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2022-05-26 6:25:39 AM  
Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.
 
2022-05-26 6:31:13 AM  
Don't you worry, subby, I'm way ahead of you. However:

TFA: Discovery has seemingly realized that it's not interested in anything with a script,

Dafuq does this have to do with JJ? It's obvious that man has never seen a script
 
2022-05-26 6:35:14 AM  
I was done with Jar Jar a long time ago, Subby. Preaching to the choir.
 
2022-05-26 6:49:57 AM  
I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.
 
2022-05-26 7:16:45 AM  

Andric: Don't you worry, subby, I'm way ahead of you. However:

TFA: Discovery has seemingly realized that it's not interested in anything with a script,

Dafuq does this have to do with JJ? It's obvious that man has never seen a script


Discovery's CEO is the one taking charge of WarnerDiscoHBOWhatever, and they've already axed any future scripted programming for TBS & TNT.
 
2022-05-26 8:05:17 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.


Speaking as someone who seems to hate everything involving JJ Abrams, I think they're just letting him make the wrong movies. He's got some kind of a technical knack for franchises, or they wouldn't let him keep trying, but his take on the characters and the mood and the themes are just off is what it is. There's always this droning awful frequency that comes across somehow, like an art film without the irony. I'd rather they give him Garfield, or Alvin and the Chipmunks, or Dennis the Menace, or something for young kids like that, and make him work with a budget until he's ready to figure out how to make things that are insightful and interesting.
 
2022-05-26 8:38:15 AM  
According to Deadline, Abrams is currently in talks with the faceless conglomerate about its needs for quicker, cheaper content to fill out its growing portfolio of lousy streaming services.

I might be going out on a limb here but it seems to me that the writer of TFA is just a tiny bit bitter.
 
2022-05-26 8:44:30 AM  

spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

Lost

was a convoluted mess which Abrams and company lied to everyone by claiming the show did have a direction.  The writers and creative people muddled around and threw spaghetti on the walls to see what would stick.   Abrams is nothing but a hack who cannot tell a story from start to finish.
 
2022-05-26 8:58:07 AM  

spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.


The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.
 
2022-05-26 8:59:05 AM  
He doesn't create media. He creates spectacle. He's a shiatty story teller and shiatty director who rips off Spielberg.

Get that incompetent ass hole out of movie and tv industry.
 
2022-05-26 9:08:14 AM  
Abrams is a competent director. But he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a script or story meeting at all.
 
2022-05-26 9:11:13 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.


To be fair, Lindelof did a marginally adequate job on the Watchmen series.
 
2022-05-26 9:12:29 AM  

browneye: According to Deadline, Abrams is currently in talks with the faceless conglomerate about its needs for quicker, cheaper content to fill out its growing portfolio of lousy streaming services.

I might be going out on a limb here but it seems to me that the writer of TFA is just a tiny bit bitter.


But accurate.
 
2022-05-26 9:12:49 AM  
Keep JJ making ONE movie, he should be allowed to make trilogies.  His first Star Wars and Star Trek were great, his sequels to both series were terrible.  I couldn't even finish Star Trek Beyond.
 
2022-05-26 9:18:32 AM  

spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.


Force Awakens only worked bc it introduced some fun new characters. Last Jedi then went on to turn Poe into an unlikable arse and Finn into pure comedy relief. For the sake of everyone's sanity I'm not even going to go into the pile of steaming awful that was Rise.
 
2022-05-26 9:23:37 AM  
Unfortunately he's permanently burned into our collective retinas.
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2022-05-26 9:42:06 AM  

stuhayes2010: Keep JJ making ONE movie, he should be allowed to make trilogies.  His first Star Wars and Star Trek were great, his sequels to both series were terrible.  I couldn't even finish Star Trek Beyond.


Beyond was still better than Into Darkness.  Can't say i cared for his first Star Wars movie, though.

/love Fringe, though.
 
2022-05-26 9:42:55 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: He doesn't create media. He creates spectacle. He's a shiatty story teller and shiatty director who rips off Spielberg.

Get that incompetent ass hole out of movie and tv industry.


Shaggy_C: Unfortunately he's permanently burned into our collective retinas.
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Both of these posts are EXACTLY why I hate JJ Abrams.
 
2022-05-26 10:35:19 AM  
Hate on Abrams or not (and you should), what really grabs me about the article is what Discovery is doing with their streaming. It's what we now know is clear about Netflix -- and part of the reason Netflix is having problems, although no one is understanding why, at least among their peers. We're seeing it with Disney+ with Marvel and Star Wars.

I fear that the future of streaming is bad to middling 'product' over anything else. Cheap, fast, disposable. Larger continuity or quality is not an expectation. Keep things going with spinoffs and other reuses of intellectual property. But instead of competing streaming platforms sharpening and honing good content, the point is just generating schlock.
 
2022-05-26 11:01:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.


I keep hearing this argument from people and it baffles me every time. What has JJ ever done that would make you believe it would have been fine?

The thrill of watching two directors/writers intentionally sabatoge each other is the lasting legacy of the sequels, and the only thing about them that will always remain entertaining.
 
2022-05-26 11:27:11 AM  
i liked Lost and the new Star Trek movie with Simon Pegg
 
2022-05-26 11:32:43 AM  

Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.

I keep hearing this argument from people and it baffles me every time. What has JJ ever done that would make you believe it would have been fine?

The thrill of watching two directors/writers intentionally sabatoge each other is the lasting legacy of the sequels, and the only thing about them that will always remain entertaining.


I think it would have been much better than what we got.  It's like, while the Prequels were a mess in various ways, they at least had a cohesive vision.  I think there's actually a lot of great ideas in the Prequels and it was just botched in the execution.  The Sequel Trilogy was a mess from start to finish because it didn't know what it wanted to be as a whole.
 
2022-05-26 11:45:28 AM  

NeoCortex42: Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.

I keep hearing this argument from people and it baffles me every time. What has JJ ever done that would make you believe it would have been fine?

The thrill of watching two directors/writers intentionally sabatoge each other is the lasting legacy of the sequels, and the only thing about them that will always remain entertaining.

I think it would have been much better than what we got.  It's like, while the Prequels were a mess in various ways, they at least had a cohesive vision.  I think there's actually a lot of great ideas in the Prequels and it was just botched in the execution.  The Sequel Trilogy was a mess from start to finish because it didn't know what it wanted to be as a whole.


Oh I totally agree with that. It should have all been planned from the beginning. It's hard to fathom that anyone ever thought trying to ad lib a Star Wars sequel trilogy was a good idea.

What I'm trying to say, however, is that I don't think JJ Abrams has the capacity for "cohesive vision" and I don't think giving him all three movies would have led to anything more satisfying. Another writer/director, yes. But not JJ. And I submit to you his entire filmography as Exhibit A.
 
2022-05-26 11:59:15 AM  

Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.

I keep hearing this argument from people and it baffles me every time. What has JJ ever done that would make you believe it would have been fine?

The thrill of watching two directors/writers intentionally sabatoge each other is the lasting legacy of the sequels, and the only thing about them that will always remain entertaining.

I think it would have been much better than what we got.  It's like, while the Prequels were a mess in various ways, they at least had a cohesive vision.  I think there's actually a lot of great ideas in the Prequels and it was just botched in the execution.  The Sequel Trilogy was a mess from start to finish because it didn't know what it wanted to be as a whole.

Oh I totally agree with that. It should have all been planned from the beginning. It's hard to fathom that anyone ever thought trying to ad lib a Star Wars sequel trilogy was a good idea.

What I'm trying to say, however, is that I don't think JJ Abrams has the capacity for "cohesive vision" and I don't think giving him all three movies would have led to anything more satisfying. Another writer/director, yes. But not JJ. And I submit to you his entire filmography as Ex ...


It's up to the execs in the end, in this case Kathleen Kennedy, to tell JJ (or whoever she picks from the start) to write up a complete trilogy outline.  Sure, stuff may shift from movie to movie as you get audience reactions or other outside happenstances, but even JJ could have done a decent job if he was forced to have a beginning, a middle, and an end before Day 1 of shooting.
 
2022-05-26 12:01:23 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Andric: Don't you worry, subby, I'm way ahead of you. However:

TFA: Discovery has seemingly realized that it's not interested in anything with a script,

Dafuq does this have to do with JJ? It's obvious that man has never seen a script

Discovery's CEO is the one taking charge of WarnerDiscoHBOWhatever, and they've already axed any future scripted programming for TBS & TNT.


Yeah, I guess if one wants to dance on JJ's grave I guess it's their right. But this isn't a good trend overall
 
2022-05-26 12:38:24 PM  
I liked Lost, Super 8 and the Force Awakens.

Although I was ok with the Trek reboots it was clear JJ Abrams was not a Star Trek fan and did not understand what made Star Trek Star Trek. They were fine action sci-fi movies that happen to have Star Trek sounding names, but they weren't "Star Trek"
 
2022-05-26 12:43:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: I will always defend Lost.


I prefer the second and third Matrix movies and think Highlander 2 is where the franchise really peaked. We should hang out.
 
2022-05-26 12:45:30 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

Force Awakens only worked bc it introduced some fun new characters. Last Jedi then went on to turn Poe into an unlikable arse and Finn into pure comedy relief. For the sake of everyone's sanity I'm not even going to go into the pile of steaming awful that was Rise.


That all comes down to Johnson looking at everything Force Awakens was setting up and saying "fark that shiat, I will do my own thing" and setting up his own shiat. And then when Abrams came back going "fark that shiat, I am doing what I wanted to do".

That isn't to say an all Abrams or all Johnson trilogy would have been good, but with them both throwing out the prior film and doing their own thing there was no hope regardless of who was making it.
 
2022-05-26 2:38:43 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: kryptoknightmare: I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.

To be fair, Lindelof did a marginally adequate job on the Watchmen series.


And people say a lot of good things about The Leftovers, but I bailed after the first season.
 
2022-05-26 3:06:55 PM  

buntz: I liked Lost, Super 8 and the Force Awakens.

Although I was ok with the Trek reboots it was clear JJ Abrams was not a Star Trek fan and did not understand what made Star Trek Star Trek. They were fine action sci-fi movies that happen to have Star Trek sounding names, but they weren't "Star Trek"


I will never forgive him for blowing up Vulcan in the first movie. Vulcan was the setting for a considerable cross section of Star Trek lore, both preceding and following the events of that movie. He blew it up as if it had no other use than as a flimsy pretense for some special effects fireworks, and some cheap, half-assed emotional drama that didn't really land. It was akin to someone deciding to blow up Tatooine in a movie that took place before the events of A New Hope, and did so just because they couldn't think of any better ideas.

/Oh, but it takes place in an "alternate timeline" so I guess that makes everything OK
 
2022-05-26 3:28:30 PM  

LurkerSupreme: /Oh, but it takes place in an "alternate timeline" so I guess that makes everything OK


Well, the dumbest thing about the entire movie was Nero went back in time before Romulus was destroyed, so instead of needlessly blowing up Vulcan and killing lots of people, he could have just saved his planet and wife and kids, with considerably more time than Spock clearly did originally!!!
 
2022-05-26 3:33:54 PM  
Okie doke
 
2022-05-26 3:45:43 PM  

buntz: LurkerSupreme: /Oh, but it takes place in an "alternate timeline" so I guess that makes everything OK

Well, the dumbest thing about the entire movie was Nero went back in time before Romulus was destroyed, so instead of needlessly blowing up Vulcan and killing lots of people, he could have just saved his planet and wife and kids, with considerably more time than Spock clearly did originally!!!


He also apparently decided to hang out in space jerking off for twenty something years after he arrived in the past and only decided to actually do anything when the plot decid-er, I mean when old Spock showed up. And his "mining vessel" (?) is a giant battleship with tons of disruptors and torpedoes to blow up enemy starships with. You know, for mining.
 
2022-05-26 4:03:31 PM  

kryptoknightmare: He also apparently decided to hang out in space jerking off for twenty something years after he arrived in the past and only decided to actually do anything when the plot decid-er, I mean when old Spock showed up. And his "mining vessel" (?) is a giant battleship with tons of disruptors and torpedoes to blow up enemy starships with. You know, for mining.


I know that I read as soon as he went back in time he was picked up by Klingons and sent to Rura Penthe for almost 20 years and those scenes were deleted.
In fact when Spock is explaining to young Kirk who Nero is, they show some of those scenes, it also shows how he had damage to his ear.
So I'm willing to accept that that is where he was for 20 years, even though they did not tell us that, but it still makes no sense that when he got out of prison that he still didn't go back to Romulus instead of waiting to punish Spock
 
2022-05-26 4:18:17 PM  

buntz: kryptoknightmare: He also apparently decided to hang out in space jerking off for twenty something years after he arrived in the past and only decided to actually do anything when the plot decid-er, I mean when old Spock showed up. And his "mining vessel" (?) is a giant battleship with tons of disruptors and torpedoes to blow up enemy starships with. You know, for mining.

I know that I read as soon as he went back in time he was picked up by Klingons and sent to Rura Penthe for almost 20 years and those scenes were deleted.
In fact when Spock is explaining to young Kirk who Nero is, they show some of those scenes, it also shows how he had damage to his ear.
So I'm willing to accept that that is where he was for 20 years, even though they did not tell us that, but it still makes no sense that when he got out of prison that he still didn't go back to Romulus instead of waiting to punish Spock


That makes no sense at all. His future ship was supposed to be an unstoppable superweapon compared to the ones of the past timeline he'd dropped into. If he was captured, either the Klingons would have gleefully commandeered his vessel and conquered the universe, or his crew would have laid waste to Rura Penthe and instantly busted him out. Are we supposed to believe he was so law-abiding, he told his crew it was a fair sentence, and just wait on him until he'd paid his debt to society? Or did he and his entire crew get arrested while on shore leave, and the giant Cthulhuface Monster Vessel just orbited on autopilot all that time, raising no suspicions and no one ever attempting to board it?

It's a better explanation to say he just laid low until Spock showed up, stealing streaming services and binge watching a bunch of crap.
 
2022-05-26 4:21:36 PM  

buntz: kryptoknightmare: He also apparently decided to hang out in space jerking off for twenty something years after he arrived in the past and only decided to actually do anything when the plot decid-er, I mean when old Spock showed up. And his "mining vessel" (?) is a giant battleship with tons of disruptors and torpedoes to blow up enemy starships with. You know, for mining.

I know that I read as soon as he went back in time he was picked up by Klingons and sent to Rura Penthe for almost 20 years and those scenes were deleted.
In fact when Spock is explaining to young Kirk who Nero is, they show some of those scenes, it also shows how he had damage to his ear.
So I'm willing to accept that that is where he was for 20 years, even though they did not tell us that, but it still makes no sense that when he got out of prison that he still didn't go back to Romulus instead of waiting to punish Spock.


And yet the most criticized aspect of the movie Star Trek after it's premier was the lens-flare.
 
2022-05-26 4:22:41 PM  

buntz: kryptoknightmare: He also apparently decided to hang out in space jerking off for twenty something years after he arrived in the past and only decided to actually do anything when the plot decid-er, I mean when old Spock showed up. And his "mining vessel" (?) is a giant battleship with tons of disruptors and torpedoes to blow up enemy starships with. You know, for mining.

I know that I read as soon as he went back in time he was picked up by Klingons and sent to Rura Penthe for almost 20 years and those scenes were deleted.
In fact when Spock is explaining to young Kirk who Nero is, they show some of those scenes, it also shows how he had damage to his ear.
So I'm willing to accept that that is where he was for 20 years, even though they did not tell us that, but it still makes no sense that when he got out of prison that he still didn't go back to Romulus instead of waiting to punish Spock


Uh huh. And how did the Klingons defeat their ship so they could capture them? And when they defeated them, why didn't they use or reverse engineer their ship to conquer the entire galaxy? And after twenty plus years, how did the Romulans get back to their ship and pick up where they left off?

Did the Klingons just dump an impossibly powerful Romulan battleship from the future in a parking lot outside the prison so they could hop in and fly off at their first chance of escape?
 
2022-05-26 4:25:26 PM  

browneye: And yet the most criticized aspect of the movie Star Trek after it's premier was the lens-flare.


Was it? I thought the most criticized aspect was how it played so fast and loose with the characterizations and setup. Angry Romulan Dude was a weak villain with dumb motivations, but we're used to that in genre movies.
 
2022-05-26 4:35:25 PM  

kryptoknightmare: Uh huh. And how did the Klingons defeat their ship so they could capture them? And when they defeated them, why didn't they use or reverse engineer their ship to conquer the entire galaxy? And after twenty plus years, how did the Romulans get back to their ship and pick up where they left off?

Did the Klingons just dump an impossibly powerful Romulan battleship from the future in a parking lot outside the prison so they could hop in and fly off at their first chance of escape?


Maybe that's why it was deleted?

You can Google it, I think they deleted scenes might even be on the DVD?

I'm not saying it's a good explanation, I'm just saying it's an explanation as to where he was for 20 years.
 
2022-05-26 4:46:46 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: He's a shiatty story teller and shiatty director who rips off Spielberg.


Thank you for reminding me of the pile of dogshiat that was Super 8.
 
2022-05-26 5:20:16 PM  

kryptoknightmare: Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat.


Try out Strange New Worlds. Somehow, it's a massive tonal shift back in the right direction.
 
2022-05-26 5:52:21 PM  

buntz: I'm not saying it's a good explanation, I'm just saying it's an explanation as to where he was for 20 years.


It's definitely not good. It's so dumb you can see why they decided no explanation was better than including that explanation.
 
2022-05-26 5:54:39 PM  

ceejayoz: kryptoknightmare: Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat.

Try out Strange New Worlds. Somehow, it's a massive tonal shift back in the right direction.


So far I've only seen the first two episodes of SNW but I have to admit I'm cautiously optimistic. It really comes across as if the writers are trying to make things right for the Star Trek fans who had issues with Discovery and Picard. As if they're saying "we've listened to your concerns, and we feel like you might have a point. Let's see if we can address our problems, and make a better show that you're more likely to enjoy."

I was a little less enthused about the 2nd episode, as there were a lot of elements that had a very "first season of Enterprise" feel to them. But I thought the pilot episode was great, and both were a lot closer to what Trek is supposed to be about than the dreck they've been giving us on Discovery.
 
2022-05-26 6:07:20 PM  

kryptoknightmare: I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.


All of ^this^ and more.
 
2022-05-26 6:46:55 PM  

NeoCortex42: Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: spiralscratch: Fine by me. The Force Awakens was fine, and Fringe probably succeeded only because he bailed shortly after the pilot (and the cast was awesome). Everything else? Bleh.

/ Rise Of Skywalker was a clusterfark.
// The Star Trek reboots movies were ass.
/// OK, I never saw Lost, but damn that looked like a mess.

The Sequel Trilogy was a mess because Disney tried to change direction mid-stream.  Twice.  If they had simply committed to JJ for the trilogy, it would have been fine.  If they had committed to Johnson's take, it would have possibly been great.

I will always defend Lost.  JJ bailed after the pilot, but I still really liked what the show did.  Not all of the reveals were what I wanted to see, but I think the whole series holds together really well.

I keep hearing this argument from people and it baffles me every time. What has JJ ever done that would make you believe it would have been fine?

The thrill of watching two directors/writers intentionally sabatoge each other is the lasting legacy of the sequels, and the only thing about them that will always remain entertaining.

I think it would have been much better than what we got.  It's like, while the Prequels were a mess in various ways, they at least had a cohesive vision.  I think there's actually a lot of great ideas in the Prequels and it was just botched in the execution.  The Sequel Trilogy was a mess from start to finish because it didn't know what it wanted to be as a whole.


They're a mess from start to finish because the people behind them went full SJW and are more interested in vandalizing Lucas' heros than writing new ones.

It's exactly what happened to Trek once Kurtzman's gang got a hold of it.
 
2022-05-26 7:01:40 PM  
I don't know, I kind of enjoyed Alias.
 
2022-05-26 9:07:45 PM  
Jar Jar Abrams isn't a director or writer.  He's a fanboy who uses actors as his own personal action figures.
 
2022-05-26 9:13:38 PM  

covfefe: kryptoknightmare: I'm so happy the pendulum had swung so hard on this hack. I've been yelling into the wind about him and his talentless cronies Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman since they took their brand of "pretentious Michael Bay" and smeared it all over Star Trek in 2009. Star Trek has been utterly corrupted ever since, seeming incapable of turning out anything that isn't complete shiat. Then they gave him the keys to Star Wars, and somehow, to my utter shock and disbelief, made a trilogy of movies worse than the prequels. These shiatheads are cultural vandals.

Speaking as someone who seems to hate everything involving JJ Abrams, I think they're just letting him make the wrong movies. He's got some kind of a technical knack for franchises, or they wouldn't let him keep trying, but his take on the characters and the mood and the themes are just off is what it is. There's always this droning awful frequency that comes across somehow, like an art film without the irony. I'd rather they give him Garfield, or Alvin and the Chipmunks, or Dennis the Menace, or something for young kids like that, and make him work with a budget until he's ready to figure out how to make things that are insightful and interesting.


He doesn't have a knack for franchises.  Franchises are already popular and have a built in fan base from the start.  They'll buy it because it's the latest installment of their beloved franchise.  Many of them will keep coming back just hoping for it to get better.

He only knows one kind of plot device - tease someone by saying it's not what you think it is.
Then reveal it's what you think it is.
 
2022-05-26 9:20:10 PM  

Saturn5: Jar Jar Abrams isn't a director or writer.  He's a fanboy who uses actors as his own personal action figures.


He's also a fanboy who only understands the surface gloss of popular franchises and doesn't grasp any of the substance. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of storyboarding his Star Wars and Star Trek movies, he just collected a bunch of online memes and strung them together in a semblance of a plot.
 
2022-05-26 9:23:53 PM  

EdgeRunner: Saturn5: Jar Jar Abrams isn't a director or writer.  He's a fanboy who uses actors as his own personal action figures.

He's also a fanboy who only understands the surface gloss of popular franchises and doesn't grasp any of the substance. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of storyboarding his Star Wars and Star Trek movies, he just collected a bunch of online memes and strung them together in a semblance of a plot.


I don't know if he used memes to create his "films" but you could easily replace them with memes.
 
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