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(Euractiv)   Great news: Germany to send antiaircraft tanks to Ukraine. Not so great news: the ammunition for them is in short supply so delivery will not be until July. Good thing they're not required immediately or anything   (euractiv.com) divider line
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2022-05-26 9:15:20 AM  
To be fair,
The ukrainians seem to be pretty good at taking them down already...
 
2022-05-26 1:22:22 PM  
At the rate this war is going, they'll still need them in July.
 
2022-05-26 1:24:15 PM  
Way things have been going. Ukraine could just yell BRRRRRRTTT and the Russian jet would crash.
 
2022-05-26 1:24:29 PM  

Fireproof: At the rate this war is going, they'll still need them in July.


To shoot down paper airplanes?
 
2022-05-26 1:27:36 PM  
Can you tag them with a stinger without firing?  Russia would be out of chaff and flares by the weekend
 
2022-05-26 1:37:56 PM  
Russia has tanks but no fuel, so....
 
2022-05-26 1:39:01 PM  
For country begging for help Ukraine is getting to be quite a bunch of picky coonts.

"Let me put it like this: Let's ask a mother who is forced to sit in a basement with her newborn child who has no baby formula. ... How far from now is July for her?"

Nobody has to supply Ukraine with anything so they should be a little more grateful for what help they get. Ukraine is the country with a Russian infestation not Germany or the U.S or any of NATO.
 
2022-05-26 1:50:27 PM  
Okay, Subby. I'm not really blaming you because that was the language used in the article but fark me, "anti-aircraft tanks?"
 
2022-05-26 1:51:33 PM  

WoodyHayes: Okay, Subby. I'm not really blaming you because that was the language used in the article but fark me, "anti-aircraft tanks?"


Mobile armored AA platforms, specifically.
 
2022-05-26 1:54:35 PM  
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2022-05-26 1:55:36 PM  

cheeseaholic: Fireproof: At the rate this war is going, they'll still need them in July.

To shoot down paper airplanes?


AA guns are pretty good at mowing down unarmored ground targets, especially in mountain and urban combat, since the guns can angle up higher than a tank's guns.
 
2022-05-26 2:01:03 PM  

WoodyHayes: Okay, Subby. I'm not really blaming you because that was the language used in the article but fark me, "anti-aircraft tanks?"


It's an Leopard I tank chassis with a anti-aircraft gun turret. We'd call it something else, but it's not wrong.
 
2022-05-26 2:12:47 PM  
Wasn't Brazil or some other country offering to supply the ammo?

There have been numbers between 300k and 450k rounds mentioned, starting almost a month ago, but these things go through something like 1100 rounds per minute.

I have no idea what their maximum capacity is
 
2022-05-26 2:17:48 PM  

Oneiros: Wasn't Brazil or some other country offering to supply the ammo?

There have been numbers between 300k and 450k rounds mentioned, starting almost a month ago, but these things go through something like 1100 rounds per minute.

I have no idea what their maximum capacity is


320 rounds per gun, says Wikipedia. Think of this a as a Sergeant York that worked worth a shiat.
 
2022-05-26 2:21:58 PM  
It's the thought that counts.
 
2022-05-26 2:27:54 PM  

doctorguilty: Oneiros: Wasn't Brazil or some other country offering to supply the ammo?

There have been numbers between 300k and 450k rounds mentioned, starting almost a month ago, but these things go through something like 1100 rounds per minute.

I have no idea what their maximum capacity is

320 rounds per gun, says Wikipedia. Think of this a as a Sergeant York that worked worth a shiat.


And two guns, so 640 rounds.

Even if it's only 300k rounds from Brazil, that's over 460 tank loads worth, and Germany was only talking about 15 tanks last I heard.  (There were 50 discussed originally)

Either way, let's get these things loaded and rolling, as they could've been defending cities weeks ago.  They might've even made a difference at Azovstal if it had kept Russian aircraft away.
 
2022-05-26 2:28:43 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Can you tag them with a stinger without firing?  Russia would be out of chaff and flares by the weekend


I don't think you can, because Russian pilots are flying at low levels due to their lack of smart bombs.

The Syrian airforce did the same, which means the MANPAD can not aquire a target the jet is gone again.

It does have a mode, I have read, where it can fire blindly in the direction, and the missile will then attempt to aquire a target mid air.

Which would require ammo.

Those German AA tanks can aquire targets without ammunition.

So, the idea sounds good. And then one day, they suddenly do have ammunition.

Funny times when we're now cheering that Germany will be the 3rd largest army in the World.
 
2022-05-26 2:31:52 PM  

WoodyHayes: Okay, Subby. I'm not really blaming you because that was the language used in the article but fark me, "anti-aircraft tanks?"


Germany used the 88mm AA flak gun on their tanks during WW2.

So, it works?
 
2022-05-26 2:34:09 PM  
Germany has been real farking stick in the muds on Ukraine

I get the distinct impression they're playing both sides of the fence, because like idiots they decided to shut down their nuclear reactors and work towards becoming 100% reliant on Russian gas for energy

So they drag things out, provide no real support while doing the minimum they can to appear supportive of Ukraine while really all they really care about is keeping that Russian energy flowing

fark them
 
2022-05-26 2:58:08 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Harry Freakstorm: Can you tag them with a stinger without firing?  Russia would be out of chaff and flares by the weekend

I don't think you can, because Russian pilots are flying at low levels due to their lack of smart bombs.

The Syrian airforce did the same, which means the MANPAD can not aquire a target the jet is gone again.

It does have a mode, I have read, where it can fire blindly in the direction, and the missile will then attempt to aquire a target mid air.

Which would require ammo.

Those German AA tanks can aquire targets without ammunition.

So, the idea sounds good. And then one day, they suddenly do have ammunition.

Funny times when we're now cheering that Germany will be the 3rd largest army in the World.


I'm really curious about what the 20 to 30 years out effects of this war are.

It feels like a pretty major change and probably not a great one.
 
2022-05-26 3:01:28 PM  

WoodyHayes: Okay, Subby. I'm not really blaming you because that was the language used in the article but fark me, "anti-aircraft tanks?"


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2022-05-26 3:08:29 PM  

Iworkformsn: I'm really curious about what the 20 to 30 years out effects of this war are.

It feels like a pretty major change and probably not a great one.


I'm hoping that Ukraine will get an opportunity to rebuild and this have more modern infrastructure, like how a German and Japanese manufacturing improved dramatically compared to places like the US who didn't have to rebuild.

Beyond that?  No clue.  Hopefully kick Russia out of the UN Security Council, and have their nukes fall victim to accidental fires (or whatever else to render them inoperable)

Hopefully it'll get the world to wake up to  the issues of relying on certain countries for production of goods and the over-reliance on fossil fuels, but we're going to have to drag the US kicking and screaming on that one.
 
2022-05-26 3:34:41 PM  

RTOGUY: For country begging for help Ukraine is getting to be quite a bunch of picky coonts.

"Let me put it like this: Let's ask a mother who is forced to sit in a basement with her newborn child who has no baby formula. ... How far from now is July for her?"

Nobody has to supply Ukraine with anything so they should be a little more grateful for what help they get. Ukraine is the country with a Russian infestation not Germany or the U.S or any of NATO.


Like parents standing outside a school screaming at cops to go rescue their kids. The cops will get around to it eventually, but are the parents grateful? Nooooo.
 
2022-05-26 3:39:03 PM  
So tanks, but no tanks?
 
2022-05-26 3:46:17 PM  

jjorsett: RTOGUY: For country begging for help Ukraine is getting to be quite a bunch of picky coonts.

"Let me put it like this: Let's ask a mother who is forced to sit in a basement with her newborn child who has no baby formula. ... How far from now is July for her?"

Nobody has to supply Ukraine with anything so they should be a little more grateful for what help they get. Ukraine is the country with a Russian infestation not Germany or the U.S or any of NATO.

Like parents standing outside a school screaming at cops to go rescue their kids. The cops will get around to it eventually, but are the parents grateful? Nooooo.


The last time Germany rushed a bunch of military hardware into Ukraine everyone got all pissed off about it.
 
2022-05-26 3:55:58 PM  

Iworkformsn: Ketchuponsteak: Harry Freakstorm: Can you tag them with a stinger without firing?  Russia would be out of chaff and flares by the weekend

I don't think you can, because Russian pilots are flying at low levels due to their lack of smart bombs.

The Syrian airforce did the same, which means the MANPAD can not aquire a target the jet is gone again.

It does have a mode, I have read, where it can fire blindly in the direction, and the missile will then attempt to aquire a target mid air.

Which would require ammo.

Those German AA tanks can aquire targets without ammunition.

So, the idea sounds good. And then one day, they suddenly do have ammunition.

Funny times when we're now cheering that Germany will be the 3rd largest army in the World.

I'm really curious about what the 20 to 30 years out effects of this war are.

It feels like a pretty major change and probably not a great one.


I guess we'll see.

But yeah, like Trump complained about it European NATO partners not spending 2% of their BNP, and now they do.

Denmark is voting whether or not it'll join the EU mutual defence treaty. I don't know the result.

But, Trump and Putin made the 2% thing reality.
 
2022-05-26 4:30:30 PM  

Somaticasual: To be fair,
The ukrainians seem to be pretty good at taking them down already...


Ukrainians cheat.  They take out helicopters with Javelins.  Nobody likes cheaters.  Except for Ukrainians they're awesome.
 
2022-05-26 4:31:59 PM  
This war isn't going away any time soon.  Enhanced anti-aircraft capability in July?  Good!  Make announcements for August and September also.  Make sure the Russians know what they have to look forward to.
 
2022-05-26 10:06:42 PM  
dam those Putin-lovin Germans
 
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