast forward nearly 30 years and he spent it all at that one school, churning out a shiatload of damn good people.  I hear he finally retired after a longtime stint as trustee.

God Bless You, Mr. Cotton.  You were the single point of stability during the part of my life everything else was turning to shiat.
 
2022-05-27 1:41:37 PM  

radioactive-hamster: they're now trapped by contracts and rules not to mention that they are the one earning the money in the family


Thankfully the Coogan Act places some protections (in CA at least) so parents can't completely screw over their kids financially.
 
2022-05-27 1:46:53 PM  
I just don't read a lot these days like I used to. But i feel compelled to get his new book.

And I kind of feel like watching Toy Soldiers again.
 
2022-05-27 2:00:48 PM  
Another victim speaking "Their Truth".
Someone call Oprah and tell her we have another victim that needs to canonized into Herohood.
 
2022-05-27 2:13:06 PM  

Vitamin_R: Oh man I wanted a Prelude so bad in the mid-to-late 80s. But I was a poor E-3 and all I could afford was a CRX


LOL, same. Right down to the E-3 part.
 
2022-05-27 2:29:37 PM  
I read these stories and I kind of wonder if maybe I did end up with about the best parents possible.  Which isn't to say they didn't screw up, but I they didn't have kids in some attempt to fill a hole in their souls from being unable to love themselves.  Wil's mom sounds like a lot like a friend's mom who is just incapable of love and sees every relationship with people as transactional.  It's sad they really don't comprehend the damage they do.
 
2022-05-27 2:34:31 PM  

WhackingDay: Vitamin_R: Oh man I wanted a Prelude so bad in the mid-to-late 80s. But I was a poor E-3 and all I could afford was a CRX

LOL, same. Right down to the E-3 part.


I never drove an 80s Prelude, I drove a late 90s one and an 80s CRX.  I think the CRX was a better experience.  Quick, nimble and a driving experience only surpassed when I got my 2003 Mini Cooper S.   Having said that, the Prelude I drove was an automatic and the CRX was manual and I know that had to make a big difference.  Both Hondas belonged to my mother.  Mom had to give up driving stick shift due to arthritis.
 
2022-05-27 3:24:10 PM  
still no excuse for getting ~half the game rules wrong in any given episode of Table Top.
 
2022-05-27 3:57:16 PM  

tom baker's scarf: still no excuse for getting ~half the game rules wrong in any given episode of Table Top.


That just made it realistic to actually playing the games at home.
 
2022-05-27 4:10:23 PM  

tom baker's scarf: still no excuse for getting ~half the game rules wrong in any given episode of Table Top.


You said "TableTop" and I will use literally any excuse to post this, so here!
Cards Against Humanity: Aisha Tyler, Laina Morris, & Ali Spagnola Join Wil on TableTop S03E10
Youtube QCEqUn7If44
 
2022-05-27 4:12:30 PM  
I thought it said "Whedon and Jalad" and started having a pretty big WTF moment.
 
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